Game 43: Los Angeles Clippers (29-13) @ New Orleans Pelicans (16-26) - 3:30 PM ET

[esqtvd]

If we look over the last 40 years, only 7 teams in that span have given up 80 pts or more in a half and went on to make it to at least a conference championship:
81-82 Lakers (won title)
83-84 Nuggets
87-88 Pistons (lost in Finals)
90-91 Blazers
17-18 Warriors (won title)
18-19 Warriors (lost in Finals)
18-19 Blazers

Curious as to how many of them scored 72 points themselves while giving up those 80. Pretty amazing

especially when you consider Moe and PG were out. McGruder and Rome played 53 minutes and got 7 points and 6 fouls, so we got a lot of nothing from them on offense.

53 minutes from two guys who will barely smell the floor come April? This season is not gonna follow any script, that's for sure. We're still gonna win 50+ games but unlike Lob City, are totally geared toward the playoffs.

In the meantime, just get 'er done.

[NippySudz]

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Plus we held them to 20 points. It's still Clamp City when it needs to be, and that was without PG and Harkless, both plus defenders.

If the alternative is getting out to big leads and then blowing them...

If we look over the last 40 years, only 7 teams in that span have given up 80 pts or more in a half and went on to make it to at least a conference championship:
81-82 Lakers (won title)
83-84 Nuggets
87-88 Pistons (lost in Finals)
90-91 Blazers
17-18 Warriors (won title)
18-19 Warriors (lost in Finals)
18-19 Blazers

Just because they clamped down for a quarter does not mean there isn't cause for concern. The Clips have now given up 60 or more pts in the 1st half 13 times. We are 8-5 in those games. Today and the Lakers Christmas games are the only times all year we have won after being down at the half by 8 or more (2-5). We are 14-1 when we hold opponents under 52 pts in the 1st half. Holding teams under 52 in the 2nd half has us at 15-1 (our lone loss had us down 52-66 at the half). We are 0-9 when teams outscore us by at least 5 in the 2nd half. We have given up 58 or more in the 2nd half 16 times. We are 7-9 in those games.

there's cause for concern. The defense wasn't good, but it's still a work in progress. That being said, This New orleans Pelicans put 122 on the Utah Jazz, whom won 13 out of their last 14 games. Something crazy like that with a defensive anchor in rudy golbert in the middle.

80 is too much.

But to say, this New orleans team wasn't streaking at the right time or this wasn't a good win is just bullsh.. by people who just want to troll. Just a week ago, the same people would have said the utah jazz is a great defensive team and a great team because they were second in the west. They lose to the pelicans, no one bats an eye. The lakers give up 113 points to them, no one bats an eye. They were killing the lakers from three just a month ago and lost in a nail biter. Clippers who themselves are a work in progress, also got the pelican's smoke and suddenly, we've been exposed again.

Bullshi.. A week ago, This same clipper team would have lost this game and the same people trolling would have came back in here and troll about them unable to win ugly games. It's a double edge sword. Win ugly games, you're sloppy. Can't win ugly games, you're exposed. Win dominantly, you got lucky. Same BS over and over again.

How about this sh-t is a work in progress and expecting the clippers to be the lakers is downright silly?

Now clippers have some momentum they can build upon. I expect them to be better defensively next game.

[MartinRiggs]

Nice win,intense game.

I knew Ingram would give us problems because he was guarded by our guards since PG and Harkless were out. Shamet didn't just shoot 3s which is good,Kawhi made some bad plays near the end but he made up for it defending JJ at the end. Lou was just crazy at times,Trez was just beasting inside.

I hope Beverley and Trez are ok,and let's hope PG is ready for the next one.

[esqtvd]

Plus we held them to 20 points. It's still Clamp City when it needs to be, and that was without PG and Harkless, both plus defenders.

If the alternative is getting out to big leads and then blowing them...

If we look over the last 40 years, only 7 teams in that span have given up 80 pts or more in a half and went on to make it to at least a conference championship:
81-82 Lakers (won title)
83-84 Nuggets
87-88 Pistons (lost in Finals)
90-91 Blazers
17-18 Warriors (won title)
18-19 Warriors (lost in Finals)
18-19 Blazers

Just because they clamped down for a quarter does not mean there isn't cause for concern. The Clips have now given up 60 or more pts in the 1st half 13 times. We are 8-5 in those games. Today and the Lakers Christmas games are the only times all year we have won after being down at the half by 8 or more (2-5). We are 14-1 when we hold opponents under 52 pts in the 1st half. Holding teams under 52 in the 2nd half has us at 15-1 (our lone loss had us down 52-66 at the half). We are 0-9 when teams outscore us by at least 5 in the 2nd half. We have given up 58 or more in the 2nd half 16 times. We are 7-9 in those games.

there's cause for concern. The defense wasn't good, but it's still a work in progress. That being said, This New orleans Pelicans put 122 on the Utah Jazz, whom won 13 out of their last 14 games. Something crazy like that with a defensive anchor in rudy golbert in the middle.

80 is too much.

But to say, this New orleans team wasn't streaking at the right time or this wasn't a good win is just bullsh.. by people who just want to troll. Just a week ago, the same people would have said the utah jazz is a great defensive team and a great team because they were second in the west. They lose to the pelicans, no one bats an eye. The lakers give up 113 points to them, no one bats an eye. They were killing the lakers from three just a month ago and lost in a nail biter. Clippers who themselves are a work in progress, also got the pelican's smoke and suddenly, we've been exposed again.

Bullshi.. A week ago, This same clipper team would have lost this game and the same people trolling would have came back in here and troll about them unable to win ugly games. It's a double edge sword. Win ugly games, you're sloppy. Can't win ugly games, you're exposed. Win dominantly, you got lucky. Same BS over and over again.

How about this sh-t is a work in progress and expecting the clippers to be the lakers is downright silly?

Now clippers have some momentum they can build upon. I expect them to be better defensively next game.

Well put. The only question is are we having fun yet. Every game thread lately is miserable from the trolling. I used to enjoy hanging out with my Clipper community as we cheered for our team together during a game. Now it's not even a community, just a troll farm.

80.

Is that some kind of a record?

Most points we've given up in a half since 2009. But we're "Clamp City" with a "defensive-minded coach."

Today was another great win. Kawhi and the boys did a Clamp City in the 4th against a streaking Pels team. Missing 2 of our 4 best defenders. I believed. Win or lose, I knew they would hold the Pels to 20 or so in the 4th but what would be the point of even posting that?


This is your board. Another great win, another game thread with all the enjoyment sucked out of it.

[NippySudz]

If we look over the last 40 years, only 7 teams in that span have given up 80 pts or more in a half and went on to make it to at least a conference championship:
81-82 Lakers (won title)
83-84 Nuggets
87-88 Pistons (lost in Finals)
90-91 Blazers
17-18 Warriors (won title)
18-19 Warriors (lost in Finals)
18-19 Blazers

Just because they clamped down for a quarter does not mean there isn't cause for concern. The Clips have now given up 60 or more pts in the 1st half 13 times. We are 8-5 in those games. Today and the Lakers Christmas games are the only times all year we have won after being down at the half by 8 or more (2-5). We are 14-1 when we hold opponents under 52 pts in the 1st half. Holding teams under 52 in the 2nd half has us at 15-1 (our lone loss had us down 52-66 at the half). We are 0-9 when teams outscore us by at least 5 in the 2nd half. We have given up 58 or more in the 2nd half 16 times. We are 7-9 in those games.

there's cause for concern. The defense wasn't good, but it's still a work in progress. That being said, This New orleans Pelicans put 122 on the Utah Jazz, whom won 13 out of their last 14 games. Something crazy like that with a defensive anchor in rudy golbert in the middle.

80 is too much.

But to say, this New orleans team wasn't streaking at the right time or this wasn't a good win is just bullsh.. by people who just want to troll. Just a week ago, the same people would have said the utah jazz is a great defensive team and a great team because they were second in the west. They lose to the pelicans, no one bats an eye. The lakers give up 113 points to them, no one bats an eye. They were killing the lakers from three just a month ago and lost in a nail biter. Clippers who themselves are a work in progress, also got the pelican's smoke and suddenly, we've been exposed again.

Bullshi.. A week ago, This same clipper team would have lost this game and the same people trolling would have came back in here and troll about them unable to win ugly games. It's a double edge sword. Win ugly games, you're sloppy. Can't win ugly games, you're exposed. Win dominantly, you got lucky. Same BS over and over again.

How about this sh-t is a work in progress and expecting the clippers to be the lakers is downright silly?

Now clippers have some momentum they can build upon. I expect them to be better defensively next game.

Well put. The only question is are we having fun yet. Every game thread lately is miserable from the trolling. I used to enjoy hanging out with my Clipper community as we cheered for our team together during a game. Now it's not even a community, just a troll farm.

80.

Is that some kind of a record?

Most points we've given up in a half since 2009. But we're "Clamp City" with a "defensive-minded coach."

Today was another great win. Kawhi and the boys did a Clamp City in the 4th against a streaking Pels team. Missing 2 of our 4 best defenders. I believed. Win or lose, I knew they would hold the Pels to 20 or so in the 4th but what would be the point of even posting that?


This is your board. Another great win, another game thread with all the enjoyment sucked out of it.

People really think a lineup with three guards in the starting lineup is supposed to hold a team that's hot under 90 points. A team that beens scorched top defenses.

The Zu army should have watched the game. I'm high on Zu but I understand Zu is not a permanent fix for the question at center. Zu does not have the defensive prowess as some of the other bigs I'm the league. Zu is good, he isn't elite. He's never going to have quick feet to recover to blown coverages.

Jmyke wasn't good either.

There might need more additional pieces but give this team under the same circumstances to another team and see what happens .

Progress isn't linear. This is the best start of the doc era and the team hasn't been together that long. All the other teams habe or have elite or solid playmakers. We don't have that. We have good ones. Not elite ones.

If anyone thinks the clippers are going to exot the first round and it's becAuse of doc, go ahead. You're entitled to your opinion

But keep that sh..t in one[fire doc rivers] thread and if you feel so strongly about it that you can't, stop watching the game and stop posting. If the clippers are going to be eliminated in the first or second round, there's no sense of watching this season. It's a waste. Wait for them to fire doc in the offseason or whenever they do. Maybe go root for another team.

If you really feel that strong about the teams chances with their current head coach.

If I was so confident that the clippers were going to lose, I personally wouldn't be here.

I came on here to discuss clipper basketball woth enthusiastic clipper fans for the season.



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[MartinToVaught]

53 minutes from two guys who will barely smell the floor come April?

You say this like Doc didn't constantly give minutes to guys like Austin and Jamal in the playoffs.

[Young Sterling]

53 minutes from two guys who will barely smell the floor come April?

You say this like Doc didn't constantly give minutes to guys like Austin and Jamal in the playoffs.

Well first off, Austin was his son. My brother and I once joked that he would eventually take CP3's role as starting pg.... and it actually happened lol. Also Jamal is a prime example of what makes Doc's boat float. All shooting and zero defense at the 2/3 position. Doc just couldn't help himself

[esqtvd]

53 minutes from two guys who will barely smell the floor come April?

You say this like Doc didn't constantly give minutes to guys like Austin and Jamal in the playoffs.

same crap over and over and over

[clipperlover]

This team is lacking in consistency. We have only had 3 stretches all season where we have won 3 or more games in a row. Yes, you are going to drop some games, but not backing those losses up with a string of wins is concerning.

Some numbers that raise concerns:
1. Giving up 110 or more PPG in 44% of our games (19 of 43). We are 9-10 in those games, but breaking down those numbers masks a bigger problem.
a. 8-3 vs sub.500 teams, while we are beating most of those sub .500 teams, we are letting sub .500 teams score 110 or more at the same rate as above .500 teams (44% (11of 25)). It is like they don't care in those games.
b. 1-7 vs above .500 teams when giving up 110 or more - when the good teams put points on us, we aren't winning. Our O just isn't able to overcome their D.

We are devastating when holding teams to 106 or less (19-1, 9-1 vs above .500 teams), but are 11-12 when teams score more than 106. Only 1 of those wins against an above .500 team.

[esqtvd]

This team is lacking in consistency. We have only had 3 stretches all season where we have won 3 or more games in a row. Yes, you are going to drop some games, but not backing those losses up with a string of wins is concerning.

Some numbers that raise concerns:
1. Giving up 110 or more PPG in 44% of our games (19 of 43). We are 9-10 in those games, but breaking down those numbers masks a bigger problem.
a. 8-3 vs sub.500 teams, while we are beating most of those sub .500 teams, we are letting sub .500 teams score 110 or more at the same rate as above .500 teams (44% (11of 25)). It is like they don't care in those games.
b. 1-7 vs above .500 teams when giving up 110 or more - when the good teams put points on us, we aren't winning. Our O just isn't able to overcome their D.

We are devastating when holding teams to 106 or less (19-1, 9-1 vs above .500 teams), but are 11-12 when teams score more than 106. Only 1 of those wins against an above .500 team.

Good facts, but what we do vs sub-.500 teams means nothing. It's only a test of how much boredom they can stand--the Bulls game was a perfect example--and a test of how much you can convince yourself that meaningless games are meaningful.

And what we do without Kawhi and PG together means little because we ain't competing for a title without them both anyway. So let's wait until they play a dozen games consecutively together. We are still flying by the seat of our pants--yet still have the 3rd best record in the league. And I'd still like to see us get a 3rd big. We haven't seen the team yet that'll be going into the playoffs.

[clipperlover]

This team is lacking in consistency. We have only had 3 stretches all season where we have won 3 or more games in a row. Yes, you are going to drop some games, but not backing those losses up with a string of wins is concerning.

Some numbers that raise concerns:
1. Giving up 110 or more PPG in 44% of our games (19 of 43). We are 9-10 in those games, but breaking down those numbers masks a bigger problem.
a. 8-3 vs sub.500 teams, while we are beating most of those sub .500 teams, we are letting sub .500 teams score 110 or more at the same rate as above .500 teams (44% (11of 25)). It is like they don't care in those games.
b. 1-7 vs above .500 teams when giving up 110 or more - when the good teams put points on us, we aren't winning. Our O just isn't able to overcome their D.

We are devastating when holding teams to 106 or less (19-1, 9-1 vs above .500 teams), but are 11-12 when teams score more than 106. Only 1 of those wins against an above .500 team.

Good facts, but what we do vs sub-.500 teams means nothing. It's only a test of how much boredom they can stand--the Bulls game was a perfect example--and a test of how much you can convince yourself that meaningless games are meaningful.

And what we do without Kawhi and PG together means little because we ain't competing for a title without them both anyway. So let's wait until they play a dozen games consecutively together. We are still flying by the seat of our pants--yet still have the 3rd best record in the league. And I'd still like to see us get a 3rd big. We haven't seen the team yet that'll be going into the playoffs.

I have to disagree. This team can absolutely compete with one only Kawhi or PG. The two of them together is what makes us a favorite. My issue with the defense stems from the general attitude the team has against the lower level teams. The team has done nothing to earn that attitude. If Kawhi and/or PG aren't feeling it and making careless turnovers, then it is on Doc to take them out of the game and bring in a bench player. Those bench players are the guys that need to step it up against the lower level competition.

If a guy like Jerome Robinson can't be effective against the lower level competition, then he no longer needs to be here. James "Hollywood" Robinson was more effective. Donte DiVincenzo is looking like an All-Star compared to James Robinson. Kenneth Faried is on the free agent market, we could shore up the bench and some of our issues very quickly with him (e.g. not giving Trez a breather).

[esqtvd]

This team is lacking in consistency. We have only had 3 stretches all season where we have won 3 or more games in a row. Yes, you are going to drop some games, but not backing those losses up with a string of wins is concerning.

Some numbers that raise concerns:
1. Giving up 110 or more PPG in 44% of our games (19 of 43). We are 9-10 in those games, but breaking down those numbers masks a bigger problem.
a. 8-3 vs sub.500 teams, while we are beating most of those sub .500 teams, we are letting sub .500 teams score 110 or more at the same rate as above .500 teams (44% (11of 25)). It is like they don't care in those games.
b. 1-7 vs above .500 teams when giving up 110 or more - when the good teams put points on us, we aren't winning. Our O just isn't able to overcome their D.

We are devastating when holding teams to 106 or less (19-1, 9-1 vs above .500 teams), but are 11-12 when teams score more than 106. Only 1 of those wins against an above .500 team.

Good facts, but what we do vs sub-.500 teams means nothing. It's only a test of how much boredom they can stand--the Bulls game was a perfect example--and a test of how much you can convince yourself that meaningless games are meaningful.

And what we do without Kawhi and PG together means little because we ain't competing for a title without them both anyway. So let's wait until they play a dozen games consecutively together. We are still flying by the seat of our pants--yet still have the 3rd best record in the league. And I'd still like to see us get a 3rd big. We haven't seen the team yet that'll be going into the playoffs.

I have to disagree. This team can absolutely compete with one only Kawhi or PG. The two of them together is what makes us a favorite. My issue with the defense stems from the general attitude the team has against the lower level teams. The team has done nothing to earn that attitude. If Kawhi and/or PG aren't feeling it and making careless turnovers, then it is on Doc to take them out of the game and bring in a bench player. Those bench players are the guys that need to step it up against the lower level competition.

If a guy like Jerome Robinson can't be effective against the lower level competition, then he no longer needs to be here. James "Hollywood" Robinson was more effective. Donte DiVincenzo is looking like an All-Star compared to James Robinson. Kenneth Faried is on the free agent market, we could shore up the bench and some of our issues very quickly with him (e.g. not giving Trez a breather).

Again, these are grown men. You can't convince them meaningless games are meaningful or that what you do against crap teams is in the end relevant to winning the title. And you definitely don't start yanking Kawhi around like he's a college sophomore. This is Kawhi's team, not Doc's, and KL is setting the tone. These are not Game Sevens: We're ramping up slowly, so just enjoy the process.

As for Jerome, IMO Doc's using him expertly, squeezing minutes out of him instead of burying him, in ways that don't hurt the W column and in hopes of increasing his [minimal] trade value. Jerome is often in the plus of plus/minus despite being a brick factory.

That said, I wouldn't say he's any better than Sindarius or Ty Wallace [although he did dominate in G League and they didn't]. Frankly, he's still on the roster because he was drafted at #13 and first-rounders have more trade value than 2nd-rounders who scrapped their way into the NBA by merit. After his creditable college career, if I'm a GM of a rebuilding team, Jerome's an acceptable sweetener in a trade, especially if I'm trying to save face with the fans in an unpopular deal.