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Posted: **Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:46 pm**

This was just posted and kinda blew my mind.

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I'd say he may be underrated by RealGM.

Posted: **Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:50 pm**

Well it's too bad he can never play a full season

Posted: **Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:51 pm**

Defense is surprising, offensively not so much.

Posted: **Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:52 pm**

I knew he was a very good offensive player when healthy, but I'm stunned by his defensive numbers. I'd be interested to know why there's such a big difference between his reputation and his value on defense.

Posted: **Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:54 pm**

InWestWeTrust wrote:Well it's too bad he can never play a full season

Obviously that's an unfortunate thing. Still interesting considering that when I recently called him a "borderline all star caliber" player I was attacked by quite a few people. The data is pretty interesting, you have to admit that.

Posted: **Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:56 pm**

ClipsFanSince98 wrote:
InWestWeTrust wrote:Well it's too bad he can never play a full season

Obviously that's an unfortunate thing. Still interesting considering that when I recently called him a "borderline all star caliber" player I was attacked by quite a few people. The data is pretty interesting, you have to admit that.

Because he has never been considered for an all star spot. Hence "borderline all star caliber" is mis leading.

Posted: **Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:59 pm**

Nuggets_Talk wrote:
ClipsFanSince98 wrote:
InWestWeTrust wrote:Well it's too bad he can never play a full season

Obviously that's an unfortunate thing. Still interesting considering that when I recently called him a "borderline all star caliber" player I was attacked by quite a few people. The data is pretty interesting, you have to admit that.

Because he has never been considered for an all star spot. Hence "borderline all star caliber" is mis leading.

Well... the all star game itself is a popularity contest, as we all know. When I say caliber I'm referring to all star level production/efficiency and obviously when healthy. The reason I even use borderline as a qualifier is because as already said, he hasn't been able to sustain it over say 75+ games. But still if you get 60 games of this, you're still a hell of a lot better as a team than without him.

Posted: **Sat Jul 22, 2017 11:18 pm**

ClipsFanSince98 wrote:
Nuggets_Talk wrote:
ClipsFanSince98 wrote:
Obviously that's an unfortunate thing. Still interesting considering that when I recently called him a "borderline all star caliber" player I was attacked by quite a few people. The data is pretty interesting, you have to admit that.

Because he has never been considered for an all star spot. Hence "borderline all star caliber" is mis leading.

Well... the all star game itself is a popularity contest, as we all know. When I say caliber I'm referring to all star level production/efficiency and obviously when healthy. The reason I even use borderline as a qualifier is because as already said, he hasn't been able to sustain it over say 75+ games. But still if you get 60 games of this, you're still a hell of a lot better as a team than without him.

Yes. He was widely considered as all star production/efficiency player the past 6 years. So many times I couldn't keep track.

Posted: **Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:14 am**

ClipsFanSince98 wrote:
Nuggets_Talk wrote:
ClipsFanSince98 wrote:
Obviously that's an unfortunate thing. Still interesting considering that when I recently called him a "borderline all star caliber" player I was attacked by quite a few people. The data is pretty interesting, you have to admit that.

Because he has never been considered for an all star spot. Hence "borderline all star caliber" is mis leading.

Well... the all star game itself is a popularity contest, as we all know. When I say caliber I'm referring to all star level production/efficiency and obviously when healthy. The reason I even use borderline as a qualifier is because as already said, he hasn't been able to sustain it over say 75+ games. But still if you get 60 games of this, you're still a hell of a lot better as a team than without him.

All-Star starters are a popularity contest, not the bench, but you're not going to get much All-Star consideration on poor teams, or if you miss too many games early in the season, two things that Gallo has had happen. Of course the bigger issue is that the WC has a ton of talent, who was he going to make it over? It doesn't mean he's not an All-Star "caliber" talent, it just means he's at the bottom of those kinds of players which isn't really saying anything bad about him.

MartinToVaught wrote:I knew he was a very good offensive player when healthy, but I'm stunned by his defensive numbers. I'd be interested to know why there's such a big difference between his reputation and his value on defense.

Play type data only accounts for on ball possessions, it does not account for a players off-ball defense. Play type data also is just looking at what the end result of the possession was, it's not necessarily telling you what happened between the start of that type of possession and the end to cause the miss, turnover, whatever.

So one thing it could suggest is that Gallo is either not good at it, lazy, gets lost, or is not as active and/or interested as an off-ball defender. The other thing might be position. A lot of people that are a little sour on his defense are sour on his defense at SF. Gallo did play a lot of PF for the Nuggets, so how much of that is PF vs SF? If you compare, 15-16 was not nearly as favorable to him when it came do defensive "value added".

Here's the page link if people want to search:
http://nbamath.com/nba-play-type-data/

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:20 am**

Yeah, as og says, that chart only measures a bunch of hand-picked plays from what Synergy measures, it says he's done well at a few isolated types of plays but it doesn't say much about his overall defensive ability. Adjusted impact numbers like RAPM or PT-PM have him as a slightly negative to neutral defender since he had the knee injury, and a clearly positive one before that, which is pretty much exactly what the general opinion about him is.

Hopefully he can be healthy and shows the kind of effort he hadn't been showing in his latest years in the Nuggets, otherwise we're gonna have trouble defensively.

Posted: **Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:43 am**

I tried to tell you guys about this a couple of weeks ago. In 2013 Durant said Gallo was the toughest defender he had to go against. Gallo used to request to defend guys like Lebron, Kobe, and Durant. Now that was before his 2 major knee injuries but when he was healthy he was a very underrated defender. Sadly the knee injuries did take a bit of a toll.

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Posted: **Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:53 am**

Nuggets_Talk wrote:
ClipsFanSince98 wrote:
InWestWeTrust wrote:Well it's too bad he can never play a full season

Obviously that's an unfortunate thing. Still interesting considering that when I recently called him a "borderline all star caliber" player I was attacked by quite a few people. The data is pretty interesting, you have to admit that.

Because he has never been considered for an all star spot. Hence "borderline all star caliber" is mis leading.

How would you know who coaches considered for a all star spot? Are you in on the meetings? I remember one year the week before the team was named I remember somebody on the TNT crew (Charles, Kenny, or Cwebb) called for Gallo to make it but usually the guys on playoff teams have a edge (rightfully so)

Posted: **Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:20 am**

Galloisdaman wrote:
Nuggets_Talk wrote:
ClipsFanSince98 wrote:
Obviously that's an unfortunate thing. Still interesting considering that when I recently called him a "borderline all star caliber" player I was attacked by quite a few people. The data is pretty interesting, you have to admit that.

Because he has never been considered for an all star spot. Hence "borderline all star caliber" is mis leading.

How would you know who coaches considered for a all star spot? Are you in on the meetings? I remember one year the week before the team was named I remember somebody on the TNT crew (Charles, Kenny, or Cwebb) called for Gallo to make it but usually the guys on playoff teams have a edge (rightfully so)

I guess using the same logic we can also not assume he was ever considered for an all star spot.

but usually certain names pop up when people predict all star rosters, name biggest snubs, replacement players, etc...gallos name was never mentioned.

I wish it was. I was, and am, a big gallo fan. ill miss him, wish he could have stayed but the money wasnt available. but to say he was almost an all star just isnt true.

Posted: **Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:58 am**

Nuggets_Talk wrote:
Galloisdaman wrote:
Nuggets_Talk wrote:
Because he has never been considered for an all star spot. Hence "borderline all star caliber" is mis leading.

How would you know who coaches considered for a all star spot? Are you in on the meetings? I remember one year the week before the team was named I remember somebody on the TNT crew (Charles, Kenny, or Cwebb) called for Gallo to make it but usually the guys on playoff teams have a edge (rightfully so)

I guess using the same logic we can also not assume he was ever considered for an all star spot.

but usually certain names pop up when people predict all star rosters, name biggest snubs, replacement players, etc...gallos name was never mentioned.

I wish it was. I was, and am, a big gallo fan. ill miss him, wish he could have stayed but the money wasnt available. but to say he was almost an all star just isnt true.

Well, he's been a better player than guys like Hibbert, Korver, Teague, Drummond, even Derozan probably. If you wanna get caught up in who was actually almost chosen that's fine, but if you wanna put a qualifier to the type of player he is, borderline allstar is perfectly valid.

Posted: **Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:04 pm**

Nuggets_Talk wrote:
Galloisdaman wrote:
Nuggets_Talk wrote:
Because he has never been considered for an all star spot. Hence "borderline all star caliber" is mis leading.

How would you know who coaches considered for a all star spot? Are you in on the meetings? I remember one year the week before the team was named I remember somebody on the TNT crew (Charles, Kenny, or Cwebb) called for Gallo to make it but usually the guys on playoff teams have a edge (rightfully so)

I guess using the same logic we can also not assume he was ever considered for an all star spot.

but usually certain names pop up when people predict all star rosters, name biggest snubs, replacement players, etc...gallos name was never mentioned.

I wish it was. I was, and am, a big gallo fan. ill miss him, wish he could have stayed but the money wasnt available. but to say he was almost an all star just isnt true.

Saying Gallos name was never mentioned is just not correct. As I pointed out previously Gallos name was spoken about on the TNT basketball guys before the teams were named by coaches a few years back. One of the guys had him on his team but I can't remember if it was Charles or Cwebb. I don't think it was Kenny. I think it was Charles. My only hesitation is knowing CWebb also loves Gallo.

Posted: **Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:09 am**

QRich3 wrote:
Nuggets_Talk wrote:
Galloisdaman wrote:
How would you know who coaches considered for a all star spot? Are you in on the meetings? I remember one year the week before the team was named I remember somebody on the TNT crew (Charles, Kenny, or Cwebb) called for Gallo to make it but usually the guys on playoff teams have a edge (rightfully so)

I guess using the same logic we can also not assume he was ever considered for an all star spot.

but usually certain names pop up when people predict all star rosters, name biggest snubs, replacement players, etc...gallos name was never mentioned.

I wish it was. I was, and am, a big gallo fan. ill miss him, wish he could have stayed but the money wasnt available. but to say he was almost an all star just isnt true.

Well, he's been a better player than guys like Hibbert, Korver, Teague, Drummond, even Derozan probably. If you wanna get caught up in who was actually almost chosen that's fine, but if you wanna put a qualifier to the type of player he is, borderline allstar is perfectly valid.

we just have different definitions of "borderline all star" - to me its a guy who was considered for all star spots or snubbed. someone who almost made an all star team. just missed out. you know, like a "borderline all star". one of those players.

gallo never was.

your definition seems to be "hey, hes a really good player" to which I agree.

I wonder how many clipper fans voted for gallo to be an all star the past 6 seasons? probably not many.

Posted: **Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:04 am**

are you implying clipper fans have been oblivious fools to gallo's level of play the last few seasons? or is it something else you're trying to say

Posted: **Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:23 am**

lol yeah that was weird. Gallinari would've made the allstar team several times if he played on some middling team from the East these past few years, that's with him being now a Clipper or wherever. Whatever other stuff supported by the imbalance between the east and the west is not very useful for basketball conversation.

Edit- oh I just realised Nuggets_Talk is the guy that was pushing the narrative of "no Clips fan liked Gallo before why do they like him now" int he GB, cause apparently someone declined his trade offer some time ago. Move along, nothing to see here.

Posted: **Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:14 pm**

Nuggets_Talk wrote:
QRich3 wrote:
Nuggets_Talk wrote:
I guess using the same logic we can also not assume he was ever considered for an all star spot.

but usually certain names pop up when people predict all star rosters, name biggest snubs, replacement players, etc...gallos name was never mentioned.

I wish it was. I was, and am, a big gallo fan. ill miss him, wish he could have stayed but the money wasnt available. but to say he was almost an all star just isnt true.

Well, he's been a better player than guys like Hibbert, Korver, Teague, Drummond, even Derozan probably. If you wanna get caught up in who was actually almost chosen that's fine, but if you wanna put a qualifier to the type of player he is, borderline allstar is perfectly valid.

we just have different definitions of "borderline all star" - to me its a guy who was considered for all star spots or snubbed. someone who almost made an all star team. just missed out. you know, like a "borderline all star". one of those players.

gallo never was.

your definition seems to be "hey, hes a really good player" to which I agree.

I wonder how many clipper fans voted for gallo to be an all star the past 6 seasons? probably not many.

Gallo was never mentioned as a possible all-star candidate???

Gallo was never a slam dunk as a all-star choice but never even a borderline candidate??? Come on....

"He comes out and gets 28, five boards, 19 free throw attempts, making 17 -- and the loose ball, some of the things that don't show up on the stat sheet," Nuggets coach Michael Malone said. "And he's been doing that every game now. He is to me, if we keep on winning and he keeps on playing at that level, he's a guy that you should talk about making an all-star team. If he can continue to play at such a high level. He puts the time in, and the biggest thing is he'll get there if we continue to win."http://www.dailycamera.com/nuggets-nba/ci_29386296/danilo-gallinari-playing-at-all-star-level-says-coach-michael-malone

Nuggets forward Danilo Gallinari cooking as all-star candidate
By Christopher Dempsey | cdempsey@denverpost.com |
PUBLISHED: January 21, 2016 at 1:58 pm | UPDATED: April 18, 2016
Now that the voting for NBA All-Star Game starters is done, teams will begin lobbying other coaches to select their players as reserves.

That includes the Nuggets, who will be sending out literature about their leading scorer, Danilo Gallinari, creatively done in the form of a restaurant menu. Gallinari appears in many pictures, one in a chef’s hat. His statistics and other information about what he has done this season are on both sides of the menu.

Gallinari entered Thursday’s game against Memphis averaging a career-high 19 points per game along with five rebounds. He has been even better in January, averaging 24.2 points, 5.3 rebounds and 2.1 assists. He is shooting 44.2 percent from the floor.

Coach Michael Malone has already stumped for Gallinari, saying if he keeps playing this well he should be an all-star. Gallinari said he has thought a lot about playing in the All-Star Game. http://www.denverpost.com/2016/01/21/nuggets-forward-danilo-gallinari-cooking-as-all-star-candidate/

According to Chris Vivlamore of the Atlanta Journal Consitution, Danilo Gallinari was not among those selected as reserves for the NBA Western Conference All Star team.

West reserves are: Green, Davis, Paul, Cousins, Thompson, Harden Aldridge.
— Chris Vivlamore (@CVivlamoreAJC) January 28, 2016

The obvious choice for who Gallo would be more deserving of a bid is LaMarcus Aldridge. Gallo averages about four more points a game than Aldridge but does not grab nearly as many boards. Both player's efficiency ratings are fairly similar, hovering around 19.5. Both players also rate very similarly in win shares. In the end perhaps the nod goes to Aldridge because his team has a far superior record and had he not been selected only one of the San Antonio Spurs, the team with the NBA's second best record, would have been part of the game. https://www.denverstiffs.com/2016/1/28/10864116/danilo-gallinari-an-all-star-snub

Hunt predicts Gallinari All-Star berth
April 16, 2015 12:08 PM http://www.beinsports.com/en/basketball/video/hunt-predicts-gallinari-all-star-berth/16077

Posted: **Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:59 pm**

That's who I think Danilo Gallinari is. A really good player with passive (read: influential) aforementioned qualities who is just a victim of the bad timing syndrome. In the Knicks, he was playing with a struggling lottery team. In the Nuggets, he was in the midst of a western conference warfare. Now that he's a Clipper, he's getting the best of both worlds rolled into one, plus the added complication of injury.

Let's look at DeAndre Jordan. One of the best centers in the league plagued by better versatile big men in DeMarcus Cousins, Anthony Davis, and Draymond Green. The west was wild, wild and tightly crowded. The center position was dying. He got in for one reason: voter sympathy:

1. The Clippers were in their last hurrah. The Paul-Griffin-Jordan trio was on the verge of being broken up.
2. Chris Paul and Blake Griffin missed a chunk of the season to injury, leaving the western conference without a Clipper representative. DJ was the only healthy Clipper remaining.
3. Doc Rivers needed one more superstar to validate his Clippers Big 3 claim. Before then, the Paul-Griffin-Jordan trio was deemed laughable.

In summary, the coaches just gave it to him.

I could see the same thing happening with Danilo in that Doc Rivers would have to encourage the coaches to let him in through a passionate speech. Note that Blake Griffin is still recovering from a broken toe and could be held back until the end of the year. Without a point guard to set him up, DeAndre will have a hard time scoring points and could be further exposed as the Clipper's weakest link. Both of these things could help Danilo Gallinari's case as an All Star selection, provided the Clippers do not push the panic button on a trade for Kyrie Irving.

See Doc? You don't need to be a politician to get your way. Just let the players do their thing, and everything will be fine. Remember, Doc: your job's on the line.

Beyond all this, and to be realistic, it would take a commissioner's choice for Danilo to get in.

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