Game 42: Los Angeles Clippers (24-17) @ Detroit Pistons (17-23) 12:30 PM PT

[esqtvd]

As long as Doc Rivers is still on the team, the Clippers are stuck with the "bad franchise" label.

or not

https://clipperholics.com/2019/01/11/jimmy-butler-wants-to-team-up-with-kawhi-on-the-clippers/

[TheNewEra]

Starters need to change enough wasting time already.

-Beverly and Bradley is a no go
-We tried Boban over Gortat
-We are not going to bench Harris or Gallonari

Hmmmm so who’s the ex factor for change?

you can put Beverley in for Avery but that might not be much of a difference
and the Beverley-Lou combo is keeping us in games

you can try Wallace but his lack of a shot over 10 feet will destroy the spacing
it's not that Avery's good it's that the alternatives are not appealing either

Then sit Bradley a few games and play a shooter like Milo or Jerome with Williams and Wallace. It’s not time for more excuses for these slow starts we have enough depth to stop sitting on our hands doing nothing.

We’ve done everything else but give DNPs to our worse offensive player.

[esqtvd]

Starters need to change enough wasting time already.

-Beverly and Bradley is a no go
-We tried Boban over Gortat
-We are not going to bench Harris or Gallonari

Hmmmm so who’s the ex factor for change?

you can put Beverley in for Avery but that might not be much of a difference
and the Beverley-Lou combo is keeping us in games

you can try Wallace but his lack of a shot over 10 feet will destroy the spacing
it's not that Avery's good it's that the alternatives are not appealing either

Then sit Bradley a few games and play a shooter like Milo or Jerome with Williams and Wallace. It’s not time for more excuses for these slow starts we have enough depth to stop sitting on our hands doing nothing.

We’ve done everything else but give DNPs to our worse offensive player.

I'd agree with you except the problem has been defense

we gave up 37 points in the first Q and that's why we lost
we won the other 3 quarters

[TheNewEra]

you can put Beverley in for Avery but that might not be much of a difference
and the Beverley-Lou combo is keeping us in games

you can try Wallace but his lack of a shot over 10 feet will destroy the spacing
it's not that Avery's good it's that the alternatives are not appealing either

Then sit Bradley a few games and play a shooter like Milo or Jerome with Williams and Wallace. It’s not time for more excuses for these slow starts we have enough depth to stop sitting on our hands doing nothing.

We’ve done everything else but give DNPs to our worse offensive player.

I'd agree with you except the problem has been defense

we gave up 37 points in the first Q and that's why we lost
we won the other 3 quarters

Which makes matters worse. You can play that poorly on offense and not be placeholder starter or defensive anchor. Draymond can be crap shooting because he can anchor the defense and be a playmaker. When Bradley struggles it’s doughnuts across the board and he’s a guard so he can’t even help protect the paint.

If the defense sucks and he’s not able to spread his impact across the floor and doesn’t provide other stat fillers what’s the point?

[esqtvd]

Then sit Bradley a few games and play a shooter like Milo or Jerome with Williams and Wallace. It’s not time for more excuses for these slow starts we have enough depth to stop sitting on our hands doing nothing.

We’ve done everything else but give DNPs to our worse offensive player.

I'd agree with you except the problem has been defense

we gave up 37 points in the first Q and that's why we lost
we won the other 3 quarters

Which makes matters worse. You can play that poorly on offense and not be placeholder starter or defensive anchor. Draymond can be crap shooting because he can anchor the defense and be a playmaker. When Bradley struggles it’s doughnuts across the board and he’s a guard so he can’t even help protect the paint.

If the defense sucks and he’s not able to spread his impact across the floor and doesn’t provide other stat fillers what’s the point?

Shai hasn't been impressive either, Gortat's a stiff, and today the biggest problem was that Tobias scored 11 points and was a team-worst minus-17.

It's impossible to argue that Bradley's been a plus but the real problem is the alternatives aren't promising either. Putting a scorer out there is not the solution to the real problem.

At one point, Avery was on the brink of turning it around but admittedly has regressed again over the past 2 weeks. But Beverley was just as bad in the beginning of the season and now the investment in him is paying off. He looks good, is humping, and is one of the few besides Lou and Trezz supplying any fire.

But is it time to pull the plug on Bradley? Maybe, sure. But the investment in Pat Bev--who looked just as bad at one point--paid off. And Bradley hit the pine with 4 minutes left in the 3rd today and didn't get any more minutes. That was probably a first. Maybe the plug is coming out of the wall.

[Roscoe Sheed]

I don’t understand what happened to Bradley’s offensive game. He used to be above average but now he is one of the worst offensive players in the nba

[TheNewEra]

I'd agree with you except the problem has been defense

we gave up 37 points in the first Q and that's why we lost
we won the other 3 quarters

Which makes matters worse. You can play that poorly on offense and not be placeholder starter or defensive anchor. Draymond can be crap shooting because he can anchor the defense and be a playmaker. When Bradley struggles it’s doughnuts across the board and he’s a guard so he can’t even help protect the paint.

If the defense sucks and he’s not able to spread his impact across the floor and doesn’t provide other stat fillers what’s the point?

Shai hasn't been impressive either, Gortat's a stiff, and today the biggest problem was that Tobias scored 11 points and was a team-worst minus-17.

It's impossible to argue that Bradley's been a plus but the real problem is the alternatives aren't promising either. Putting a scorer out there is not the solution to the real problem.

At one point, Avery was on the brink of turning it around but admittedly has regressed again over the past 2 weeks. But Beverley was just as bad in the beginning of the season and now the investment in him is paying off. He looks good, is humping, and is one of the few besides Lou and Trezz supplying any fire.

But is it time to pull the plug on Bradley? Maybe, sure. But the investment in Pat Bev--who looked just as bad at one point--paid off. And Bradley hit the pine with 4 minutes left in the 3rd today and didn't get any more minutes. That was probably a first. Maybe the plug is coming out of the wall.

Beverly was never this bad consistently and Bradley started the season struggling and still has yet to have a consistent stride.

Another thing Beverly as a player is more experienced in getting himself into the game to make a impact. Beverly if having a bad game will still get you some extra rebounds, assists, annoy the other player, and push the tempo as a ball handler.

Don’t think it’s even up for debate Beverly is the superior player to Bradley

[TheNewEra]

I don’t understand what happened to Bradley’s offensive game. He used to be above average but now he is one of the worst offensive players in the nba

Been struggling for some year I think the Celtics saw it coming

[esqtvd]

Which makes matters worse. You can play that poorly on offense and not be placeholder starter or defensive anchor. Draymond can be crap shooting because he can anchor the defense and be a playmaker. When Bradley struggles it’s doughnuts across the board and he’s a guard so he can’t even help protect the paint.

If the defense sucks and he’s not able to spread his impact across the floor and doesn’t provide other stat fillers what’s the point?

Shai hasn't been impressive either, Gortat's a stiff, and today the biggest problem was that Tobias scored 11 points and was a team-worst minus-17.

It's impossible to argue that Bradley's been a plus but the real problem is the alternatives aren't promising either. Putting a scorer out there is not the solution to the real problem.

At one point, Avery was on the brink of turning it around but admittedly has regressed again over the past 2 weeks. But Beverley was just as bad in the beginning of the season and now the investment in him is paying off. He looks good, is humping, and is one of the few besides Lou and Trezz supplying any fire.

But is it time to pull the plug on Bradley? Maybe, sure. But the investment in Pat Bev--who looked just as bad at one point--paid off. And Bradley hit the pine with 4 minutes left in the 3rd today and didn't get any more minutes. That was probably a first. Maybe the plug is coming out of the wall.

Beverly was never this bad consistently and Bradley started the season struggling and still has yet to have a consistent stride.

Another thing Beverly as a player is more experienced in getting himself into the game to make a impact. Beverly if having a bad game will still get you some extra rebounds, assists, annoy the other player, and push the tempo as a ball handler.

Don’t think it’s even up for debate Beverly is the superior player to Bradley

oh I think [until this season and at this moment] it certainly was

each made the All-Def team [first team 1x, 2nd team 1x]

best season:

AB 16.3 ppg/6.1 rpg/2.2 apg
PB 9.5 ppg/5.5 rpg/4.2 apg

I'm content to say that coming into this season they were comparable



and Pat's still only averaging 6.7/3.7/3.3 in 24 minutes
his FG efficency's up but the production is flat

I don’t understand what happened to Bradley’s offensive game. He used to be above average but now he is one of the worst offensive players in the nba

this was only 2 years ago

16.3 ppg/6.1 rpg/2.2 apg


it's why he's been given so much rope
but obviously he's not back from injury
some people never get it back

[esqtvd]

I don’t understand what happened to Bradley’s offensive game. He used to be above average but now he is one of the worst offensive players in the nba

Been struggling for some year I think the Celtics saw it coming

Maybe, but the conventional wisdom is that Bradley's contract was up the next year and he was gonna hit a big payday if he improved on his

16.3 ppg/6.1 rpg/2.2 apg

of 2016-17. And Marcus Morris, for whom he was traded, had 2 years to run and turned out to be quite an asset, all for a lousy $6M a year.


Bradley did OK for Detroit until he got hurt. In 40 games, he averaged 15 points a game and shot 41%/38%. I don't think anybody thought he would struggle so badly coming back from this injury [abdominal/sports hernia].

Hey, sometimes people just lose it. A pitcher can't throw strikes, a guy can't find the hoop. But I've often seen someone be toejam in the year following a major injury, yet come back the year after much restored. This old list of people who were "washed up" is interesting. Many of them bounced back, although not all the way.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2168742-15-athletes-who-have-lost-their-magic#slide14

[mkwest]

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[stoo]

I guess accepting the fact that Clippers are wining more games with Milos and Boban on the floor wouldn't be deadly

[Ranma]

I don’t understand what happened to Bradley’s offensive game. He used to be above average but now he is one of the worst offensive players in the nba

Part of the appeal for me with acquiring Bradley was that I thought he could revert back to his former self and having Doc would help him along the way in that regard, however, Doc has taken it too far as he usually does. Part of the reason why players love playing for Doc is loyalty. He provides it to favorite players just to encourage others to play hard for him and provide their loyalties to him. It's the basis of his cronyism network.

Austin Rivers, Jamal Crawford, Paul Pierce, Jeff Green and now Avery Bradley were given favored status at the expense of the team. Byron Mullens, Antawn Jamison and Josh Smith were given extendedly long leashes to recapture the form that fascinated Doc while Jared Dudley and Matt Barnes were stabbed in the back at the first opportunity.

It bothers me to no end that his loyalties to his cronies, family, former players and even the Celtics in some regards come at the expense of the Clippers who are paying him quite well to get us to play the best basketball that we're capable of playing, which he has not. Guiding us through the turmoil of the Sterling scandal was a noteworthy feather in his cap but he's been well-compensated for that, especially when you consider all the assets and opportunities he squandered as President of Basketball Operations.

At what point is Doc going to be held accountable for failing to do what he's supposed to do?

[esqtvd]

Austin's playing better than any of our current guards except Lou
I guess D'Antoni's his uncle or something

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6617/austin-rivers


and Antawn Jameson averaged 11 minutes in 22 games as a Clipper