DeAndre Jordan Extension Talks

[Ranma]

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[Ranma]

[Roscoe Sheed]

I'm not opposed to him re-signing. How realistic is it to think the clippers can get George or LeBron? He is an above average center and teams would still be interested in trading for him if the clippers became inclined to make him available

[Forte IV]

Im fine with it as long as it isnt some crazy number. I'd 100% prefer a front loaded deal for him

[JGOJustin]

Idk man. I've soured on DJ a bit. I've heard directly from folks within that even to this day his work ethic isn't nearly what one would think that it should be.

Beyond that, I'm just starting to sour on Bigs who you can't throw the ball to on Offense, and who also can't shoot free throws. He's good, and still an athletic freak who's still a very good defensive player, but that can only take you so far. Would wanna see how he looks w/o Chris Paul for an entire season before committing any more years to DJ

[Quake Griffin]

Hopefully this is just posturing/symbolic and there is no meeting of the minds.

He needs to be dealt.


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[TucsonClip]

People still take for granted how much gravity DJ has rolling to the rim on offense. His defense is what makes him worthwhile, combined with said gravity, but my issue has ALWAYS been with Doc not staggering DJ and Blake (mainly Blake with the bench). Im fine with an extension, but anything over 25 mil is too much.

[Wammy Giveaway]

Here's what we know so far:

1. Griffin and Jordan are friends. They're inseparable. Trade for Jordan, you may as well trade for Griffin - two for the price of one.
2. If DeAndre gets the extension, there is the possibility of an extend-and-trade. But if the parameters don't fit, then it's a full-on six-month no trade period. From Eric Pincus:

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3. Now why would DJ want an extension? Is it the money, or is it so that he and Griffin can leave together? Look at this timeline:

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Year | Jordan                 | Griffin                | Difference
-----+------------------------+------------------------+------------
2008 | Drafted (3-year)       | N/A                    | DJ 3
2009 | N/A                    | Drafted (2-year)       | DJ 2, BG 2
2010 | N/A                    | Exercised option (+1)  | DJ 1, BG 1
2011 | 4-year match           | Exercised option (+1)  | DJ 4, BG 1
2012 | N/A                    | 5-year contract        | DJ 3, BG 5
2013 | N/A                    | N/A                    | DJ 2, BG 4
2014 | N/A                    | N/A                    | DJ 1, BG 3
2015 | 4-year contract        | N/A                    | DJ 4, BG 2
2016 | N/A                    | N/A                    | DJ 3, BG 1
2017 | N/A                    | 5-year contract        | DJ 2, BG 5

Griffin and Jordan have never had a season where both can leave on the same year. An extension can help give DJ the extra years needed to match with Griffin's departure.

[nickhx2]

i'm fine with an extension as well but i agree, 25m is too much.

also agree with other points. if dj is gone then the team will truly see the effect of not having a gravity-pulling center to warp offenses. space can be created on the inside, too, not just from the 3 point line.

[Forte IV]

Wammy stop with the conspiracy theories please lol

[Wammy Giveaway]

Wammy stop with the conspiracy theories please lol

Can't stop cause I won't stop, meaning I'll never stop... til the end of hip hop.

(Great, my failed rap personality is in effect now.)

[Quake Griffin]

Not into the whole Dre and Blake are BFFs at this point.

That was cute when they 21 or 22.
They're a bit older now. Blake has a kid. I'm sure they're still friends but I highly doubt they're having sleepovers and tagging along everywhere the other one goes.

We've got Blake signed through his prime with or without DeAndre.



Cliffs:
- I'm not putting this franchise on hold for their friendship.


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[donemilio21]

It is too early for an extension talk. We all know how much DJ can contribute on defense and offense. None would expect him to contirbute any more than that, and that was all with CP3. Combine that with how much he relies on his athleticism (something that declines with age) it is way to early to extend DJ. Certainly not more than 3 maybe 4 years. He will not decline his almost $25mil player option. No other team would (and most likely could) offer him more than that, and we have his bird rights anyway.

[Quake Griffin]

Joel Embiid just got a $148 million deal.

Signing DeAndre sounds like it’ll be reasonable.

Not.


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[Neddy]

we really need to trade DJ right now.

of course Doc won't as he is always in a win now mode. but face it, we are a rebuilding franchise. DJ should go. Galli should be a package for the right deal. other than Pat/Milos/Willie/rooks who are coming in cheap, everybody else should not be safe from a blockbuster deal.

[Ranma]

Zach Lowe, ESPN (10/13/17)

The Clips finally listened when suitors called on Jordan around the draft, according to sources across the league. They did not shop him. They conducted some due diligence. They like DeAndre Jordan so much, they have discussed a potential extension, per a report by Brad Turner of the Los Angeles Times.

Those talks might signal some trepidation about re-signing Jordan this summer. If he hits the market, Jordan will be eligible for a maximum salary of about $35 million. The most he can get in the first year of an extension: $27 million. Do the Clippers really want to lock up $70 million per year in the Jordan-Blake Griffin duo?

If they don't, L.A. should investigate what Jordan might fetch. The Clippers will stand pat if they find themselves on pace for 50-ish wins. But what if they are around .500, jostling for one of the last two playoff spots?

Finding a match is brutal; expiring contracts like Jordan's have more value now that cap room is scarce, but the old template of flipping expirings for good players on longer deals might be harder to follow over the next couple of seasons.

The unprecedented two-year cap spike spawned a wild spending bubble; the league is littered with long-term contracts that now look like horrid overpays. It is really hard to find a non-superstar on a two- or three-year deal for whom a team might exchange a big expiring contract. Like, a lot of teams wouldn't touch Andre Drummond's contract, even if they only had to send dead money to get him. On the flip side, teams are loathe to flip talented players -- even overpaid ones -- for someone who will bolt right away. Even Detroit, in tax hell, might not give up Drummond for salary relief alone. (At least not yet.)

Only a hungry team that fancies itself one piece from contention would dare. In the age of LeBron and Golden State, very few teams conceive of themselves that way.

Jordan probably isn't good enough for the Cavs to dangle their Nets pick (plus Tristan Thompson). The Celtics can't match salaries without upending their team. On the other end of the spectrum, the Lakers aren't going to compromise cap space for Jordan.

The most tantalizing candidate: the Wizards. Let's build Lob City, East! Washington could offer Marcin Gortat, Kelly Oubre, Jason Smith, and at least one unprotected first-round pick. Want to simplify? Just send Otto Porter for Jordan (and one teensy salary) once Porter becomes trade eligible in January.

One monkey wrench: The salaries going back and forth have to match almost exactly; the Wizards are over the tax line, and the Clippers are crouched just beneath it. A huge contract for Jordan would be untenable atop Washington's other giant salaries. It's still workable, especially if a third team helps.

The Mavs could open enough space to absorb Jordan sending out only Dwight Powell, Nerlens Noel and a pick, but there was that whole kidnapping thing. The Thunder have already unloaded two young players on mega-deals for superior veterans; why not flip Steven Adams for Jordan? (The answer: any talent gap between Adams and Jordan is small, and shrinking. Also, it should be illegal for any team to have two of Andre Roberson, Jordan, and Drummond.) Other suitors might come out of the woodwork.

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[MartinToVaught]

we really need to trade DJ right now.

of course Doc won't as he is always in a win now mode. but face it, we are a rebuilding franchise. DJ should go. Galli should be a package for the right deal. other than Pat/Milos/Willie/rooks who are coming in cheap, everybody else should not be safe from a blockbuster deal.

Doc won't be trading anyone because (thankfully) he's been fired from the front office.

I'm certainly not opposed to a DJ trade, but there's no need to panic and trade him now. We should wait for the Celtics to get desperate for anyone who can rebound and see if we can fleece them out of that Lakers pick.

[Ranma]

Zach Lowe, ESPN (10/30/17)

They could have walked that free-agency path with Paul instead of Griffin; Paul is a more attractive magnet for the Banana Boat generation. They had chances to trade one cornerstone big man for picks and players who would fit with Paul. Teams called regularly about Griffin. The Clippers have explored DeAndre Jordan trades, though perhaps only one proposal -- a deal which would have sent Jordan to Houston at last season's trade deadline for Clint Capela, picks and players -- ever gained semiserious traction, league sources say.

Jordan may want something closer to his maximum salary of $35 million. He has discussed an extension, but he would earn less going that route; talks have stalled. "If they want me, yeah, I'd love to be here," Jordan says. "But I don't have an extension, do I? So we'll see." (Jordan is also negotiating without an agent. He parted ways with Dan Fegan, his old agent, after the Dallas hostage situation. "I haven't had the best experiences with agents," Jordan says.)

The Clippers know the math. Perhaps they are angling to squeeze Jordan in a tight free agency market. Whether they can build a contender around Griffin and Jordan will depend in part on "what the number is" on Jordan's salary, Rivers admits. "We want DJ back," Rivers says. "We think we can win a title building around him and Blake. You also need room in the budget for other people."

The Clippers don't care that building around two behemoths would make them an anachronism -- even with Griffin, having drained 41 percent from deep on almost six attempts per game, blossoming into a legitimate 3-point threat. "We look at them as two of the top players at their position," Frank says. "You can't ignore that just because some teams have gone toward positionless basketball."

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[wassuphomeboy]

I really don't think the Clippers are going to get fair value back for DJ in today's pace-and-space league (hell, they haven't got fair value in ANY trade period since Neil was GM), so I'm in favor of extending him even if we have to slightly(not massively) overpay. I don't think his skillset is replaceable in today's NBA, at least not if the goal is to win a title. DJ also has a much better injury history than CP3 and Blake(unfortunately).

But, if they're going to extend him, they might as well make DJ a more focal part of the offense.

When Doc first arrived on the Clippers, he told DJ something to the tune of "Don't expect to get the ball on offense. Just focus on defense and rebounding". That was, to Doc's credit, critical in DJ's development from a promising prospect to the 1st-team All-NBA and All-Defensive center he's become today. But, now that CP3 isn't here anymore, that comment feels a bit outdated, and it's time for DJ to get a few more touches on offense (yes, including post-ups).

DJ is severely underrated as a low post presence, and actually has a really good hook shot/drop step from the few times I've got to see it. Even if it does look a bit wonky, the ball goes in at a pretty decent rate. From my POV, there are very few centers in today's small-ball league that can handle him 1v1 in the paint. It also can draw fouls on the opposing C and help get the rest of the team in the bonus, whether DJ makes the free throws or not.

From an off-the-court perspective, it would also be good to our longest-tenured franchise player, the guy that's been here through it all, the guy that would surely love to remain a Clipper for life with his buddy BG. On a secondary note, it would also send a good message to other prospective FAs that may look into becoming a Clipper in the future.

[esqtvd]

I'm SO conflicted about DJ. Giving him his $30M+ ties up a ton of cap space [which is now rising much more slowly than once predicted] but we may find out how totally terrible we are without him making up for Blake's bad D and now Gallo's to boot.