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Clippers Will Implement Injury Prevention Technology This Season
Posted: Sun Oct 9, 2016 8:53 am
by mkwest
J.J. Redick wants to play in next preseason game if Clippers will let him He had been held out of Wednesday night’s game against Toronto because the biometrics technology tracking system the Clippers are using this season determined that Redick’s body needed a break.
His “workload during training camp,” Redick explained before practice, has been on the “sort of high group of guys,” explaining why he wasn’t allowed to play in the back-to-back game.
Redick has always been attentive to his conditioning and even spent time this summer working out using some trendy sports science.
But Redick also admitted he’s somewhat skeptical of all the new technology being used.
“I think collecting data is fine. How you use that data and how you interpret that data is another thing entirely, so I’m always a little cautious as far as what … is being collected,” Redick said. “But I’m a curious person … If there’s anything to sort of gain from the data – whether it’s performance-related or injury prevention – I’m all for it.”
However, Rivers said that the use of biometrics technology is not something his players should be worried about.
“You always have skepticism with everything,” Rivers said. “That’s how we are, or most of us. All of them to a man have used it, have liked the stuff. Some believe in it, some don’t. That’s fine. You can get numbers anyway. I don’t think that’s an issue.”
Brad Turner,
LA Times
Clippers' J.J. Redick says biometric program raises interesting questions about use of that dataWith the Clippers, the numbers are, at least partially, in charge this season. As part of sweeping organizational changes throughout their basketball operations department, the Clippers added Mark Simpson to be their Director of Performance and Jay Porterfield as a Performance Scientist/Biomedical Analyst.
The data the team is collecting from wearable monitoring devices during practice can be used in injury prevention and specialized training, and those applications have players like Redick intrigued. But, there’s concern the data could be used in ways that might not be in a player’s best interest.
“What Mark (Simpson) has brought here has been really good so far,” Redick said. “Again, I mean, you always want sort of a different set of eyes, whether it’s noticing something about your posture or your gait or anything like that that can be helpful for performance and injury prevention.”
While decisions will be made thanks to a mixture of the data and observation, Rivers wants something to be clear to his team.
“At the end of the day, my job is to make sure that they know what Mark says is the law,” Rivers said. “Sometimes, you don’t have to ask. If they come and tell me Raymond Felton has to sit down, Raymond Felton’s sitting down.”
Dan Woike,
OC Register
Re: Clippers Will Implement Injury Prevention Technology This Season
Posted: Sun Oct 9, 2016 11:47 pm
by Neddy
wonder if Doc is using biometrics as an excuse to play Alan/Austin/Felton more along side of CP to test things out?
Re: Clippers Will Implement Injury Prevention Technology This Season
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:45 am
by nickhx2
mmm, i don't know it'd really be an excuse though.
part of preserving cp3 for the playoffs is making sure he isn't over-stressed. if that means playing him more alongside of felton then i'd say ya, we should absolutely do it.
Re: Clippers Will Implement Injury Prevention Technology This Season
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 8:11 am
by adithya
The discussion about this
on the main forum is as mindnumbing as you'd expect. The Clippers aren't doing anything new or revolutionary here; in fact, they're
behind the curve.
A lot of this is just simple risk analysis, they're going to be more cautious with resting guys like Redick in the preseason when the games don't matter. I don't think this will make a huge difference in how often guys sit out in the regular season, look at how teams like the Warriors have rested guys the last two seasons and you'll get a sense of how often the Clippers will do it.
Don't think this is an excuse to try out new lineups or anything, that just happens to be one of the effects.
Re: Clippers Will Implement Injury Prevention Technology This Season
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:02 am
by QRich3
adithya wrote:The discussion about this
on the main forum is as mindnumbing as you'd expect. The Clippers aren't doing anything new or revolutionary here; in fact, they're
behind the curve.
A lot of this is just simple risk analysis, they're going to be more cautious with resting guys like Redick in the preseason when the games don't matter. I don't think this will make a huge difference in how often guys sit out in the regular season, look at how teams like the Warriors have rested guys the last two seasons and you'll get a sense of how often the Clippers will do it.
Don't think this is an excuse to try out new lineups or anything, that just happens to be one of the effects.
Where do you get that they're behind the curve there? it's a link saying other teams are doing stuff like this, but I fail to see anything related to the Clippers there? To be honest, it's not a new thing for the Clippers either, I remember the report two seasons ago where they said the Clippers were monitoring hours of sleep and several other things that were supposed to be revolutionary back then too.
I'm all for it, anything that helps you take informed decisions is cool, and with the awful history of our training staff treating injuries, any help will be great.
Re: Clippers Will Implement Injury Prevention Technology This Season
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:17 am
by adithya
QRich3 wrote:Where do you get that they're behind the curve there? it's a link saying other teams are doing stuff like this, but I fail to see anything related to the Clippers there? To be honest, it's not a new thing for the Clippers either, I remember the report two seasons ago where they said the Clippers were monitoring hours of sleep and several other things that were supposed to be revolutionary back then too.
I'm all for it, anything that helps you take informed decisions is cool, and with the awful history of our training staff treating injuries, any help will be great.
Maybe not behind the curve, but they're not an early adopter here. They're just doing what most of the more forward-thinking teams are doing nowadays (although we should give them credit for actually being one of those teams now, something they weren't two or three years ago).
Re: Clippers Will Implement Injury Prevention Technology This Season
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:01 pm
by QRich3
adithya wrote:QRich3 wrote:Where do you get that they're behind the curve there? it's a link saying other teams are doing stuff like this, but I fail to see anything related to the Clippers there? To be honest, it's not a new thing for the Clippers either, I remember the report two seasons ago where they said the Clippers were monitoring hours of sleep and several other things that were supposed to be revolutionary back then too.
I'm all for it, anything that helps you take informed decisions is cool, and with the awful history of our training staff treating injuries, any help will be great.
Maybe not behind the curve, but they're not an early adopter here. They're just doing what most of the more forward-thinking teams are doing nowadays (although we should give them credit for actually being one of those teams now, something they weren't two or three years ago).
I can't find the link now, but I distinctly remember that ESPN article from two seasons back that detailed the few teams that were monitoring stuff like sleep hours, rest time vs exercising and how it all affected the players, etc. and it specifically mentioned the Clippers and a couple teams more as the examples of the biometrics 'revolution', with a few quotes by Blake and Doc on that stuff. And this biometrics thing isn't really new to the NBA anyway, I remember Battier talking about the controversy between the players and the team when he played in Miami and they started measuring this stuff, and that's about half a decade away already.
Re: Clippers Will Implement Injury Prevention Technology This Season
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 4:40 pm
by nickhx2
i was surprised that the clippers had done some cutting edge stuff since i wouldn't have expected the franchise to show all that much interest with old schoolers like doc at the helm. so i think in that regard they are definitely willing to take shots at some stuff they weren't interested in before. and i'm pretty sure the cryo tanks were installed at the behest of mike dunleavy SR (though i could be wrong about that) when it was still a new thing, and of course i think he was the main pusher of the training facility.
iirc the biometric stuff was being dabbled in last season too, though i do believe other teams like GS were the first to fully implement it. so ya i mean maybe not innovators but they are also trying to keep up.
Re: Clippers Will Implement Injury Prevention Technology This Season
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:30 am
by wco81
nickhx2 wrote:i was surprised that the clippers had done some cutting edge stuff since i wouldn't have expected the franchise to show all that much interest with old schoolers like doc at the helm. so i think in that regard they are definitely willing to take shots at some stuff they weren't interested in before. and i'm pretty sure the cryo tanks were installed at the behest of mike dunleavy SR (though i could be wrong about that) when it was still a new thing, and of course i think he was the main pusher of the training facility.
iirc the biometric stuff was being dabbled in last season too, though i do believe other teams like GS were the first to fully implement it. so ya i mean maybe not innovators but they are also trying to keep up.
Yeah but with Ballmer owning the team, they should be open to it. Are there people in the front office who are into analytics?
I've seen some short features about all the sensors pro athletes wear now. They certainly measure more than the Fitbits that normal people wear.
However, it's not clear that the data they collect leads to any meaningful directives about how to enhance performance, conditioning, etc. And that's the case with Fitbits, which collect a lot of data but doesn't really show people how to lead more healthy lifestyles, other than urging them to meet their daily goals.