I am sick and tired of doc rivers playing montrezl harrell the entire 4th quarter

Yogatti · Post #1 » by **Yogatti** » Mon Mar 9, 2020 2:25 am

We lost so many games this season closing like this. Trezz runs out gas playing like this means you won't get any defense/rim protection/rebound from our center and he can't hit his free throws like today's game.

What's the point of doing this? Why even have Zubac on this team? I know why, doc needs someone to blame when clips lose. He always throws him under the bus after losses which makes no sense since he never ever plays in the 4th quarter, sometimes he doesn't even play the entire 2nd half

Any other coach would play zu in the 4th to give trezz some rest and would've easily won the game today, but we're stuck with this incompetent clown running the show. I am just sick and tired watching the clippers lose games like this over and over again and knowing this will continue in the playoffs as well. We are going to lose to the Lakers if doc keeps doing this ****.

esqtvd · Post #2 » by **esqtvd** » Mon Mar 9, 2020 2:35 am

yeah we need a separate topic thread on this because it's not ON EVERY SINGLE F*****G THREAD ON THIS BOARD AT LEAST FIFTEEN TIMES PER PAGE

:lol:

TheNewEra · Post #3 » by **TheNewEra** » Mon Mar 9, 2020 2:44 am

Would take anyone stepping in at this point. The 4th quarter squad just looks bad if it’s not already a blowout. Thinking he is saving lineups for the playoffs makes no sense because the players would have no chemistry in the most critical games. We have seen Green play better as the C on the floor

Yogatti · Post #4 » by **Yogatti** » Mon Mar 9, 2020 2:51 am

I've been saying this since last month, Trezz and Lou are cancerous to this team, the Trash Brothers. Lou will never boxes anyone out and never plays defense. When he gets called out by Paul George and Kawhi for mistakes on defense he yells back at them thinking he's a superstar as well. If Lou isn't making shots he is useless. If the FO decides to let Reggie Jackson go this offseason and keep Lou will this team is doomed

Clemenza · Post #5 » by **Clemenza** » Mon Mar 9, 2020 5:51 am

The Lou/Trez Show is good for the 2nd unit but its not good with PG and Kawhi in the game late in ballgames. Trez waving off teammates for a clearout?? Come on Doc. Also either Pat Bev or Lou should've been yanked for Reggie Jackson whose been playing the best ball out of the three of them

TheNewEra · Post #6 » by **TheNewEra** » Mon Mar 9, 2020 8:50 am

Watch on YouTube

The AD fears for not playing Zu kind of seemed odd but when you look back it’s funny. Zu and AD had two possessions going head to head and AD made two contested jumpers. Every scouting report would tell you to force AD to shoot jumpers and long range shots but 2 shots put almighty fear in Doc.

MartinToVaught · Post #7 » by **MartinToVaught** » Mon Mar 9, 2020 3:24 pm

Bottom line is that, at best, Lou and Trez are traditional bench players who come in and provide some energy in limited minutes. Their roles have been expanded far beyond what they ever should be because we have an incompetent coach who plays favorites. It's absurd how Doc keeps giving Lou and Trez superstar treatment when they aren't giving us anywhere near that level of production.

It's whatever, though. Doc is never going to change, he's going to ride the Lou/Trez show to an embarrassing playoff exit. I just hope the front office will finally see that we need a real coach.

Quake Griffin · Post #8 » by **Quake Griffin** » Mon Mar 9, 2020 3:37 pm

It is something that he needs to fix and can fix fairly easily.

This shouldn't be a thing.

Wammy Giveaway · Post #9 » by **Wammy Giveaway** » Mon Mar 9, 2020 5:40 pm

MartinToVaught wrote:It's whatever, though. Doc is never going to change, he's going to ride the Lou/Trez show to an embarrassing playoff exit. I just hope the front office will finally see that we need a real coach.

And, when he's in an ultimatum game (being down 3-0 in playoffs for an automatic sweep, or when front office explicitly says to him "win or you're fired"), he'll pull off an improbable miracle. And if that doesn't work, he'll say "I saved you from the Sterling scandal." He always has something that will keep his job safe. It took a 10-game losing streak for Doc to be fired, and he was close to that in 2017-18 season. With this kind of a roster, impossible.

I personally think Doc is a long timer, they're stuck with him. Even if they get rid of him, there's nobody else in the league, college or overseas who can make the Clippers better. They would have to trade a pick and accept a gag order to get their coach. Any other move by them is a rebuild.

Yogatti · Post #10 » by **Yogatti** » Mon Mar 9, 2020 6:11 pm

Wammy Giveaway wrote: Even if they get rid of him, there's nobody else in the league, college or overseas who can make the Clippers better. They would have to trade a pick and accept a gag order to get their coach. Any other move by them is a rebuild.

Why do people keep saying **** like this? Warriors got rid of Mark Jackson and became a dynasty with Steve Kerr. Raptors got rid of Dwane Casey and replaced him with assistant coach Nick Nurse and won a title. Cavaliers fired David Blatt and won with Ty Lue.

doc rivers in his entire career here has never led the clippers past the 2nd round. With all the talent he had in his roster he has never reached the WCF. And people still think he's a good coach, still defend every decision he makes and still worship him. And he was one of the worst GMs ever. It's just ridiculous to say you can't find a better coach than him.

Captain Ballmer · Post #11 » by **Captain Ballmer** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:03 am

Wammy Giveaway wrote:I personally think Doc is a long timer, they're stuck with him. Even if they get rid of him, there's nobody else in the league, college or overseas who can make the Clippers better. They would have to trade a pick and accept a gag order to get their coach. Any other move by them is a rebuild.

I heard Kenny Atkinson is available. He is the first available coach for sometime I think could replace Doc and be more successful.

Quake Griffin · Post #12 » by **Quake Griffin** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:55 pm

Kawhi can bolt after next year.
Under those circumstances, you can't get rid of Doc unless Red, Pat Riley, or Phil are walking through that door.

MartinToVaught · Post #13 » by **MartinToVaught** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:58 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:Kawhi can bolt after next year.
Under those circumstances, you can't get rid of Doc unless Red, Pat Riley, or Phil are walking through that door.

Actually, Kawhi's short-term contract means there's no excuse NOT to move on from Doc if he can't get it done this season. We need at least a Finals appearance to ensure he doesn't leave. We don't have all the time in the world to let our proven mediocre coach squander another window of contention.

Quake Griffin · Post #14 » by **Quake Griffin** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:15 pm

MartinToVaught wrote:
Quake Griffin wrote:Kawhi can bolt after next year.
Under those circumstances, you can't get rid of Doc unless Red, Pat Riley, or Phil are walking through that door.

Actually, Kawhi's short-term contract means there's no excuse NOT to move on from Doc if he can't get it done this season. We need at least a Finals appearance to ensure he doesn't leave. We don't have all the time in the world to let our proven mediocre coach squander another window of contention.

I'm not as down on Doc as you are [any more].

If he does disappoint in the postseason, I would strongly consider what you are saying. At this point, we still have a good shot and I am willing to let it play out before I start seriously talking about his removal.

Nonetheless, my real point that I was making in an unclear manner (by referencing great coaches in NBA history), is that any next coaching hire has to be a slam dunk winning pick/ hire and one Kawhi is 100% on board with.

Yogatti · Post #15 » by **Yogatti** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:38 pm

You could just simply replace doc with Ty Lue. I don't see Ty Lue doing dumb **** like playing Trezz 20 minute straight in a close game or have Lou Williams out there when he keeps getting targeted on defense

MartinToVaught · Post #16 » by **MartinToVaught** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:43 pm

Yogatti wrote:You could just simply replace doc with Ty Lue. I don't see Ty Lue doing dumb **** like playing Trezz 20 minute straight in a close game or have Lou Williams out there when he keeps getting targeted on defense

Nah, we need a Nurse/Stevens/Spo-level coach who can maximize their team's roster. Promoting one of Doc's assistants isn't a real change. LeBron was the real coach of those Cavs teams anyway.

madmaxmedia · Post #17 » by **madmaxmedia** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:57 pm

Both Lou and Harrell are great role players, but Doc has gotten too comfortable riding them to the end of games. When was the last time Zu was on the floor in 4th quarter crunch time? At least try it and see what happens...

If Harrell and Zu at least had equal minutes, I'd be relatively fine with that. For the season they are at 27.9 MPG and 18 MPG.

Muscles · Post #18 » by **Muscles** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:20 pm

Running 2 iso plays in the 4th with Harrell and putting KL and PG in a corner was enough to show me that Doc clearly has lost touch with reality.

esqtvd · Post #19 » by **esqtvd** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:26 pm

Muscles wrote:Running 2 iso plays in the 4th with Harrell and putting KL and PG in a corner was enough to show me that Doc clearly has lost touch with reality.

Trezz called for the clearout on at least one of them, making it unlikely Doc called for it.

NippySudz · Post #20 » by **NippySudz** » Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:29 am

madmaxmedia wrote:Both Lou and Harrell are great role players, but Doc has gotten too comfortable riding them to the end of games. When was the last time Zu was on the floor in 4th quarter crunch time? At least try it and see what happens...

If Harrell and Zu at least had equal minutes, I'd be relatively fine with that. For the season they are at 27.9 MPG and 18 MPG.

I said the same thing more or less that doc needs to realize the offense needs to be funneled through the superstar players, kawhi and PG.

I hate the double speak. Defense wins championships, yet we keep guys that don't know how to play defense for 30mins a game sometimes. Just because of what they bring on offense. Should trust the defense and realize these guys have their limitations. Clips are not golden state. We don't need all the offensive power on the floor at all times. We just need people that can play defense and knock down an open shot. Patbev was capable of doing that in the 4th quarter vs the lakers.

But I will say they're not the reasons we lost. That's scapegoating. Our starters didn't play great defense. PG showed up and kawhi showed up late. Kawhi was regulated to be just a scorer, he had no impact on the game whatsoever other than scoring. 2 rebounds, no assists. The lakers did a great job of minimizing his impact. I was disappointed to see kawhi's effort. The kawhi I grew to watch was the competitor who did whatever it took to win and he didn't do that on sunday.

the coaching particularly at the end of the lakers game was ass, but that's not the reason we lost in my opinion. the game was lost in the non-lebron mins. Lou had to play, he just shouldn't have played the last stretch of 4th quarter mins. Its either lou or mcgruder, I'm picking Lou-Will. Some people are acting like lou should have just sat out the whole game. If morris didn't take bad shots and kept feeing kawhi and PG when they were on, whos knows what things it would look like? Reggie was bad. So many guys did things bad, and much of it you have to credit to the lakers.