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cool. the hope obviously is that he's now healthy enough to contribute a few bench minutes a game.

the hope is that he doesn't cannibalize zubac's minutes, though.

Party on dudes!

nickhx2 wrote:cool. the hope obviously is that he's now healthy enough to contribute a few bench minutes a game.

the hope is that he doesn't cannibalize zubac's minutes, though.

He's the emergency center. Center insurance if we need a defensive big for skilled centers. That's all. Probably won't get regular playing time and that's finr

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nickhx2 wrote:cool. the hope obviously is that he's now healthy enough to contribute a few bench minutes a game.

the hope is that he doesn't cannibalize zubac's minutes, though.

The hope is that he can give enough minutes for Trez to get a breather.


Now, the only logical move for the Rockets is to sign Jamal Crawford.

Noah, yes!!!

thought it might be him
probably considered Bogut but he's banged up

https://clutchpoints.com/andrew-bogut-mulling-offers-from-nba-teams-but-career-is-up-in-the-air-with-back-injury/


couldn't wait any more

All that's left now is Tom Thibodeau to be the Clipper's defensive coordinator for the playoff run, and all will be right in Boss Angeles.

nickhx2 wrote:cool. the hope obviously is that he's now healthy enough to contribute a few bench minutes a game.

the hope is that he doesn't cannibalize zubac's minutes, though.

Zubac just had his best game as a Clipper. The hope is he continues to earn the minutes he's been earning when under the heat of the playoff lights. Doc's gently been growing him from 16-18 mpg to 20-ish, which is about right.

Much has been made of Zubac not playing the 4th quarter, but the fact is his plus/minus in the 3rd quarter is the worst on the Clippers over the past 15 games.

https://stats.nba.com/players/traditional/?sort=PLUS_MINUS&dir=-1&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&LastNGames=15&Period=3&TeamID=1610612746


Trezz is 2nd only to Kawhi, now that Harkless is gone. Zubac really hasn't earned more 2nd-half minutes. Now we'll have to see what Noah has left in the tank. We're not asking for much. Just be tall and stand in the right place.

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ONLY A 10-DAY AT FIRST

CLIPS ARE TOUGH

but not til next week, if you're wondering [and you are]



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Planned all this months ago. I didn't add it all up but this deal probably kept us under the lux tax. Great FO. Best money can buy

2. Los Angeles Clippers trade Derrick Walton Jr. and cash to Atlanta Hawks
Walton is a 24-year-old point guard who the Clippers signed to an Exhibit 10 contract for training camp before getting his $1.4 million minimum contract guaranteed for the rest of the season on Jan. 8. He’s played less than 16 minutes total since then. Trading him put the Clippers $1.3 million below the luxury tax, enabling them to potentially go over the threshold in the future without incurring the additional penalties that come with being a repeat taxpaying team. It also opened a roster spot which could be used to add a bought-out player — almost certainly one who would cost less than $1.3 million.

Think the ten day is just to test chemistry. If he can vibe with everyone they will keep him on even if it’s just as a mentor/coach for all the bigs

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NippySudz wrote:

nickhx2 wrote:cool. the hope obviously is that he's now healthy enough to contribute a few bench minutes a game.

the hope is that he doesn't cannibalize zubac's minutes, though.

He's the emergency center. Center insurance if we need a defensive big for skilled centers. That's all. Probably won't get regular playing time and that's finr

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Right he might only play one or two games the rest of the way

esqtvd wrote:

nickhx2 wrote:cool. the hope obviously is that he's now healthy enough to contribute a few bench minutes a game.

the hope is that he doesn't cannibalize zubac's minutes, though.

Zubac just had his best game as a Clipper. The hope is he continues to earn the minutes he's been earning when under the heat of the playoff lights. Doc's gently been growing him from 16-18 mpg to 20-ish, which is about right.

Much has been made of Zubac not playing the 4th quarter, but the fact is his plus/minus in the 3rd quarter is the worst on the Clippers over the past 15 games.

https://stats.nba.com/players/traditional/?sort=PLUS_MINUS&dir=-1&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&LastNGames=15&Period=3&TeamID=1610612746


Trezz is 2nd only to Kawhi, now that Harkless is gone. Zubac really hasn't earned more 2nd-half minutes. Now we'll have to see what Noah has left in the tank. We're not asking for much. Just be tall and stand in the right place.

Using these same numbers shows there is a drop off in the entire unit in the 4th quarter. Harrell is playing against second unit talent

https://stats.nba.com/players/traditional/?sort=PLUS_MINUS&dir=-1&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&LastNGames=15&TeamID=1610612746&Period=4

It’s wild to even suggest he doesn’t deserve to play at all with his improvements and he played the position last year at times. Even using your favorite stat Zubac third quarter is still better than Harrell’s 4th and from looking at the dip from the rest of the starters for both teams come in the unit with Harrell struggles

Also no mention of the first half minutes

TheNewEra wrote:

esqtvd wrote:

nickhx2 wrote:cool. the hope obviously is that he's now healthy enough to contribute a few bench minutes a game.

the hope is that he doesn't cannibalize zubac's minutes, though.

Zubac just had his best game as a Clipper. The hope is he continues to earn the minutes he's been earning when under the heat of the playoff lights. Doc's gently been growing him from 16-18 mpg to 20-ish, which is about right.

Much has been made of Zubac not playing the 4th quarter, but the fact is his plus/minus in the 3rd quarter is the worst on the Clippers over the past 15 games.

https://stats.nba.com/players/traditional/?sort=PLUS_MINUS&dir=-1&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&LastNGames=15&Period=3&TeamID=1610612746


Trezz is 2nd only to Kawhi, now that Harkless is gone. Zubac really hasn't earned more 2nd-half minutes. Now we'll have to see what Noah has left in the tank. We're not asking for much. Just be tall and stand in the right place.

Using these same numbers shows there is a drop off in the entire unit in the 4th quarter. Harrell is playing against second unit talent

https://stats.nba.com/players/traditional/?sort=PLUS_MINUS&dir=-1&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&LastNGames=15&TeamID=1610612746&Period=4

It’s wild to even suggest he doesn’t deserve to play at all with his improvements and he played the position last year at times. Even using your favorite stat Zubac third quarter is still better than Harrell’s 4th and from looking at the dip from the rest of the starters for both teams come in the unit with Harrell struggles

Also no mention of the first half minutes

Well if you want to debate this out like adults, Mr. Era, that would be really cool and a welcome change. You know what I mean.

What I mean by "Planet Zubac" is those people who are so Doc-Deranged that they think Zubac is anywhere equal the player or force that Trezz is. Remember--until we got Marcus and now Noah, any additional minutes handed to Zubac would come from Trezz, and even now that Doc has stretched Zu's minutes out to around 20, that means Trezz is only playing 28.

I did look up Zu's first half stats and it only reinforces my point. His second-half stats suck--worst plus/minus on the Clippers--so the thoughtful inference is that his overall stats are due to great first halves.

And they are great first halves. Zu is in our top 5 in plus/minus. Great job for our placeholder starter. But our worst in the second half. Trezz is our 2nd best behind Kawhi in the 3rd.

Worry about Trezz's fatigue in the 4th quarter all you want. Our Achilles heel is much more Zubac in the 3rd quarter. He gets worse as the game goes on. Provably.


Why we should give him 4th quarter minutes is doubling down on mediocrity.

And that's why Doc doesn't give Zu 4th quarter minutes. Because he hasn't earned 2nd half minutes, let alone crunch time minutes. Totally backed by the stats.


Getting Trezz a blow in the 4th will have to come from Noah or the small ball unit. He's been a hero for us. One thing we agree on is that Trezz deserves a blow and not have to play 17 minutes in a row. But Zu is not the answer and Doc was right not to give him minutes he has not earned.


Frankly, my "eye test" has been wondering about Zu's gaudy overall stats vs what I saw, a lot of crap 3rd quarters, meaning his first halves have been great--also what my "eye test" was telling me. I only looked it up today, and yes, my "eye test" was borne out by the stats, which I've posted here.


Hey, I think Zubac is doing great for 22 years old, a starter for the next possible champion. His first year as a starter. Just had his best game as a Clipper and kicked D'Antoni and Morey's ass. Don't get me wrong about any of this.

Love this signing and I love Noah's attitude.

We got a bunch of goons. Goons who either don't like LeGOAT or don't GAF about LeBron's story. Not in awe of the guy. Guys who who will foul that guy hard AF. Guys who are gonna push AD around.

We are physically and mentally tougher than the team down the hall....than the other teams in the league.

*Prays for Health*

esqtvd wrote:

TheNewEra wrote:

esqtvd wrote:

Zubac just had his best game as a Clipper. The hope is he continues to earn the minutes he's been earning when under the heat of the playoff lights. Doc's gently been growing him from 16-18 mpg to 20-ish, which is about right.

Much has been made of Zubac not playing the 4th quarter, but the fact is his plus/minus in the 3rd quarter is the worst on the Clippers over the past 15 games.

https://stats.nba.com/players/traditional/?sort=PLUS_MINUS&dir=-1&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&LastNGames=15&Period=3&TeamID=1610612746


Trezz is 2nd only to Kawhi, now that Harkless is gone. Zubac really hasn't earned more 2nd-half minutes. Now we'll have to see what Noah has left in the tank. We're not asking for much. Just be tall and stand in the right place.

Using these same numbers shows there is a drop off in the entire unit in the 4th quarter. Harrell is playing against second unit talent

https://stats.nba.com/players/traditional/?sort=PLUS_MINUS&dir=-1&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&LastNGames=15&TeamID=1610612746&Period=4

It’s wild to even suggest he doesn’t deserve to play at all with his improvements and he played the position last year at times. Even using your favorite stat Zubac third quarter is still better than Harrell’s 4th and from looking at the dip from the rest of the starters for both teams come in the unit with Harrell struggles

Also no mention of the first half minutes

Well if you want to debate this out like adults, Mr. Era, that would be really cool and a welcome change. You know what I mean.

What I mean by "Planet Zubac" is those people who are so Doc-Deranged that they think Zubac is anywhere equal the player or force that Trezz is. Remember--until we got Marcus and now Noah, any additional minutes handed to Zubac would come from Trezz, and even now that Doc has stretched Zu's minutes out to around 20, that means Trezz is only playing 28.

I did look up Zu's first half stats and it only reinforces my point. His second-half stats suck--worst plus/minus on the Clippers--so the thoughtful inference is that his overall stats are due to great first halves.

And they are great first halves. Zu is in our top 5 in plus/minus. Great job for our placeholder starter. But our worst in the second half. Trezz is our 2nd best behind Kawhi in the 3rd.

Worry about Trezz's fatigue in the 4th quarter all you want. Our Achilles heel is much more Zubac in the 3rd quarter. He gets worse as the game goes on. Provably.


Why we should give him 4th quarter minutes is doubling down on mediocrity.

And that's why Doc doesn't give Zu 4th quarter minutes. Because he hasn't earned 2nd half minutes, let alone crunch time minutes. Totally backed by the stats.


Getting Trezz a blow in the 4th will have to come from Noah or the small ball unit. He's been a hero for us. One thing we agree on is that Trezz deserves a blow and not have to play 17 minutes in a row. But Zu is not the answer and Doc was right not to give him minutes he has not earned.


Frankly, my "eye test" has been wondering about Zu's gaudy overall stats vs what I saw, a lot of crap 3rd quarters, meaning his first halves have been great--also what my "eye test" was telling me. I only looked it up today, and yes, my "eye test" was borne out by the stats, which I've posted here.


Hey, I think Zubac is doing great for 22 years old, a starter for the next possible champion. His first year as a starter. Just had his best game as a Clipper and kicked D'Antoni and Morey's ass. Don't get me wrong about any of this.

Don’t even get how this was even a thing to be talked about in a Noah signing but ok.

If you don’t believe Zubac has contributed in his own way when rim protection numbers have come out and I’m sure you have seen them. Zubac’s importance to the team is he allows for guys like Harrell not to have to face bigger and more talented opposing bigs for a full game. You want to see Harrell get tossed around by larger player so be it but Zubac has been a major part of this title push and no one would say Harrell should be starting.


-No one has argued the overall minutes was a issue it was the 15-17 minutes stretches of minutes. If 22 minutes for Zu and 26 for Trez means that Trez can get a rest then so be it.

- So because Zubac 3rd quarter is his lowest but yet it’s better than Harrell’s for quarters one, two and four he shouldn’t play at all in the 4th?

-Your hatred for Zubac is next level because it doesn’t even add up when you try to use stats to discredit him. By YOUR own stat it shows the starting unit with Trez in the 4th quarter sees a major decline. It shows Harrell’s advantage only comes because he plays against bench units to start the 4th but comes down when both teams put the starters back in

-Doubling down on mediocrity ? Look how terrible the rest of the starters look like using your stat in the 4th quarter lol

- Based on your stats Harrell shouldn’t play at all in the first half

-And again how can you argue the stats when it shows Zubacs (+1.4) worse quarter in plus/minus IS STILL better than Harrell’s 4th quarter (+1.0)

There will never and I mean ever be a logical reason to play Harrell the consistent stretches of minutes that we do it’s poor coaching

TheNewEra wrote:

esqtvd wrote:

TheNewEra wrote:
Using these same numbers shows there is a drop off in the entire unit in the 4th quarter. Harrell is playing against second unit talent

https://stats.nba.com/players/traditional/?sort=PLUS_MINUS&dir=-1&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&LastNGames=15&TeamID=1610612746&Period=4

It’s wild to even suggest he doesn’t deserve to play at all with his improvements and he played the position last year at times. Even using your favorite stat Zubac third quarter is still better than Harrell’s 4th and from looking at the dip from the rest of the starters for both teams come in the unit with Harrell struggles

Also no mention of the first half minutes

Well if you want to debate this out like adults, Mr. Era, that would be really cool and a welcome change. You know what I mean.

What I mean by "Planet Zubac" is those people who are so Doc-Deranged that they think Zubac is anywhere equal the player or force that Trezz is. Remember--until we got Marcus and now Noah, any additional minutes handed to Zubac would come from Trezz, and even now that Doc has stretched Zu's minutes out to around 20, that means Trezz is only playing 28.

I did look up Zu's first half stats and it only reinforces my point. His second-half stats suck--worst plus/minus on the Clippers--so the thoughtful inference is that his overall stats are due to great first halves.

And they are great first halves. Zu is in our top 5 in plus/minus. Great job for our placeholder starter. But our worst in the second half. Trezz is our 2nd best behind Kawhi in the 3rd.

Worry about Trezz's fatigue in the 4th quarter all you want. Our Achilles heel is much more Zubac in the 3rd quarter. He gets worse as the game goes on. Provably.


Why we should give him 4th quarter minutes is doubling down on mediocrity.

And that's why Doc doesn't give Zu 4th quarter minutes. Because he hasn't earned 2nd half minutes, let alone crunch time minutes. Totally backed by the stats.


Getting Trezz a blow in the 4th will have to come from Noah or the small ball unit. He's been a hero for us. One thing we agree on is that Trezz deserves a blow and not have to play 17 minutes in a row. But Zu is not the answer and Doc was right not to give him minutes he has not earned.


Frankly, my "eye test" has been wondering about Zu's gaudy overall stats vs what I saw, a lot of crap 3rd quarters, meaning his first halves have been great--also what my "eye test" was telling me. I only looked it up today, and yes, my "eye test" was borne out by the stats, which I've posted here.


Hey, I think Zubac is doing great for 22 years old, a starter for the next possible champion. His first year as a starter. Just had his best game as a Clipper and kicked D'Antoni and Morey's ass. Don't get me wrong about any of this.

Don’t even get how this was even a thing to be talked about in a Noah signing but ok.

If you don’t believe Zubac has contributed in his own way when rim protection numbers have come out and I’m sure you have seen them. Zubac’s importance to the team is he allows for guys like Harrell not to have to face bigger and more talented opposing bigs for a full game. You want to see Harrell get tossed around by larger player so be it but Zubac has been a major part of this title push and no one would say Harrell should be starting.


-No one has argued the overall minutes was a issue it was the 15-17 minutes stretches of minutes. If 22 minutes for Zu and 26 for Trez means that Trez can get a rest then so be it.

- So because Zubac 3rd quarter is his lowest but yet it’s better than Harrell’s for quarters one, two and four he shouldn’t play at all in the 4th?

-Your hatred for Zubac is next level because it doesn’t even add up when you try to use stats to discredit him. By YOUR own stat it shows the starting unit with Trez in the 4th quarter sees a major decline. It shows Harrell’s advantage only comes because he plays against bench units to start the 4th but comes down when both teams put the starters back in

-Doubling down on mediocrity ? Look how terrible the rest of the starters look like using your stat in the 4th quarter lol

- Based on your stats Harrell shouldn’t play at all in the first half

-And again how can you argue the stats when it shows Zubacs (+1.4) worse quarter in plus/minus IS STILL better than Harrell’s 4th quarter (+1.0)

There will never and I mean ever be a logical reason to play Harrell the consistent stretches of minutes that we do it’s poor coaching

I don't hate Zubac. Cut it out.


The only fact you present is that Trezz's +1.0 in the 4th is worse than Zubac's +1.4 in the 3rd. That's a valid argument, but not a definitive enough one to not allow for Doc's own "eye test" and lack of confidence in Zu at crunchtime. He is not being irrational and that's the criticism. The fact is that we've won almost every game using that strategy.

And I'm sure even Zubac's supporters are surprised to learn that his 2nd half stats show such a huge decline over his first half stats and that means his gaudy overall numbers are a bit suspect when it comes to earning 4th quarter minutes. It's also logical to conclude that he'd be even less effective in the 4th than he is in the 3rd, and that is clearly Doc's quite valid reasoning.