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We dont need Small Forward, we gonna play Big Ball, CP3, JJ, Bass, Blake and DJ lol

Perhaps it is worth taking a swing at Gerald green

SMH

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I wish him the best with his next opportunity.

is there any sf out there we can get?

No surprise here. I don't believe any other good team even signed their pick in the 50's from the 2015 draft, let alone let them see minutes on the court. Dawson was a long shot from the start. There's a reason he dropped, and basically the team was trying to find out if he could find an NBA position, and clearly he can't and he's obviously not talented enough for that to be overlooked. If he was talented enough, he would have destroyed summer league as a second year player and would have been much more impressive in the D-League.

There have been guys similar to him who have come back to the league at 26, 27 years old after developing their games, generally developing their perimeter games so that they can become SF's. If Dawson can do that, it will be good for him, but you can't really use up a roster spot for the hope that they 56th pick is going to figure out his perimeter game.

As long as Doc is in charge, can we just forfeit all our draft picks? They literally have NO value to Doc. Why did we bother trading to get Dawson? We keep guys for two years tops then dump them. When was the last time we had a guy that actually saw any playing time? Has to be Eric Bledsoe? Does that mean Doc has missed on every single pick since then if none of them are on the roster still?

I thought that Dawson was going to be with us during training camp. Not that he was able to get a chance to play in many games. Good luck to Dawson, hopefully he develops his game.

Angel strike1 wrote:is there any sf out there we can get?

The only one I can think of that is worth having is Gerald green. Maybe tayshaun prince?

Luc and Wes are our SF's, and I'm cool with it tbh. As already mentioned here, Dawson was always the longest shot to end up on an NBA rotation, he was the 56th pick and him getting through his first season was good enough for a guy of his talent. Doubt he'll get another opportunity in the league, but wish him the best.

On a related note, it's crazy how a lot of the Clippers fandom has taken this news, not so much here as in other places of the internet and IRL, I'm pretty disappointed at everyone's unreasonable expectations. I get that people are fed up with Doc and whatever, and probably they have a right to, but Clippers fans used to be a loyal bunch that took disappointment in the chin and moved on. Now it seems to have turned into a group of whiny entitled kids that mindlessly moan after every development, no matter if it's good, bad or insignificant. Sad, really.

Kyle wrote:As long as Doc is in charge, can we just forfeit all our draft picks? They literally have NO value to Doc. Why did we bother trading to get Dawson? We keep guys for two years tops then dump them. When was the last time we had a guy that actually saw any playing time? Has to be Eric Bledsoe? Does that mean Doc has missed on every single pick since then if none of them are on the roster still?

He already added that to his arsenal with the Jeff Green trade.

Ah well, wish him luck. Might see another vet min soon.

I agree it was a longshot, so I'm not really surprised. I liked his energy though. Seemed like someone who has a strong work ethic and would develop into one of those scrappy Tony Allen types. Well, better luck next time I guess.

QRich3 wrote:Luc and Wes are our SF's, and I'm cool with it tbh. As already mentioned here, Dawson was always the longest shot to end up on an NBA rotation, he was the 56th pick and him getting through his first season was good enough for a guy of his talent. Doubt he'll get another opportunity in the league, but wish him the best.

On a related note, it's crazy how a lot of the Clippers fandom has taken this news, not so much here as in other places of the internet and IRL, I'm pretty disappointed at everyone's unreasonable expectations. I get that people are fed up with Doc and whatever, and probably they have a right to, but Clippers fans used to be a loyal bunch that took disappointment in the chin and moved on. Now it seems to have turned into a group of whiny entitled kids that mindlessly moan after every development, no matter if it's good, bad or insignificant. Sad, really.

I think you are mistaken.

the old clipper fandom are the loyal bunch who lived and died with every 'less than average' talents playing their hearts out for this previously lowly, a symbol of infertility of a franchise. we NEVER EVER sided with the management/ownership. siding with a 'less than average' talented player like Dawson is the clipper fandom way, not letting big Steve off the hook because he is the richest owner in NBA and is spending the money Donald was not willing. in fact, money spent unwisely is often worse than money spent frugally. it is time to let Steve know hiring Doc as a coach was probably a good move, even the right move, but letting him gain all the control of the FO was the single worst move he could have made, and letting him continue to run our draft and draft picks into the ground is no longer acceptable. it is not that DAWSON in particular was released after only one year that is so upsetting, but it is the series of moves since Doc got here, selling Bledsoe cheap for essentially Dudley, as JJ was attainable by signing him outright if he had made some creative ways to open up the space or find ways to deal straight with the Bucks for those second round picks, instead of having to include Phoenix. since then, Doc drafted Reggie Bullock and after a year of sitting on the bench, he was gone. the next year, we got CJ Wilcox, rarely played for a couple of years and he was gone. now after another year of buying a very late pick in the second round, which we could have easily gotten a comparable talent as a undrafted FA, he is gone. it is not like we have gotten anything in value in return for those guys leaving either. all this is not including the future draft picks he gave away to get rid of bad deals he made in the first place.
it is Doc's track record of finding talent, or lack thereof, is really what is sad. seeing big Steve with his stupid grin and unquestioning the authority of Doc is even sadder.

Neddy wrote:

QRich3 wrote:Luc and Wes are our SF's, and I'm cool with it tbh. As already mentioned here, Dawson was always the longest shot to end up on an NBA rotation, he was the 56th pick and him getting through his first season was good enough for a guy of his talent. Doubt he'll get another opportunity in the league, but wish him the best.

On a related note, it's crazy how a lot of the Clippers fandom has taken this news, not so much here as in other places of the internet and IRL, I'm pretty disappointed at everyone's unreasonable expectations. I get that people are fed up with Doc and whatever, and probably they have a right to, but Clippers fans used to be a loyal bunch that took disappointment in the chin and moved on. Now it seems to have turned into a group of whiny entitled kids that mindlessly moan after every development, no matter if it's good, bad or insignificant. Sad, really.

I think you are mistaken.

the old clipper fandom are the loyal bunch who lived and died with every 'less than average' talents playing their hearts out for this previously lowly, a symbol of infertility of a franchise. we NEVER EVER sided with the management/ownership. siding with a 'less than average' talented player like Dawson is the clipper fandom way, not letting big Steve off the hook because he is the richest owner in NBA and is spending the money Donald was not willing. in fact, money spent unwisely is often worse than money spent frugally. it is time to let Steve know hiring Doc as a coach was probably a good move, even the right move, but letting him gain all the control of the FO was the single worst move he could have made, and letting him continue to run our draft and draft picks into the ground is no longer acceptable. it is not that DAWSON in particular was released after only one year that is so upsetting, but it is the series of moves since Doc got here, selling Bledsoe cheap for essentially Dudley, as JJ was attainable by signing him outright if he had made some creative ways to open up the space or find ways to deal straight with the Bucks for those second round picks, instead of having to include Phoenix. since then, Doc drafted Reggie Bullock and after a year of sitting on the bench, he was gone. the next year, we got CJ Wilcox, rarely played for a couple of years and he was gone. now after another year of buying a very late pick in the second round, which we could have easily gotten a comparable talent as a undrafted FA, he is gone. it is not like we have gotten anything in value in return for those guys leaving either. all this is not including the future draft picks he gave away to get rid of bad deals he made in the first place.
it is Doc's track record of finding talent, or lack thereof, is really what is sad. seeing big Steve with his stupid grin and unquestioning the authority of Doc is even sadder.

Oh no, I think now it's you who's mistaking what I'm saying. I'm all for letting Ballmer know he isn't doing sh*t and him letting Doc power-grab like that was a big mistake that set us back half a decade. You don't need to list every transaction he's done wrong, I'm pretty aware of all of them

That's one thing, and another is to become whining machines that suck all the fun out of any Clippers-related basketball conversation. Guys should be ecstatic that we managed to sign Brandon Bass for the minimum and instead they just use the move to search for a way to catch more feelings about Doc.

I know how it was, I've also been a fan for a while, and the fact that you turned this into a rant about management just now, kind of proves my point. People didn't mindlessly moan about the Elton Brand trade because we lost Cherokee Parks in free agency. We didn't complain about the Cuttino signing and the Cassell trade just because it meant letting Lionel Chalmers go, and we didn't whine about getting Billups on the cheap because they then let go of Trey Thompkins. And we knew Baylor was one of the worst GM's in the history of sports, and Sterling by far the worst owner anyone's ever seen, but people still found ways to enjoy their team, that's one of the things that attracted me to the Clippers when I was a kid. All this tantrum throwing I see everywhere because things don't go exactly one's way and the Clippers are just the 3rd/4th best team in the league is slap worthy to be honest. And I used to think it was just a couple of children here, but apparently it's what most of the Clipper fandom everywhere looks like nowadays. It is what it is, but it's sad.

QRich3 wrote:Oh no, I think now it's you who's mistaking what I'm saying. I'm all for letting Ballmer know he isn't doing sh*t and him letting Doc power-grab like that was a big mistake that set us back half a decade. You don't need to list every transaction he's done wrong, I'm pretty aware of all of them

Ok, point taken.

QRich3 wrote:That's one thing, and another is to become whining machines that suck all the fun out of any Clippers-related basketball conversation. Guys should be ecstatic that we managed to sign Brandon Bass for the minimum and instead they just use the move to search for a way to catch more feelings about Doc.

Oh I am elated to have Brandon Bass for the minimum. I am also very happy to have Felton in our uni for minimum as well. but that still does not excuse the complete and utter inability to draft well, or develop talent. so are we going to accept that we will always draft terribly, trade picks like nothing, and cut them after not giving them a chance and continue to hope that Doc's tenticles can continue to bring in quality vets at minimum? our roster will continue to age then. with younger, relatively cheaper talents on a relatively long term deals have upsides, they bring stability. annual revolving door of bench unit brings the very opposite. it is hard to build cohesion let alone real chemistry that way.
besides, I think your "constant whining" should be directed to another poster who made a living out of being just that. you know who.

QRich3 wrote: I know how it was, I've also been a fan for a while, and the fact that you turned this into a rant about management just now, kind of proves my point. People didn't mindlessly moan about the Elton Brand trade because we lost Cherokee Parks in free agency. We didn't complain about the Cuttino signing and the Cassell trade just because it meant letting Lionel Chalmers go, and we didn't whine about getting Billups on the cheap because they then let go of Trey Thompkins. And we knew Baylor was one of the worst GM's in the history of sports, and Sterling by far the worst owner anyone's ever seen, but people still found ways to enjoy their team, that's one of the things that attracted me to the Clippers when I was a kid. All this tantrum throwing I see everywhere because things don't go exactly one's way and the Clippers are just the 3rd/4th best team in the league is slap worthy to be honest. And I used to think it was just a couple of children here, but apparently it's what most of the Clipper fandom everywhere looks like nowadays. It is what it is, but it's sad.

I am a little bit disappointed to hear you call my points "rants" and bring down the debate into an argument. be as it may, but it is quite a stretch to compare Elton and Cherokee to Bass and Dawson? Cuttino signing and Cassell trade to what exactly? are you implying the greatest, highest valued free agent signing ever of this franchise up to that point in our history of signing Cat as equal or similar value to signing Raymond Felton? I think you were making some good points with the first two paragraphs but this is a bit ridiculous to use as an anology.
also, I never stated in a single post of being discontent of my clips being 3/4th seed in the west. if you feel otherwise, please bring it to my attention. I will make an apology if you can find one. besides, your first paragraph seems to validate the points I was making, then why dismiss it as a "rant" after saying you are "well aware" and agree with it's assessment? it is what it is, but that logic might be what you may call... sad.

again, I think you are badly mistaken just whom it is that brings the whining you are describing of. maybe you need to read back on some of the other treads where that particular poster stopped posting, and who he was arguing against.

Neddy wrote:besides, I think your "constant whining" should be directed to another poster who made a living out of being just that. you know who.

Neddy wrote:I am a little bit disappointed to hear you call my points "rants" and bring down the debate into an argument. be as it may, but it is quite a stretch to compare Elton and Cherokee to Bass and Dawson? Cuttino signing and Cassell trade to what exactly? are you implying the greatest, highest valued free agent signing ever of this franchise up to that point in our history of signing Cat as equal or similar value to signing Raymond Felton? I think you were making some good points with the first two paragraphs but this is a bit ridiculous to use as an anology.
also, I never stated in a single post of being discontent of my clips being 3/4th seed in the west. if you feel otherwise, please bring it to my attention. I will make an apology if you can find one. besides, your first paragraph seems to validate the points I was making, then why dismiss it as a "rant" after saying you are "well aware" and agree with it's assessment? it is what it is, but that logic might be what you may call... sad.

again, I think you are badly mistaken just whom it is that brings the whining you are describing of. maybe you need to read back on some of the other treads where that particular poster stopped posting, and who he was arguing against.

Yeah yeah, I quoted you because it was me and you talking here, I never meant to dismiss your points or direct what I was saying at you specifically, you're alright Ned

Nah, I didn't even meant this forum in particular, even if there's a a couple of pretty good examples of that sort of whining in here. It's just everywhere I go and meet a Clippers fan it's always the freakin same, you can't have a normal conversation without it being some hot-taking moan on the pessimistic side of things. And it didn't use to be this annoying, even in the darkest years.

My analogies weren't meant to compare Felton to Cassell or whatever (I can defo find more relatable examples that illustrate the same situation if you want me to), just to show how it used to be. We used to be in much worse situation, if you think Doc burns picks and mortgages our future, you might have to remind yourself of Elgin's team building approach (again, that 'you' is not you specifically Neddy, I know you remember). And yet, when he and DTS were running things, I remember Clippers fans were mostly in good spirits and you could have decent conversations with them about the team, instead of having to listen to some (often not very articulated) angry rant about Doc and draft picks, no matter the context of the conversation. I guess the internet makes it different, and when a hot take spreads, everyone gets on the bandwagon even if they don't really understand what they're complaining about.

Anyway, this has gotten too long for a mild complaint and now it's me whining about the whiners, so I'll be glad if we get back to talk ball

QRich3 wrote:

Neddy wrote:besides, I think your "constant whining" should be directed to another poster who made a living out of being just that. you know who.

Neddy wrote:I am a little bit disappointed to hear you call my points "rants" and bring down the debate into an argument. be as it may, but it is quite a stretch to compare Elton and Cherokee to Bass and Dawson? Cuttino signing and Cassell trade to what exactly? are you implying the greatest, highest valued free agent signing ever of this franchise up to that point in our history of signing Cat as equal or similar value to signing Raymond Felton? I think you were making some good points with the first two paragraphs but this is a bit ridiculous to use as an anology.
also, I never stated in a single post of being discontent of my clips being 3/4th seed in the west. if you feel otherwise, please bring it to my attention. I will make an apology if you can find one. besides, your first paragraph seems to validate the points I was making, then why dismiss it as a "rant" after saying you are "well aware" and agree with it's assessment? it is what it is, but that logic might be what you may call... sad.

again, I think you are badly mistaken just whom it is that brings the whining you are describing of. maybe you need to read back on some of the other treads where that particular poster stopped posting, and who he was arguing against.

Yeah yeah, I quoted you because it was me and you talking here, I never meant to dismiss your points or direct what I was saying at you specifically, you're alright Ned

Nah, I didn't even meant this forum in particular, even if there's a a couple of pretty good examples of that sort of whining in here. It's just everywhere I go and meet a Clippers fan it's always the freakin same, you can't have a normal conversation without it being some hot-taking moan on the pessimistic side of things. And it didn't use to be this annoying, even in the darkest years.

My analogies weren't meant to compare Felton to Cassell or whatever (I can defo find more relatable examples that illustrate the same situation if you want me to), just to show how it used to be. We used to be in much worse situation, if you think Doc burns picks and mortgages our future, you might have to remind yourself of Elgin's team building approach (again, that 'you' is not you specifically Neddy, I know you remember). And yet, when he and DTS were running things, I remember Clippers fans were mostly in good spirits and you could have decent conversations with them about the team, instead of having to listen to some (often not very articulated) angry rant about Doc and draft picks, no matter the context of the conversation. I guess the internet makes it different, and when a hot take spreads, everyone gets on the bandwagon even if they don't really understand what they're complaining about.

Anyway, this has gotten too long for a mild complaint and now it's me whining about the whiners, so I'll be glad if we get back to talk ball

I see, my apologies to assume the worst. I do get what you mean about the massive negativity tho. but I beg you to look at the evolution of our fandom. it used to be just a handful of hardcore clips fans like you and I for a long time( also fellas like Cracka2Hi, Kylem, and FatNinja, regardless how seldom they may come around here nowadays), then came the break through of Elton and Cassell's "one game away from the WCF" season and we grew by a little. then came Griffin and that slam dunk contest where Baron lobbed from the sunroof of a Kia. we gained unwanted casual fans by many folds. those guys are bound to be hysterical by each and every move as that is the definition of "causal fans" in the first place. don't stress out my brother, even if the worst ever come and we crash and burn, the true fans will still be here no matter what.

but at the same time tho, that does not mean true fans who will be here regardless of the future does not reserve the right to criticize our FO follies when it is right in our faces when the correction is also within sight. but I will leave it at that. I am sure I make plenty of dumb emotionally charged homer posts all over this place. not that I am saying you are doing the same, just stating my own "follies"

I always thought highly of you man, that's why I expressed my perceived disappointment in my last post, but I am glad to set things straight and we did not end up in some high school level spat. frankly, I am goddamn too old to worry about this as my teen daughter just told me last night about this boy she is texting hours every night from Boston.... I live in Oregon. shoot me.

haha big up Ned, always a pleasure chatting with you man

Everyone has a right to complain about their frustrations, specially when they're this obvious (Doc's people lack of foresight and such). It's just that when you're complaining all of the time and you can't hold a normal conversation about something that's supposed to make you enjoy, you're not very fan to share a passion with. And it just happened that in the last year or so I can't stop running into these people, internet or real life. Even my long time mates have become like that, so I was just using an obvious example like people overrating Dawson to vent.

But yeah, everyone has a right to let frustrations out just like I'm doing, I'll just have to find a way to deal with the annoyance, or not having to deal with it I guess.