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i will try to post the link later. Here are a couple of things that were said:

Doc knows CP3 and DJ get along. Not all the time, because nobody does all the time.
Doc doesn't think being the president, coach, and GM is too much.
He acknowledged that the bench wasn't good enough and as the GM that was his fault.
Really hopes Austin will be back.
Compared the clips to the warriors and said its hard because the clippers have 2 (soon to be 3) max players and the warriors have 0.

Doc said jamal is under contract and right now, he will be back.

kylem4711 wrote:Doc said jamal is under contract and right now, he will be back.

FML

kylem4711 wrote:i will try to post the link later. Here are a couple of things that were said:

Doc knows CP3 and DJ get along. Not all the time, because nobody does all the time.
Doc doesn't think being the president, coach, and GM is too much.
He acknowledged that the bench wasn't good enough and as the GM that was his fault.
Really hopes Austin will be back.
Compared the clips to the warriors and said its hard because the clippers have 2 (soon to be 3) max players and the warriors have 0.

wow. this fking guy.

he doesn't think having all that power is too much but then says it was his fault as the GM?

then he basically goes on to blame the clips being maxed out as to why they couldn't be where the warriors are?

holy christ this guy is incredible. he's either the biggest con artist in the NBA or just plain stupid.

Here's the interview in all of its glory...

http://kfwbam.com/2015/05/28/lac-coach- ... ggin-show/

Terrible.. He tried to use the Darren Collison issue to deflect the heat he's getting as the GM. Fred Roggins basically kissed his azz. What about his terrible drafting, giving up a 1st rounder with the Jared Dudley deal and why didn't he ask for Kris Middleton in return, why did he say Hawes was out of shape but yet Big Baby gets a pass for being overweight, letting Cunningham and Joe Ingles go, not playing CJ Wilcox or Hamilton, his fatuation with old washed up players, etc... terrible terrible terrible interview

listened to him talk again, and I am insulted that Doc thinks the average clipper fan has the IQ of an average Flakers fan. we understand salary cap, we understand the hard cap, and we understand how MLE and MMLE's work. Doc and this asslicker talks like we are a bunch of high school dropouts donning purple and piss chanting 16 over and over. now that the season has come to an end and I had some time to think logically where and how things went wrong, and knowing Doc isn't likely to be fired right now, I think it is for the best if Steve Ballmer throws money at the problem and bring in guys like Thibs as Doc's assistant, and a real GM type (pun intended) as an assistant GM under doc while firing doc's lackeys. at least surround doc with high quality individuals to help, and if Doc is fired at some point, to step in and take over.

He acknowledged that the bench wasn't good enough and as the GM that was his fault.
Really hopes Austin will be back.

Do we seriously have to wait for Jamal to retire before we can win a championship?

LACtdom wrote:Do we seriously have to wait for Jamal to retire before we can win a championship?

I don't think so.

that is because A) Jamal will surely play past his clipper contract and deep into his late 30s and B) Jamal is an expiring this upcoming season and he is our #1 most likely trade asset by the dead line.

either way, I hope we win before he retires, with or without him.

i don't know if crawford is trying to get paid or not, but i am certain doc would absolutely bring back this virus of a player if it were cheap.

Hey, look, the Cavs are winning with DEFENSE, lesson Clippers front office takes from this is "we need more shot creators". You see, even if the Cavs lose the series, the message is still there, defense, defense, not just offense, you need both, and the more defense you can play, the less pressure on your offense and shooters each game. Chris Paul and Blake Griffin is enough shot creating in your starting lineup to win your playoff series if you can consistently defend.

Jamal Crawford has no value to this team, and especially at his age. The team forcing more offensive creating on CP and Blake, but substituting Jamal's shot creation with a more defensive player would give more benefits, especially considering that Jamal's playoff offense so far sucks anyways.

I like the guy as a person, but I can't stomach him getting significant minutes on this team anymore.

LACtdom wrote:Do we seriously have to wait for Jamal to retire before we can win a championship?

No, we have to wait for Doc to retire before we can win a championship.

Neddy wrote:listened to him talk again, and I am insulted that Doc thinks the average clipper fan has the IQ of an average Flakers fan.

The irony is that Doc's GM moves show that he has the IQ of an average Laker fan. GM Doc is the perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect. He smugly talks down to the fans about a job that he is terrible at.

Next season is gonna be hard to stomach. I haven't been able to watch any basketball since we got sent home, but I'm slowly getting back to it in the Finals. Next season though, it's gonna be hard knowing we have no chance to do any serious damage, and no prospects of improving any time soon. Worse than that, Doc seems to be more worried about scrambling to wash his image like a cheap politician, than doing something useful to straighten the situation. Not the he'd be able to, with his "skills" and the situation he's left us in. It's not about needing to add defense, or adding ball handlers, or any of that anymore. We have no means to add anything meaningful, and we will not for a while.

In previous times, I'd be more than happy about making the post season and give some fight during a round or two, but the thing right now is the Clippers are declining and are gonna be for a few years, don't see anything happening that can change that.

Another thing, this is starting to be on Ballmer too. He knows how bad Doc has done so far, if he's content with treading water, he's part of the problem too. I'm not even pissed, I think I'm just accepting how things are gonna be from now on.

QRich3 wrote:Next season is gonna be hard to stomach. I haven't been able to watch any basketball since we got sent home, but I'm slowly getting back to it in the Finals. Next season though, it's gonna be hard knowing we have no chance to do any serious damage, and no prospects of improving any time soon. Worse than that, Doc seems to be more worried about scrambling to wash his image like a cheap politician, than doing something useful to straighten the situation. Not the he'd be able to, with his "skills" and the situation he's left us in. It's not about needing to add defense, or adding ball handlers, or any of that anymore. We have no means to add anything meaningful, and we will not for a while.

In previous times, I'd be more than happy about making the post season and give some fight during a round or two, but the thing right now is the Clippers are declining and are gonna be for a few years, don't see anything happening that can change that.

Another thing, this is starting to be on Ballmer too. He knows how bad Doc has done so far, if he's content with treading water, he's part of the problem too. I'm not even pissed, I think I'm just accepting how things are gonna be from now on.

Agree. And it's not just next season, it's the season after that, too. We have no prospects, no cap space, no draft, no fking hope. And it makes me SO MAD. I kind of just wish we could rent our players out for the next two years in exchange for some high draft picks or something so we can roll it all back up and try again 3 years from now. The only shot we have is if blake plays like 3.0 blake for the entire course of the season (and turns it up another notch in the playoffs), and if we somehow sign 2-3-ish guys on the minimum who were just scrubs waiting to turn into khris middleton the entire time. But what are the chances of that happening? Especially with doc who has zero eye for talent or development? It's not going to. That makes me almost as mad as his political self-cleansing.

I also agree. It's starting to be on ballmer. But there's no end in sight, given how fast he was to give him a contract and all that power. And even if he cuts bait on doc (which he won't), we're still screwed by the mess that doc rivers left. AND we'd have no coach (though it'd be perfect time to pick up tom thibodeau). Just thinking about all this is too depressing.

I keep thinking about how this core might not ever win anything, and all because of doc. I keep thinking how we might have to wait for another 10, 15, 20 years to have a core this good again, with a true championship window. It's just too crappy. What else can we do, though?


Whatever, just move on i guess. Also, the season would be mildly salvaged for me if GS loses (LOL), but then i'd just end up being pissed again cause i know that this clippers team would've run roughshod all over cleveland. Then i'd be even more pissed cause cleveland would be near invincible next year at full strength. Goodbye, window.

Yeah, I mean I was always ok with the prospect of never winning it all eventually, winning a championship is a really hard thing to do and very few teams get to do it. I just wanted to at least be in the mix for a few years, start a few seasons with a shot at doing it, you never know what can happen in the post season if the right factors go your way. That at least was a no brainer with Blake and Paul signed to long contracts and DJ arising. It took very thorough incompetence to destroy all that.

Even if, like you say, Blake makes another big step up and turns into peak Shaq or something like that, there is nothing around him to be able to do something big. Barnes is 35 and you can't ask him for another season like this one, he's gonna decline pretty steeply and you can't reasonably ask him for anything more than that. And he's one of our 5 NBA level players, you can't get through a whole season with only 4 NBA level players.

nickhx2 wrote:

QRich3 wrote:Next season is gonna be hard to stomach. I haven't been able to watch any basketball since we got sent home, but I'm slowly getting back to it in the Finals. Next season though, it's gonna be hard knowing we have no chance to do any serious damage, and no prospects of improving any time soon. Worse than that, Doc seems to be more worried about scrambling to wash his image like a cheap politician, than doing something useful to straighten the situation. Not the he'd be able to, with his "skills" and the situation he's left us in. It's not about needing to add defense, or adding ball handlers, or any of that anymore. We have no means to add anything meaningful, and we will not for a while.

In previous times, I'd be more than happy about making the post season and give some fight during a round or two, but the thing right now is the Clippers are declining and are gonna be for a few years, don't see anything happening that can change that.

Another thing, this is starting to be on Ballmer too. He knows how bad Doc has done so far, if he's content with treading water, he's part of the problem too. I'm not even pissed, I think I'm just accepting how things are gonna be from now on.

Agree. And it's not just next season, it's the season after that, too. We have no prospects, no cap space, no draft, no fking hope. And it makes me SO MAD. I kind of just wish we could rent our players out for the next two years in exchange for some high draft picks or something so we can roll it all back up and try again 3 years from now. The only shot we have is if blake plays like 3.0 blake for the entire course of the season (and turns it up another notch in the playoffs), and if we somehow sign 2-3-ish guys on the minimum who were just scrubs waiting to turn into khris middleton the entire time. But what are the chances of that happening? Especially with doc who has zero eye for talent or development? It's not going to. That makes me almost as mad as his political self-cleansing.

I also agree. It's starting to be on ballmer. But there's no end in sight, given how fast he was to give him a contract and all that power. And even if he cuts bait on doc (which he won't), we're still screwed by the mess that doc rivers left. AND we'd have no coach (though it'd be perfect time to pick up tom thibodeau). Just thinking about all this is too depressing.

I keep thinking about how this core might not ever win anything, and all because of doc. I keep thinking how we might have to wait for another 10, 15, 20 years to have a core this good again, with a true championship window. It's just too crappy. What else can we do, though?


Whatever, just move on i guess. Also, the season would be mildly salvaged for me if GS loses (LOL), but then i'd just end up being pissed again cause i know that this clippers team would've run roughshod all over cleveland. Then i'd be even more pissed cause cleveland would be near invincible next year at full strength. Goodbye, window.

The thing that really pisses me off is that even though Doc can't draft for sh*t, trade for sh*t, or acquire free agents for sh*t- the players were still there to have a decent bench!! We should've picked up Robert Covington from the D-League. He now starts for the Sixers and would've been a nice pick up. He passed on Hassan Whiteside at the start of the season. Jared Cunningham, Joe Ingles, and Reggie Bullock were waived or traded. They're not world beaters but they could've helped spell some relief for the starters in the playoffs. Jordan Hamilton and CJ Wilcox were in street clothes during the playoffs. Should've kept Radulija from the Dudley trade or should've gotten Kris Middleton from the Bucks since we gave them a 1st rounder- he wasn't considered a breakout player until the end of the season. SF problem solved right there!

This is what's really frustrating to me. The players were still there for a solid bench. And most of these guys would be on minimum-smaller contracts. I even roll my eyes at all the cap talk half the time. But there's no eye for talent whatsoever from this guy. Its f*cking sad man


-also is there anyway to get rid of Jamal Crawford. nothing personal against the guy but I don't want to see him in a Clipper uniform anymore. I literally can't stomach his chucking anymore especially when Blake and CP3 are on the floor and even they are standing around and watching his And-1 "Hotsauce" routine.

Doc was back on the radio yesterday with Roggin...
http://thebeast980.com/2015/06/16/doc-rivers-on-lance-stephenson-he-has-shown-in-major-playoff-games-that-he-can-be-a-top-tier-defender/