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You guys want to trade for this guy?

We need a point guard or a rim protector more.

What's up with Morris' "Defensive Rating" this year (so far)?

Yogatti wrote:We need a point guard or a rim protector more.

We need IQ, playoff performers.

Yogatti wrote:We need a point guard or a rim protector more.

What do you think of Bam Adebayo?
What would it take to get him / what would you be willing to give up for him?
How much do you pay him?

Bam Adebayo - age 22
2020 - $3,454,080
2021 - $5,115,492

50CalClips wrote:

Yogatti wrote:We need a point guard or a rim protector more.

What do you think of Bam Adebayo?
What would it take to get him / what would you be willing to give up for him?
How much do you pay him?

Bam Adebayo - age 22
2020 - $3,454,080
2021 - $5,115,492

There's no way Pat Riley is going to trade Bam Adebayo. This guy is just too good for Pat to just give him away. I hope I'm wrong because I would love to have Bam on this team. I don't know who I would give up though

Quake Griffin wrote:You guys want to trade for this guy?

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All things being equal, sure, it's a no-brainer. The Clippers brass already decided he'd be a great fit and were close to signing him this summer. MM is a cut above Harkless, who's a plus defender but a big zero on offense.

However, Harkless's big expiring contract and our 2020 FRP [even though it's gonna be crap, in the mid- to high-20s] are absolutely our last and only real trade assets, and I think it's too early to commit them to filling a need we might not actually have.

With Shamet going down just as PG came in, we haven't even put our real rotation out there for a single game yet. Which of course is why criticizing Doc or anybody for the meaningless Bulls loss was moronic. Win or lose, it affected our eventual playoff rotation and performance NADA. We had guys out there who will never even smell the court in the playoffs and were missing 4 guys--half the rotation!--who will be pulling major minutes.

Let's see who we are before we go about changing it.



https://www.latimes.com/sports/clippers/story/2019-12-15/clippers-landry-shamet-return-full-lineup

After getting Shamet back against the Bulls, in his first appearance since suffering a high ankle sprain Nov. 11, the Clippers could soon see their full rotation play together for the first time since the roster was assembled in the summer. To this point, timing and injuries have made that impossible.

All-Star forwards Kawhi Leonard and Paul George weren’t full participants in practice until early October and mid-November, respectively, while recovering from injuries. Injuries also cost reserve guard Rodney McGruder 11 games, and Shamet’s ankle kept him out for 17, with his sprain occurring just days before George’s Clippers debut.

Saturday’s 109-106 loss to the Bulls was the second consecutive game that Lou Williams (sore calf) and Patrick Beverley (concussion) watched from the bench and the fourth straight absence for JaMychal Green (bruised tailbone).

But Shamet and McGruder both returned to action during the team’s six-game trip, and the issues that sidelined Green, Beverley and Williams are not considered long term. That means a holiday gift potentially awaits coach Doc Rivers — a full lineup.

On Saturday, George said “it was great to get my first feel with [Shamet] on the floor. Look forward to all of us getting back, seeing what that is going to be like — myself, Pat, Lou, Sham, getting all us out there.”

I like Derrick Favors. Zubac has been beating most centers in our big matchups, but he got handled by Derrick Favors who had like 20/20 on a night the pelicans beat us. I've always liked Derrick Favors for the same reason I've liked Mo Harkless prior to his coming to the clippers. They both can guard superstar PFs like prime Blake Griffin when very few could. That type of defensive IQ is really going to help against AD and Giannis, who both happen to be superstar PFs.

He doesn't space much, but neither does big zu. I could see a deal involving Zu as the center piece. Especially since we already use Trez, and then have Motley and Fi waiting in line. I'm not kidding about Motley and Fi, those guys are quality depth pieces who could start and come off the bench on some good teams. But a Derrick Favors for Zubac trade would be awesome. Especially if they threw in JJ or something...

*Edit: Kyle Lowry, Jrue Holiday, and Serge Ibaka are also getting added to the wishlist. Man if we could get one of those guys, it's a wrap. With Lowry or Jrue, you would need to include Sham-wow. I think a deal centered around Sham, Zubac, and the 1st will get you a Jrue or Lowry type. Pulling off a trade like this seems like Mission Impossible, but our FO seems to Tom Cruise it pretty easily.

Hard pass on trading Zu, especially for someone as mediocre as Favors. Zu needs to play more, not get traded.

jrue would be incredible but i hate thinking about it, because i just don't see a way to get it done.

No to Morris from me, Moe adds more to this team than him, even if he might be less talented overall. The adding a pick thing is just a joke, he is not the type of guy we're gonna waste a pick in, not with this front office anyway.

Don't think there are many moves around that make a lot of sense at the time, most guys with a tradeable salary are key pieces for us, and we're not gonna sacrifice depth unless it's a no brainer, and those don't grow on trees lol. One guy I'd keep an eye on is Myles Turner, he'd be perfect for us and he seems to be the odd fit with the way the Pacers are playing this year, and with Sabonis' form. But I don't think we'd have enough to get him, even if we put some sort of Trez+Sham+Moe+pick package for them or a third team. If he goes on the market there'd be a bunch of teams willing to pay a blue chip or two, and that probably goes for all the top guys we might want. Giving so much for George hurt us for any in-season trades in the next half a decade.

No. He had his chance to come here. Plus I don't think he'll be a fit locker-room Wise . Comes off like a dick head. He made it clear thar hes not about winning. He's about his scrilla and scrilla only. That's why he turned down the clips, f the spurs and ended up on new York. Let him stay there.

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Maybe we should be looking at his teammates... Elfrid Payton. He's a triple double threat, and we could really use a player who can set the table for our stars and shooters. Also don't think his value is terribly high right now.

Don't forget about Mitchell Robinson!

MartinToVaught wrote:Hard pass on trading Zu, especially for someone as mediocre as Favors. Zu needs to play more, not get traded.

Dude. Zubac is a "promising" piece... and that's all, at this point. My expectations for Zubac have been Pau Gasol with a skyhook. But we're not getting that now, nor will we any time soon (2-3 seasons), and we don't have any time to waste.

The Clippers window is NOW.

A player like Zubac exemplifies 'trade-bait' (potential+value+age). He'll serve us best as trade-bait.

**CAVEAT: Of course, it all depends on what/who we can get for him in return. It may be best to just keep him, if the right trade is not out there. But the point is that Zubac is definitely NOT untradable.**

QRich3 wrote:And 1's: Dynamix, Max Headrom, esqtvd

No to Morris from me, Moe adds more to this team than him, even if he might be less talented overall. The adding a pick thing is just a joke, he is not the type of guy we're gonna waste a pick in, not with this front office anyway.

Don't think there are many moves around that make a lot of sense at the time, most guys with a tradeable salary are key pieces for us, and we're not gonna sacrifice depth unless it's a no brainer, and those don't grow on trees lol. One guy I'd keep an eye on is Myles Turner, he'd be perfect for us and he seems to be the odd fit with the way the Pacers are playing this year, and with Sabonis' form. But I don't think we'd have enough to get him, even if we put some sort of Trez+Sham+Moe+pick package for them or a third team. If he goes on the market there'd be a bunch of teams willing to pay a blue chip or two, and that probably goes for all the top guys we might want. Giving so much for George hurt us for any in-season trades in the next half a decade.

The fughk!?!

Myles Turner? "... put some sort of Trez+Sham+Moe+Pick package"...?!?

What am I missing here? Myles Turner is a non-rebounding, shot-blocker.

Explain yourselves: QRich3, Dynamix, Max Headrom, esqtvd

50CalClips wrote:

MartinToVaught wrote:Hard pass on trading Zu, especially for someone as mediocre as Favors. Zu needs to play more, not get traded.

Dude. Zubac is a "promising" piece... and that's all, at this point. My expectations for Zubac have been Pau Gasol with a skyhook. But we're not getting that now, nor will we any time soon (2-3 seasons), and we don't have any time to waste.

The Clippers window is NOW.

A player like Zubac exemplifies 'trade-bait' (potential+value+age). He'll serve us best as trade-bait.

**CAVEAT: Of course, it all depends on what/who we can get for him in return. It may be best to just keep him, if the right trade is not out there. But the point is that Zubac is definitely NOT untradable.**

https://www.latimes.com/sports/clippers/story/2019-12-14/short-handed-weary-clippers-lose-to-bulls-to-end-road-trip

Rivers called a timeout a little more than four minutes into the third quarter after seeing his team’s two-point halftime lead become a nine-point advantage for the Bulls.

minus-11 in 4 minutes
this is why Zubac gets no minutes in crunchtime
one bad spurt and the game is lost

Chicago’s lead was 14 by the halfway point of the quarter

minus-16 in 6 minutes

By the end of the quarter the deficit was down to five

Trezz comes in, instant plus+9


It's not that Zubac is bad. When things are going well, he's fine. He just lacks the ability to turn things around on his own, and you need all hands on deck come the playoffs. Now, there's no need to panic until we get our full team out there, but he's gotta be on the block if we have a chance to seriously upgrade. Fitty-Cal is quite right--we have a two-year window to convince KL and PG to sign here long-term, and they ain't getting any younger either. No time to futz around.

50CalClips wrote:

QRich3 wrote:And 1's: Dynamix, Max Headrom, esqtvd

No to Morris from me, Moe adds more to this team than him, even if he might be less talented overall. The adding a pick thing is just a joke, he is not the type of guy we're gonna waste a pick in, not with this front office anyway.

Don't think there are many moves around that make a lot of sense at the time, most guys with a tradeable salary are key pieces for us, and we're not gonna sacrifice depth unless it's a no brainer, and those don't grow on trees lol. One guy I'd keep an eye on is Myles Turner, he'd be perfect for us and he seems to be the odd fit with the way the Pacers are playing this year, and with Sabonis' form. But I don't think we'd have enough to get him, even if we put some sort of Trez+Sham+Moe+pick package for them or a third team. If he goes on the market there'd be a bunch of teams willing to pay a blue chip or two, and that probably goes for all the top guys we might want. Giving so much for George hurt us for any in-season trades in the next half a decade.

The fughk!?!

Myles Turner? "... put some sort of Trez+Sham+Moe+Pick package"...?!?

What am I missing here? Myles Turner is a non-rebounding, shot-blocker.

Explain yourselves: QRich3, Dynamix, Max Headrom, esqtvd

LOL

I was mostly agreeing with

Don't think there are many moves around that make a lot of sense at the time, most guys with a tradeable salary are key pieces for us, and we're not gonna sacrifice depth unless it's a no brainer, and those don't grow on trees lol.

50CalClips wrote:

MartinToVaught wrote:Hard pass on trading Zu, especially for someone as mediocre as Favors. Zu needs to play more, not get traded.

Dude. Zubac is a "promising" piece... and that's all, at this point. My expectations for Zubac have been Pau Gasol with a skyhook. But we're not getting that now, nor will we any time soon (2-3 seasons), and we don't have any time to waste.

The Clippers window is NOW.

A player like Zubac exemplifies 'trade-bait' (potential+value+age). He'll serve us best as trade-bait.

**CAVEAT: Of course, it all depends on what/who we can get for him in return. It may be best to just keep him, if the right trade is not out there. But the point is that Zubac is definitely NOT untradable.**

This is the exact mindset that ruined Lob City with shortsighted panic moves. Thankfully, our current front office doesn't operate that way.

MartinToVaught wrote:

50CalClips wrote:

MartinToVaught wrote:Hard pass on trading Zu, especially for someone as mediocre as Favors. Zu needs to play more, not get traded.

Dude. Zubac is a "promising" piece... and that's all, at this point. My expectations for Zubac have been Pau Gasol with a skyhook. But we're not getting that now, nor will we any time soon (2-3 seasons), and we don't have any time to waste.

The Clippers window is NOW.

A player like Zubac exemplifies 'trade-bait' (potential+value+age). He'll serve us best as trade-bait.

**CAVEAT: Of course, it all depends on what/who we can get for him in return. It may be best to just keep him, if the right trade is not out there. But the point is that Zubac is definitely NOT untradable.**

This is the exact mindset that ruined Lob City with shortsighted panic moves. Thankfully, our current front office doesn't operate that way.

Agreed. While we do have to impress Leonard, we don't have to go overboard. Leonard isn't thinking championship or bust. Each player that I've heard speak, talked about it's hard for a team to win in its first year together. Including Leonard iirc.

I believe they'll make whatever necessary moves to compete for now and the near future.

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MartinToVaught wrote:

50CalClips wrote:

MartinToVaught wrote:Hard pass on trading Zu, especially for someone as mediocre as Favors. Zu needs to play more, not get traded.

Dude. Zubac is a "promising" piece... and that's all, at this point. My expectations for Zubac have been Pau Gasol with a skyhook. But we're not getting that now, nor will we any time soon (2-3 seasons), and we don't have any time to waste.

The Clippers window is NOW.

A player like Zubac exemplifies 'trade-bait' (potential+value+age). He'll serve us best as trade-bait.

**CAVEAT: Of course, it all depends on what/who we can get for him in return. It may be best to just keep him, if the right trade is not out there. But the point is that Zubac is definitely NOT untradable.**

This is the exact mindset that ruined Lob City with shortsighted panic moves. Thankfully, our current front office doesn't operate that way.

WAAT.