QRich3 wrote: NippySudz wrote:
QRich3 wrote:The argument in the first page is not that he hasn't done anything or doesn't deserve to be thanked though, it's that nothing that happens there is his decision alone, and probably not many things originate as an idea of his, so we shouldn't assume he deserves ALL the credit.
The same way he said he barely did anything when he was asked about bringing those guys in, it's the same way Frank brushes away the credit given to him and says Jerry, Ballmer, Winger and them deserve all the credit, that's the extra-humble unselfish culture they have there, publicly at least. But it's been reported it was strictly Frank and Winger who were talking to OKC about George, so Jerry's role in getting George was probably just saying 'aye' in the meeting where they decided to move forward. He was however in the meeting with Kawhi at Doc's house, so I guess you can credit him with that allure to get big FA's.
But the point is none of this is just one person's merit. Screaming LOGO! after every Clippers transaction is a bit out of place imo.
I don't think that people think he gets ALL the credit. I think people think he gets the lionshare
of the credit and jerry west should. LAC was hesitant to pull the trigger on george and West said go-ahead. Not to mention, he had the balls to trade griffin. The warriors wanted to trade klay for kevin love and he said no. So yeah, lionshare of the credit is deserved.
If the blake griffin trade fell apart, he would have taken the blame. Jerry west is very critical of himself. So, he should get the praise when they make big moves.
Lets stop pretending that He's not the main piece in all of this. The other guys matter, but they don't matter as much as Jerry West. He's that integral piece. No, he's not day to day, but it doesn't matter. Jerry west forms the gameplan on intergral things, the others in the front office team executes it. That's it. They matter but the braintrust is important. As Michael Franzese (former mob boss) says "do what you do best and delegate the rest.
" give the man his credit!
Any source on the Clippers being hesitant to pull the trigger for George and him being the guy who gave the go-ahead, or just assuming cause it suits the narrative? From all I've read about the subject (and it's been quite a lot lol), there was little doubt in the whole front office about pulling the trigger. And why do you credit him with the Griffin trade? like I'm sure he was pushing for it at that point, but why do you think it was his idea alone, and not something they all agreed on, or originated from someone else? From everything that's been reported about how they work, he doesn't form the gameplan at all, that's not his job, his job is to give input about the gameplan when it's forming.
It's these sort of assumptions that annoy me, you conclude that he deserves the lion share of the credit, but it's just because he's popular and you want to believe he did everything.
Not to take anything from the guy, he's a genius and I always agree with everything that comes out of his mouth, but converting him in a deity like that is just exaggeration.
Ok, fair enough. I recalled reading something that he was the gave the go-ahead. My apologies on that I can't find that.
There was an a story in the athletic about them being hesitant. The story also indicated that Balmer stopped short at 4 picks and Doc called texted balmer saying Don't look at it as you're getting PG. Look at it as you're getting Kawhi and PG
, So Yes, there was some doubt from the front office. They have even alluded this themselves when they talked about it was difficult to trade shai.
I didn't say it was his idea ALONE. I'm saying he's the reason they decided to move on [from blake] and according to Jerry West, He was willing to accept all the fault if trading blake didn't work out.
Going through with the trade would essentially be admitting that re-signing Griffin was a mistake, an ill-conceived attempt to cling to relevance and respectability after losing Paul.
Do it anyway, West urged.
“Don’t be afraid to make that tough decision if you need to,” Ballmer recalled West telling him.
“No one wants to do that, particularly with someone like Blake Griffin,” West says now. “It was very difficult for everyone, especially Steve, because he really liked Blake personally. But this franchise was really stuck. There was nowhere for it to go. You have to figure out how far away you really are and how we can get there.”
If that view makes West cold, too, he is prepared to absorb the criticism, responding with one of his pet phrases: “What is right is not always popular, and what is popular is not always right.”
He had the ear of the owner. The owner credited him. The Franchise credited him and called him pretty much a mastermind at the Kawhi-PG press conference. Why don't the fans credit him? he deserves the lionshare of the credit. I didn't say ALL. I said the lionshare, because if it doesn't work out, Jerry west is getting the lionshare of the BLAME. Respectfully, I don't think Lawrence Frank was playing corporate politics when he called him the ‘greatest architect there is in the game.’
Where did I say he did everything?
I'm not saying West is a GOD or he's the sole reason why the clips are in the position they are in now, but He's an integral part of the organization. Jerry west doesn't rest on his reputation.
To sum it up, If Jerry West isn't a part of the clips, do you think they trade Blake?
My personal belief is no. Balmer has spoken about west fondly several times in the media and chose to say that quote to the reporter, seemingly because it must have stuck with him when he pulled the trigger to allow the deal to happen.
Just like how Goldenstate would look different if they traded Klay for Kevin Love. Bob Meyers is a great exec, but if they would have traded Kevin Love for Klay, would they have won 3 championships?
That's an example of what I mean by integral. He wasn't day to day operations, but his input was heavily valued on important issues.
I don't mean to say he's drafting guys, trading guys, signing guys, and so forth because that's not his position.