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Lou Williams & The 2 way contract player conundrums
Posted: Tue Jan 2, 2018 7:07 am
by Clemenza
At first I'm like we need to trade Lou to a playoff team but now I'm confused- its like should we offer him a 2-3 year deal with the way he's playing? And his scoring is within the offense and he's dishing out lobs to DJ and getting other involved. He's not really the defender but definitely serviceable. With a few more 30-40 point outburst would he be a coaches pick to be an all star??
-I hear that Jamil Wilson and CJ Williams 45 days on the main squad/2-way deals might have them back on the G League affiliate. No way you send those two back, they're keepers. Brice and Wes should be trade bait before this happens
Beside these injuries we could be trending in the right direction depending on how we maneuver these two team wise decisions over the next month or so.
Re: Lou Williams & The 2 way contract player conundrums
Posted: Tue Jan 2, 2018 8:20 am
by Captain Ballmer
I think Lou Williams is a keeper. We all had bias about Lou's game before season even started and we have every right to do so after all those years witnessing Jamal's ineffective chucking style. Every label those two players have was the same, some kind of copycat.
Then the season starts and we saw what game Lou has under his belt.He's not like Jamal at all. He's not forcing positions like jamal's 5-7 seconds of crossovers, no contested jumpers over and over again. He actually reads defences, trying to find mismatches, willing pass to open man, keep the game flow up. He's different than Jamal, effective than Jamal and definitely better than 2014's 6MOTY version of Jamal Crawford at the moment.
I don't know his past so much but so far so good i'm impressed big time and my bias about him just melted away. He's not forcing, he is just leading. The shot he takes is what games gives him. And most of our starters respects his game so they constantly look for him in the clutch moment. He's good for youngers too to take pressure on them when the shotclock is thicking. He keeps game closer so Clippers stays competitive untill most of games' 4th quarters even when we play suck in a good fashion.
I think Lou is the best asset we took in that Cp3 trade. I will be happy to have him moving forward for a lot like Jamal's contract in last summer. 3/45 last year team option.
Re: Lou Williams & The 2 way contract player conundrums
Posted: Tue Jan 2, 2018 10:43 am
by QRich3
Lou was never anything close to Jamal. But we do need to trade him if there's anything decent on the table for him. He's playing great but we need to be looking at the next decade, not the next postseason or the season after that. That was one the things they stressed the most when Winger and West came in, and I'm convinced they will look at it that way.
Of course, if everything that's on the table is a 2nd and a bad contract, it's best to keep him and try to re-sign him for cheap, but there'll be teams trying to win now that are gonna offer more than that, I think.
Re: Lou Williams & The 2 way contract player conundrums
Posted: Wed Jan 3, 2018 12:11 am
by esqtvd
I agree Lou's been an idealized version of Jamal and his shots seem so much more in the flow of the offense. But he's having a career year--lifetime, his numbers are the pretty much identical to Jamal's
LW: 13.2 ppg/42%/35% with 2.1 rpg/3.0 apg
JC: 15.2 ppg/41%/35% with 2.3 rpg/3.5 apg
Also, at 6'5", Jamal could defend 3 positions badly whereas at 6', Lou can only defend one badly.
I do prefer the Lou of this year [so far*] over any of Jamal's years here, but I'm not ready to spit on Jamal's grave. He won us a lot of games.
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*I mean, Lou's out of his mind right now.
21.4 ppg, 44%/41%
What's not to like--as long as the ball keeps going in? But give us last year's numbers in HOU
14.9 ppg, 39%/32%
and "chucker" Jamal's 12.3 ppg/41%/36% from last year don't look so bad after all.
Re: Lou Williams & The 2 way contract player conundrums
Posted: Wed Jan 3, 2018 3:50 am
by donemilio21
I think we don't do any trades until February.
You can always waive Brice Johnson and swallow the $1 million he is owed to open up a roster spot.
Bobby Marks' Thoughts
Posted: Wed Jan 3, 2018 5:40 am
by Ranma
Clemenza wrote:I hear that Jamil Wilson and CJ Williams 45 days on the main squad/2-way deals might have them back on the G League affiliate. No way you send those two back, they're keepers. Brice and Wes should be trade bait before this happens
Marks on Sweet Lou
Posted: Wed Jan 3, 2018 5:55 am
by Ranma
Re: Lou Williams & The 2 way contract player conundrums
Posted: Wed Jan 3, 2018 6:23 am
by Clemenza
QRich3 wrote:Lou was never anything close to Jamal. But we do need to trade him if there's anything decent on the table for him. He's playing great but we need to be looking at the next decade, not the next postseason or the season after that. That was one the things they stressed the most when Winger and West came in, and I'm convinced they will look at it that way.
Of course, if everything that's on the table is a 2nd and a bad contract, it's best to keep him and try to re-sign him for cheap, but there'll be teams trying to win now that are gonna offer more than that, I think.
He's not Paul Piece status, he's actually younger and more healthier than Chris Paul. We could sign him and he'd still be trade bait in a year or so if it came down to that. Maybe even have a team option for the third year.
Re: Lou Williams & The 2 way contract player conundrums
Posted: Wed Jan 3, 2018 9:35 am
by QRich3
Clemenza wrote:QRich3 wrote:Lou was never anything close to Jamal. But we do need to trade him if there's anything decent on the table for him. He's playing great but we need to be looking at the next decade, not the next postseason or the season after that. That was one the things they stressed the most when Winger and West came in, and I'm convinced they will look at it that way.
Of course, if everything that's on the table is a 2nd and a bad contract, it's best to keep him and try to re-sign him for cheap, but there'll be teams trying to win now that are gonna offer more than that, I think.
He's not Paul Piece status, he's actually younger and more healthier than Chris Paul. We could sign him and he'd still be trade bait in a year or so if it came down to that. Maybe even have a team option for the third year.
Yeah it's not as easy as just trade him for whatever, but I think if there's something good to get, like a decent 1st rounder, you have to trade him now. Who knows how much you'll have to re-sign him to, meaning you maybe can't trade him as easy later, or if he even wants to stay here. Not to mention he's gonna regress, he's not gonna be this good for a long stretch.
Re: Lou Williams & The 2 way contract player conundrums
Posted: Wed Jan 3, 2018 11:25 am
by esqtvd
donemilio21 wrote:I think we don't do any trades until February.
You can always waive Brice Johnson and swallow the $1 million he is owed to open up a roster spot.
I would fire anyone who would trade us anything of value for Brice Johnson.
The Clips must cut Brice and eat his contract. Our G-Leaguers are better.
To me the only question is eating WeJo's contract too. He must go, and nobody will trade for him. When we cut him, nobody will pick him up. Doc gave him every chance to resurrect his career. He lost his job to CJ, a hungry guy off the street who PLAYS hungry. WeJo plays like a guy with $20-30 million in the bank, which he pretty much does.
The Clips need to dump him just to get his lame ass out of everyone's sight.
Re: Lou Williams & The 2 way contract player conundrums
Posted: Thu Jan 4, 2018 4:55 pm
by donemilio21
esqtvd wrote:donemilio21 wrote:I think we don't do any trades until February.
You can always waive Brice Johnson and swallow the $1 million he is owed to open up a roster spot.
I would fire anyone who would trade us anything of value for Brice Johnson.
The Clips must cut Brice and eat his contract. Our G-Leaguers are better.
To me the only question is eating WeJo's contract too. He must go, and nobody will trade for him. When we cut him, nobody will pick him up. Doc gave him every chance to resurrect his career. He lost his job to CJ, a hungry guy off the street who PLAYS hungry. WeJo plays like a guy with $20-30 million in the bank, which he pretty much does.
The Clips need to dump him just to get his lame ass out of everyone's sight.
Do you think we play better without Gallo, having CJ in the lineup instead? Because I do.
Re: Lou Williams & The 2 way contract player conundrums
Posted: Thu Jan 4, 2018 5:04 pm
by JGOJustin
As much as I love CJ, there's no way you can attach a pick to get rid of Brice. Tough situation, but you may have to end up just cutting him. The Jamil situation is kind of different in that he's on a two year two way deal.
Regardless, i'm not opposed to giving Lou a deal this summer. The goal of this regime IMO is to be competitive. The Clips are still trying to build equity as a viable, perennial playoff franchise and he aids in that.
Re: Lou Williams & The 2 way contract player conundrums
Posted: Thu Jan 4, 2018 5:06 pm
by JGOJustin
donemilio21 wrote:esqtvd wrote:donemilio21 wrote:I think we don't do any trades until February.
You can always waive Brice Johnson and swallow the $1 million he is owed to open up a roster spot.
I would fire anyone who would trade us anything of value for Brice Johnson.
The Clips must cut Brice and eat his contract. Our G-Leaguers are better.
To me the only question is eating WeJo's contract too. He must go, and nobody will trade for him. When we cut him, nobody will pick him up. Doc gave him every chance to resurrect his career. He lost his job to CJ, a hungry guy off the street who PLAYS hungry. WeJo plays like a guy with $20-30 million in the bank, which he pretty much does.
The Clips need to dump him just to get his lame ass out of everyone's sight.
Do you think we play better without Gallo, having CJ in the lineup instead? Because I do.
The ceiling is higher with Gallo, and he's a better offensive player than CJ overall, so you do have another potential weapon out there with Gallo
but I like CJ a lot. He's a seamless fit and an incredible find by the FO.
Re: Lou Williams & The 2 way contract player conundrums
Posted: Thu Jan 4, 2018 8:07 pm
by esqtvd
JGOJustin wrote:donemilio21 wrote:esqtvd wrote:
I would fire anyone who would trade us anything of value for Brice Johnson.
The Clips must cut Brice and eat his contract. Our G-Leaguers are better.
To me the only question is eating WeJo's contract too. He must go, and nobody will trade for him. When we cut him, nobody will pick him up. Doc gave him every chance to resurrect his career. He lost his job to CJ, a hungry guy off the street who PLAYS hungry. WeJo plays like a guy with $20-30 million in the bank, which he pretty much does.
The Clips need to dump him just to get his lame ass out of everyone's sight.
Do you think we play better without Gallo, having CJ in the lineup instead? Because I do.
The ceiling is higher with Gallo, and he's a better offensive player than CJ overall, so you do have another potential weapon out there with Gallo
but I like CJ a lot. He's a seamless fit and an incredible find by the FO.
Jury's still out on Gallo, though the injury concern is already a real thing.
12/11/2017 Strained Glute
11/06/2017 Strained Left Glute
07/30/2017 Broken Hand
03/15/2017 Sore Knee
03/08/2017 Illness
02/02/2017 Strained Groin
01/19/2017 Sprained Right Ankle
01/11/2017 Sore Ankle
12/03/2016 Bruised Thigh
11/23/2016 Bruised Thigh
02/29/2016 Right Ankle Sprain
12/22/2015 Left Ankle Sprain
12/21/2014 Torn Right Meniscus
12/10/2014 Right Knee Contusion
10/25/2013 Sore Knee
Since we seem to be a marginal playoff team without him, at the moment I see only potential cap space if we can dump him for a Paul George or something.
As for CJ, I don't know if he's a genuine rotation player. Could be more like a Willie Green who exceeds expectations because there aren't any. I just like him better than WeJo, whose current contract is IMO actually Doc's biggest mistake as GM. He's just not a baller.
Unsung Heroes
Posted: Fri Jan 5, 2018 10:31 pm
by Ranma
Re: Lou Williams & The 2 way contract player conundrums
Posted: Fri Jan 5, 2018 11:19 pm
by Roscoe Sheed
donemilio21 wrote:esqtvd wrote:donemilio21 wrote:I think we don't do any trades until February.
You can always waive Brice Johnson and swallow the $1 million he is owed to open up a roster spot.
I would fire anyone who would trade us anything of value for Brice Johnson.
The Clips must cut Brice and eat his contract. Our G-Leaguers are better.
To me the only question is eating WeJo's contract too. He must go, and nobody will trade for him. When we cut him, nobody will pick him up. Doc gave him every chance to resurrect his career. He lost his job to CJ, a hungry guy off the street who PLAYS hungry. WeJo plays like a guy with $20-30 million in the bank, which he pretty much does.
The Clips need to dump him just to get his lame ass out of everyone's sight.
Do you think we play better without Gallo, having CJ in the lineup instead? Because I do.
We are certainly not better with cj instead of Gallinari. Cj barely belongs in the league while Gallinari is a much above average player when healthy. However as somebody once said- the best ability is availability
Re: Lou Williams & The 2 way contract player conundrums
Posted: Fri Jan 5, 2018 11:20 pm
by Roscoe Sheed
Unless the clippers get a great offer they should certainly keep Lou and extend him. He is a very good player. The main bright spot of the season actually
Re: Lou Williams & The 2 way contract player conundrums
Posted: Fri Jan 5, 2018 11:33 pm
by Hullajelolt
According to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski, the Clippers have waived two-way forward Jamil Wilson, and signed Agua Caliente Clippers guard Tyrone Wallace to a two-way deal.
I am very sad to see Wilson go, but because of the latest injuries, we needed a guard who can play. I hope we will still see Jamil in a Clippers uniform someday.
Re: Lou Williams & The 2 way contract player conundrums
Posted: Sat Jan 6, 2018 12:24 am
by Forte IV
People need to realize that if he goes unclaimed he goes to the Agua Caliente Clippers and could very well come back on 10-day deals.
Re: Lou Williams & The 2 way contract player conundrums
Posted: Sat Jan 6, 2018 1:51 am
by Roscoe Sheed
Hullajelolt wrote:According to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski, the Clippers have waived two-way forward Jamil Wilson, and signed Agua Caliente Clippers guard Tyrone Wallace to a two-way deal.
I am very sad to see Wilson go, but because of the latest injuries, we needed a guard who can play. I hope we will still see Jamil in a Clippers uniform someday.
It would be a shame if they lost Jamil. He can actually serve a purpose for the team. I thought Brice would eventually develop but you can’t wait any longer. Perhaps they should have just waived Brice.