The Board Man Cometh!! Kawhi Leonard Signs 3 Year (2+1), $103 Million Deal

KXKriszna · Post #161 » by **KXKriszna** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:14 am

mkwest wrote:
KXKriszna wrote:Just a quick question.
We are talking about getting Kawhi for both our picks.
But there is a rule saying that we MUST have a pick in this year's first round (if I'm correct)
So are we expecting Spurs to give us Kawhi + 18?? It seems like we would have to give much more for Spurs to accept that offer.
Or do you think there will be a 3rd team involved with pick later in first round?

The Clippers would draft for the Spurs and then finalize the trade. By drafting at 12, the Clippers fulfill their obligation to the Stepien rule and are free to trade the draft rights of 12 & 13.

That means that the fact that we draft two players today is not going to mean that we are keeping them? We can easily trade them later this offseason?
That sucks a bit bc I don't want to get myself hyped for them just to see them go a month later without playing even a minute for us...
but if Jerry West thinks it's a good idea than it must be a good idea...

nickhx2 · Post #162 » by **nickhx2** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:48 am

the trade would happen on draft night, after the picks actually occur.

Post #163 » by **mkwest** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:58 am

KXKriszna wrote:That means that the fact that we draft two players today is not going to mean that we are keeping them? We can easily trade them later this offseason?
That sucks a bit bc I don't want to get myself hyped for them just to see them go a month later without playing even a minute for us...
but if Jerry West thinks it's a good idea than it must be a good idea...

As TucsonClip said, only the future matters with draft picks. After a player is drafted, then the pick distinction disappears. We would hold a player's draft rights.

In a trade, a player's draft rights is equal to $0 in value. For the holder of the draft rights, there is a cap hold against team salary for the upcoming season. Once a drafted player is signed, he cannot be traded for 30 days.

In other words, if the Spurs were to agree to a trade with us prior to the draft, the Clippers would select who the Spurs want with our picks (which means that we don't violate the Stepien rule of having no first rounders in consecutive years) and the trade would be finalized later that night.

If the Clippers don't agree to a trade prior to drafting, then we are drafting for ourselves with the intention of keeping them.

KXKriszna · Post #164 » by **KXKriszna** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:06 am

mkwest wrote:
KXKriszna wrote:That means that the fact that we draft two players today is not going to mean that we are keeping them? We can easily trade them later this offseason?
That sucks a bit bc I don't want to get myself hyped for them just to see them go a month later without playing even a minute for us...
but if Jerry West thinks it's a good idea than it must be a good idea...

As TucsonClip said, only the future matters with draft picks. After a player is drafted, then the pick distinction disappears. We would hold a player's draft rights.

In a trade, a player's draft rights is equal to $0 in value. For the holder of the draft rights, there is a cap hold against team salary for the upcoming season. Once a drafted player is signed, he cannot be traded for 30 days.

In other words, if the Spurs were to agree to a trade with us prior to the draft, the Clippers would select who the Spurs want with our picks (which means that we don't violate the Stepien rule of having no first rounders in consecutive years) and the trade would be finalized later that night.

If the Clippers don't agree to a trade prior to drafting, then we are drafting for ourselves with the intention of keeping them.

That's great. So we will know where we're at no later than tomorrow. Either it's Kawhi, two picks, or trading up it all goes down today/tomorrow.
Next 48h (even less) are going to be amazing

nickhx2 · Post #165 » by **nickhx2** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:06 am

or very boring lol

KXKriszna · Post #166 » by **KXKriszna** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:44 am

nickhx2 wrote:or very boring lol

The pure fact of Draft happening in 15h makes this time extremely exciting for me.
But that's just me :wink:

wco81 · Post #167 » by **wco81** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:09 am

Would they do a trade without doing a medical exam on KL first?

esqtvd · Post #168 » by **esqtvd** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:30 am

FTR I don't want Kawhi at anywhere near the price he will command. He is not a leader. He's weird.

I'm fine with throwing away the 11 or 12 to get a DeRozan so we don't completly suck. I am no way good with mortgaging our future for a weirdo.

And I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the reports that Jerry West is leading the Clipper charge to get Kawhi is...

heh heh, fake news. Maybe "leaked" just to mess everyone else up.

KXKriszna · Post #169 » by **KXKriszna** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:47 am

esqtvd wrote:FTR I don't want Kawhi at anywhwere near the price he will command. He is not a leader. He's weird.
I am no way good with mortgaging our future for a weirdo.

Calling him a weirdo isn't a cool thing to do considering what actually made him act like that and what happened to him in the past...
He is not a leader I agree, but let's not descend to insulting him just bc he is silent.

I'm not happy with us chasing after him either, but the fact that he is not a leader but is an amazing player can actually be a good thing.
When we eventually get a true leader there won't be any problem with Kawhi saying that this is "his" team.

esqtvd · Post #170 » by **esqtvd** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:00 am

KXKriszna wrote:
esqtvd wrote:FTR I don't want Kawhi at anywhwere near the price he will command. He is not a leader. He's weird.
I am no way good with mortgaging our future for a weirdo.

Calling him a weirdo isn't a cool thing to do considering what actually made him act like that and what happened to him in the past...
He is not a leader I agree, but let's not descend to insulting him just bc he is silent.

oh gimme a break bruh
don't PC me
just don't, OK?

I'm sure Kawhi's a very nice person
but put on the scale of sports-weird

in the context of being a teammate and team member, in the context of trading our entire future for him
what he's done is world-class weird

so I don't want him on the Clippers
speaking either as a fan or teammate

if the man doesn't want to play for personal/injury reasons, OK, I can hang with that
but show up to the arena in a suit and cheer on your team
which is paying you $19M US dollars to do nothing

weirdo
I don't want him

Post #171 » by **QRich3** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:59 am

I think it's weirder to be this judgemental on a situation none of us really have a clue about, other than vague 3rd hand reports, some gossip, and a lot of assumptions.

Kawhi's injury is supposed to be very similar to the quad injury Blake had, only with some more long term risk. People love to laugh at Blake's decline and how overpaid he is and stuff, I wouldn't blame anyone for trying to take control of his career and avoid getting to that situation.

But realistically, I don't want Kawhi either.

Post #172 » by **mkwest** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:56 pm

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mttwlsn16 · Post #173 » by **mttwlsn16** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:52 pm

Good. F the lakers

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Ranma · Post #174 » by **Ranma** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:48 pm

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Ranma · Post #175 » by **Ranma** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:54 pm

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Ranma · Post #176 » by **Ranma** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:29 am

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Post #177 » by **mkwest** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:14 am

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esqtvd · Post #178 » by **esqtvd** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:42 am

mkwest wrote:

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weird

Bowen said during the radio interview, "First, it was, 'Well, I was misdiagnosed.' Look here: You got $18 million this year, and you think that they're trying to rush you? You didn't play for the most part a full season this year. And you're the go-to guy, you're the franchise, and you want to say that they didn't have your best interest at heart? Are you kidding me?"

"Not one time has Kawhi come out and said anything to the effect of, 'You know what, hey, I really enjoy being in San Antonio.' Or, 'I can't stand what's going on here in San Antonio,'" Bowen added. "Not one time has he said anything."

"As a player, if I'm a leader of a team, my team goes on the road in the playoffs, I'm with my guys," Bowen said. "Because that's what it's all about. It's about camaraderie. It's about fellowship. It's a brotherhood. When that didn't happen, it's all kinds of sirens and alarm signals that says to me, 'Is this person fully vested?' ... I don't want to take on a player who's not willing to support his guys during the course of their time needing him."

"I think he's getting bad advice," Bowen said. "I think what you're starting to see now is an individual given a certain amount of advice, and it's not the right advice."

Ranma · Post #179 » by **Ranma** » Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:19 am

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MartinToVaught · Post #180 » by **MartinToVaught** » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:34 pm

The Spurs aren't being petty, they're being smart. You can't set a precedent to your current and future players that they can quit on their team while under contract and still get their way.