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Posted: **Wed Aug 1, 2018 7:06 am**

Mines would be:

PG Pat Bev - SGA
SG Bradley - Lou Will
SF Tobi Harris - Prince Luc
PF Gallo - Mike Scott
C Polish Hammer - Trezz

What's yours?

Posted: **Wed Aug 1, 2018 8:27 pm**

I guess the question is whether it's to start the year or by the end of the year. You definitely want SGA starting by the end, but throwing him in the deep end in October probably isn't wise. [That's where Milos comes in.]

You'd also like to see Jerome crack the rotation by the All-Star break.

You'd definitely like to get something in trade for Avery at some point, and for me a key question is whether Pat Bev is part of our future. I love the guy's spirit to death, but OTOH he's a small 6'0"-6'1", a PG who can't P and a SG who can't S. Unless he surprises us with plus skills at one or the other, as an upcoming UFA, you can't pass up any reasonable offer.

As for Scott and Luc, they're not the future, so you'd really hope somebody steps up and grabs their minutes. Same with Gortat. Unfortunately, the only candidates are Dekker and the 2 two-way guys, Delgado and Motley, longshots all.

Posted: **Wed Aug 1, 2018 9:58 pm**

I think Milos and Bobie need to be worked in somehow depending on match ups. If they aren’t playing a very athletic team they could be effective

Posted: **Wed Aug 1, 2018 10:06 pm**

Bobi should be the last 2 minutes of the 3rd, first 4 minutes of the 4th guy. He was unstoppable when we started doing that.

Posted: **Wed Aug 1, 2018 10:35 pm**

Forte IV wrote:Bobi should be the last 2 minutes of the 3rd, first 4 minutes of the 4th guy. He was unstoppable when we started doing that.

But this is how you counter him.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-the-most-efficient-scorer-in-nba-history-is-stuck-on-the-bench/

Both sides of the double-edged sword were on display during the Pistons’ loss in Miami Wednesday night, a game in which Marjanovic got his fifth career start while one-time All-Star Andre Drummond sat out with a rib injury. Marjanovic displayed his usual soft touch around the basket, finishing with 15 points on 5-of-8 shooting and nine rebounds in just 22 minutes. That production is in line with his career 1.62 points per shot attempt.

Still, even with that sort of offensive firepower, the Heat — who drilled 17 threes, tied for the most Detroit’s allowed all season — were able to chase Boban off the floor whenever they downsized by playing Kelly Olynyk at center. In fact, Olynyk reeled off eight consecutive points to put Miami on an 8-0 run within two minutes of that shift; the run prompted Pistons coach Stan Van Gundy to call time and subsequently limit Marjanovic’s minutes to whenever Olynyk wasn’t playing at the 5.

...

[H]is situation as a historically efficient scorer who still doesn’t see consistent playing time also speaks to how the abundance of perimeter shooting in today’s NBA has made life nearly impossible for rim-protecting 7-footers who lack the mobility to come out and defend past the free-throw line.

“It’s tough, because you’re dealing with a lot of guys who can really stretch the floor, and you’ve got to be able to defend out to 25 feet,” Van Gundy said of Marjanovic, who just broke the 100-minute mark for the season Wednesday and has yet to play 1,000 career minutes in three seasons. “He’s worked hard at [improving his lateral footwork], so I’m confident in him being able to play against a lot of people. But when you get really far away from the basket, it’s a little tough on him.”

A few numbers highlight how much Marjanovic struggles with perimeter-oriented bigs. So far this season, he is defending 14 midrange and 3-point tries per 100 shot attempts, the most in the NBA among the 365 players who’ve contested at least 30 such shots so far, according to Second Spectrum. Exacerbating the issue even more: Players are shooting about 15 effective field-goal percentage points better than expected against him from that range, according to Second Spectrum data, the worst gap of any center in the league to this point.

Posted: **Thu Aug 2, 2018 7:29 pm**

esqtvd wrote:I guess the question is whether it's to start the year or by the end of the year. You definitely want SGA starting by the end, but throwing him in the deep end in October probably isn't wise. [That's where Milos comes in.]

You'd also like to see Jerome crack the rotation by the All-Star break.

You'd definitely like to get something in trade for Avery at some point, and for me a key question is whether Pat Bev is part of our future. I love the guy's spirit to death, but OTOH he's a small 6'0"-6'1", a PG who can't P and a SG who can't S. Unless he surprises us with plus skills at one or the other, as an upcoming UFA, you can't pass up any reasonable offer.

As for Scott and Luc, they're not the future, so you'd really hope somebody steps up and grabs their minutes. Same with Gortat. Unfortunately, the only candidates are Dekker and the 2 two-way guys, Delgado and Motley, longshots all.

Yes, I'm talking about beginning of season. Obviously Milos is the veteran, but just for my personal enjoyment, I want to SGA get mins. But knowing Doc, it may not happen early on.

Posted: **Thu Aug 2, 2018 7:52 pm**

SGA/ Bev
Lou/ Jerome
Luc
Tobias
Trezzy/Boban

To end the season.

Ideally...imo.
We trade Bev. We trade Gallo and Jerome takes a step forward and steals the starting spot from Lou or steals minutes from Lou and Lou falls back and says he loves being a 6th man.

This season is about the young guys taking a step forward and getting their NBA wheels under them.

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Posted: **Thu Aug 2, 2018 7:52 pm**

illastrate wrote:
Yes, I'm talking about beginning of season. Obviously Milos is the veteran, but just for my personal enjoyment, I want to SGA get mins. But knowing Doc, it may not happen early on.

I'm not a Milos fan because of his D, and in fact his TOs are pretty high [3.1 TOs per 36 minutes]. I didn't really want him back. It shouldn't be hard for Shai to wrest his minutes away, but if he struggles, you don't want to have to leave him out there floundering, so I ended up being OK with bringing Milos back as a security blanket.

[Based on his SL play, we sure don't want Jawun out there.]

So I sure agree, I want to see SGA!

Posted: **Thu Aug 2, 2018 9:10 pm**

Milos is great. Even with the lack of D, the way the ball moved with him on the floor speaks volumes about his play style. He's probably the reason Trez is the statistical anomaly he is. QuakeGriffin knows what's up with the lineups!

Pat Bev/SGA
Jerome Robinson/ Lou
Luc/Gallo
Tobias/Mike Scott
Gortat/Trezz

BUT, to finish the game... a lineup of:
SGA
Lou
Gallo
Tobias
Luc
would be awesome. I trust Luc at the 5 (more than Trez or Gortat.. and yeah Bobi) if we're going small. The reason I put Jerome with Pat is because Pat doesn't have a great ability to set others up, penetrate etc. He's more of a 3 and D guard. He needs a Jerome, Lou, or SGA with him. SGA and Lou would be nice because SGA would really maximize the bench's value and get them the best looks. I put Jerome with Pat because you could tell Jerome was very unselfish and let the game come to him during the summer league, but also that he could run point if you needed him to. Perfect pairing along with all the combo positions in the starting 5 who can handle the ball relatively well on their own. Gallo and Tobias could probably run the point better than Bev.. You need a smart PG to go along with Trezz. Regardless of what Trezz might think of himself, a big's stellar play often has a lot to do with who's setting him up. Although I like Avery, Gallo, and Bev, I'm not opposed to trading them to make room for Milos in the rotation or bring in another serviceable SF/PF. Although I really hope we keep Gallo. Injuries and everything aside he's really good. We gave CP3 and Blake Griffin so many tries to play healthy seasons... let's give Gallo another shot lol.

Posted: **Fri Aug 3, 2018 12:00 am**

esqtvd wrote:
illastrate wrote:
Yes, I'm talking about beginning of season. Obviously Milos is the veteran, but just for my personal enjoyment, I want to SGA get mins. But knowing Doc, it may not happen early on.

I'm not a Milos fan because of his D, and in fact his TOs are pretty high [3.1 TOs per 36 minutes]. I didn't really want him back. It shouldn't be hard for Shai to wrest his minutes away, but if he struggles, you don't want to have to leave him out there floundering, so I ended up being OK with bringing Milos back as a security blanket.

[Based on his SL play, we sure don't want Jawun out there.]

So I sure agree, I want to see SGA!

Milos will miss half the season anyway. And Bev will miss a chunk because the guy always gets injured from playing too hard. Avery is a wildcard healthwise. There will be ample opportunity for SGA and perhaps even Jerome.

Posted: **Fri Aug 3, 2018 5:15 am**

To start the season, I'd like to see something like:

PG: Milos (23)
SG: Bradley (25)
SF: Harris (34)
PF: Gallo (30)
CE: Gortat (20)

6th: Lou (28)
7th: Trez (25)
8th: SEGA (20)
9th: Beverly (20)
10th: Scott (15)

Posted: **Fri Aug 3, 2018 3:46 pm**

ejftw wrote:To start the season, I'd like to see something like:

PG: Milos (23)
SG: Bradley (25)
SF: Harris (34)
PF: Gallo (30)
CE: Gortat (20)

6th: Lou (28)
7th: Trez (25)
8th: SEGA (20)
9th: Beverly (20)
10th: Scott (15)

Jerome????

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Posted: **Fri Aug 3, 2018 10:01 pm**

Quake Griffin wrote:
ejftw wrote:To start the season, I'd like to see something like:

PG: Milos (23)
SG: Bradley (25)
SF: Harris (34)
PF: Gallo (30)
CE: Gortat (20)

6th: Lou (28)
7th: Trez (25)
8th: SEGA (20)
9th: Beverly (20)
10th: Scott (15)

Jerome????

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Tough to exclude him but you'd have to think that the goal is going to be playoffs from the get go, and either SEGA or Jerome will get the brunt end of it.

Posted: **Sat Aug 4, 2018 7:35 am**

Quake Griffin wrote:
ejftw wrote:To start the season, I'd like to see something like:

PG: Milos (23)
SG: Bradley (25)
SF: Harris (34)
PF: Gallo (30)
CE: Gortat (20)

6th: Lou (28)
7th: Trez (25)
8th: SEGA (20)
9th: Beverly (20)
10th: Scott (15)

Jerome????

Props to ejftw--I like breaking these things down by minutes. And it all adds up to 240!

Well done. :wink:

Quake is of course correct--Jerome is gonna have to get some burn. But ejftw might be also right, that at first Jerome might be the odd man out if he can't hit the ground running. Avery and Pat Bev are the real thing--NBA playoff rotation-worthy pros. You just don't diss worthy vets and make a joke of the game by handing some kid minutes he didn't earn just because of where he was drafted.

That crap is definitely not going to happen on Doc's watch, anyway. The decision has been made by Ballmer and West: This is gonna be run as a pro team, not as an academy.

I pretty much agree with ejftw's chart plus-or-minus 5 minutes: Harris and Gallo [as long as he lasts] right there, more for Pat, Avery and Gortat. Dunno if Trezz can be effective past 20 minutes or Milos more than 15 or so, and I have no idea what Scott can do. I think Luc will get first crack at those minutes.

Dunno if SGA can even earn 20 mpg right out of the box although I certainly hope and pray he's at 25+ mpg by season's end. But I think he'll have some foul trouble at first and probably some fatigue after getting banged around by grown men. Hell, Pat Bev's gonna beat his ass in practice! Welcome to the NBA, kid.

And Lou is Lou. He's gonna do what it takes, give whatever it takes to win. A lot of shots went in last year hat didn't go in when he was traded from the Lakers to the Rockets. I just hope his luck holds.

Posted: **Sat Aug 4, 2018 4:04 pm**

ejftw wrote:To start the season, I'd like to see something like:

PG: Milos (23)
SG: Bradley (25)
SF: Harris (34)
PF: Gallo (30)
CE: Gortat (20)

6th: Lou (28)
7th: Trez (25)
8th: SEGA (20)
9th: Beverly (20)
10th: Scott (15)

This makes sense, my only qualm is the issue we've been wondering about this whole off-season, you have 116 minutes for PG's and SG's, that means 20 mpg is going to have one of these guys at SF: Milos, Bradley, Lou, SGA, Beverley, and NONE of them are even big SG's, let alone SF's.

I do think the team is going to aim for the playoffs, but I don't think it is going to be able to happen. Going by last season, the minimum wins needed is about 47 wins, but this season we also add the Lakers and Grizzlies into the mix, and Denver who had 46 wins, if they are healthier as well as adding their internal improvement can certainly win more than that, also swapping Kawhi for DeRozan makes the Spurs healthier, and DeRozan has his playoff faults, but in the regular season, he's shown he can help a team win 55+ games, and with Pop as the coach, Spurs are likely winning mid to high 50's now. So Warriors, Rockets, Spurs, Jazz, Thunder, Lakers all have a good chance (first 3 are basically shoe-ins). Then we have the Blazers, Nuggets, Pelicans, T-Wolves, and then the Grizzlies and Mavericks are technically also going to be fighting for spots. So that's a total of 12 teams before we even add the Clippers, so 13 total teams that are trying to get those 8 spots, and probably 3 of those spots are really already locks, so we have 5 spots and 10 teams. I can't really say the Clippers are or should definitively be better than 5 of those teams.

My thoughts on the 10 man rotation, I really don't know, I'll do more of what I'm thinking might happen at the start of the season as opposed to my ideal

PG: Milos Teodosic (17) / Patrick Beverley (18) / SGA (13)
SG: Avery Bradley (15) / Lou Williams (25) / Patrick Beverley (8)
SF: Tobias Harris (25) / Luc Mbah A Moute (15) / Avery Bradley (8)
PF: Danilo Gallinari (28) / Tobias Harris (7) / Mike Scott (13)
C: Marcin Gortat (21.3) / Montrezl Harrell (25) / Boban Marjanovic (1.7 - about 5 mins every third game)

I think SGA could have some games where he doesn't play, not too often, but it will boost up the other guys per game numbers. Doc will have guard pairs that he will likely look to play together, I see those pairs as Beverley/Williams and Teodosic/Bradley which is what keeps Beverley off the bench. We could also see SGA start but come out early. If Luc isn't in the rotation, which would suck for him as he could have taken a bit less and been a starter in Houston, then that opens up some extra minutes.

Posted: **Sat Aug 4, 2018 9:19 pm**

I guess the idea of people not liking Jerome at the draft is playing out here ITT but I can't imagine this group views him the same way as the FO and possibly the coaches do.

Posted: **Sat Aug 4, 2018 11:41 pm**

Would love

Beverly/SGA
Bradley/Williams
Gallo/Robinson
Harris/Scott
Gortat/Harrell

Robinson has to get stronger

Posted: **Sun Aug 5, 2018 2:11 am**

Quake Griffin wrote:I guess the idea of people not liking Jerome at the draft is playing out here ITT but I can't imagine this group views him the same way as the FO and possibly the coaches do.

I have no issue with him, I just don't see how the team can make room for 6 PG/SG's in the rotation without making anyone angry, so unless and until a trade happens, I don't see how both rookies can get in the rotation.

Posted: **Sun Aug 5, 2018 10:55 pm**

og15 wrote:
ejftw wrote:To start the season, I'd like to see something like:

PG: Milos (23)
SG: Bradley (25)
SF: Harris (34)
PF: Gallo (30)
CE: Gortat (20)

6th: Lou (28)
7th: Trez (25)
8th: SEGA (20)
9th: Beverly (20)
10th: Scott (15)

This makes sense, my only qualm is the issue we've been wondering about this whole off-season, you have 116 minutes for PG's and SG's, that means 20 mpg is going to have one of these guys at SF: Milos, Bradley, Lou, SGA, Beverley, and NONE of them are even big SG's, let alone SF's.

I do think the team is going to aim for the playoffs, but I don't think it is going to be able to happen. Going by last season, the minimum wins needed is about 47 wins, but this season we also add the Lakers and Grizzlies into the mix, and Denver who had 46 wins, if they are healthier as well as adding their internal improvement can certainly win more than that, also swapping Kawhi for DeRozan makes the Spurs healthier, and DeRozan has his playoff faults, but in the regular season, he's shown he can help a team win 55+ games, and with Pop as the coach, Spurs are likely winning mid to high 50's now. So Warriors, Rockets, Spurs, Jazz, Thunder, Lakers all have a good chance (first 3 are basically shoe-ins). Then we have the Blazers, Nuggets, Pelicans, T-Wolves, and then the Grizzlies and Mavericks are technically also going to be fighting for spots. So that's a total of 12 teams before we even add the Clippers, so 13 total teams that are trying to get those 8 spots, and probably 3 of those spots are really already locks, so we have 5 spots and 10 teams. I can't really say the Clippers are or should definitively be better than 5 of those teams.

My thoughts on the 10 man rotation, I really don't know, I'll do more of what I'm thinking might happen at the start of the season as opposed to my ideal

PG: Milos Teodosic (17) / Patrick Beverley (18) / SGA (13)
SG: Avery Bradley (15) / Lou Williams (25) / Patrick Beverley (8)
SF: Tobias Harris (25) / Luc Mbah A Moute (15) / Avery Bradley (8)
PF: Danilo Gallinari (28) / Tobias Harris (7) / Mike Scott (13)
C: Marcin Gortat (21.3) / Montrezl Harrell (25) / Boban Marjanovic (1.7 - about 5 mins every third game)

I think SGA could have some games where he doesn't play, not too often, but it will boost up the other guys per game numbers. Doc will have guard pairs that he will likely look to play together, I see those pairs as Beverley/Williams and Teodosic/Bradley which is what keeps Beverley off the bench. We could also see SGA start but come out early. If Luc isn't in the rotation, which would suck for him as he could have taken a bit less and been a starter in Houston, then that opens up some extra minutes.

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Posted: **Sun Aug 5, 2018 11:21 pm**

heh

I said 35 wins here the other day

I din't want to keep him but
we will miss DJ

TheNewEra wrote:Would love

Beverly/SGA
Bradley/Williams
Gallo/Robinson
Harris/Scott
Gortat/Harrell

Robinson has to get stronger

FTR, Harris and Robinson [if he can hack it] would be at the 3
Gallo and Scott at PF
with Luc picking up minutes at both
last year acc to BB Ref, Luc played 68% of his minutes at the 4

Mike Scott 8% of his minutes at C

BTW, Gortat and Scott played 237 minutes together last year for a +1.8 per 100 possessions

https://stats.nba.com/lineups/advanced/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612764&GroupQuantity=2

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