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Clemenza wrote:We all saw it and it was the biggest headscratcher

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I think even Trezz himself disagreed with Doc playing him so much... Letting the world see him getting cooked by Jokic and Boban and killing his market value... all the historically bad +/- numbers too...

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Clemenza wrote:We all saw it and it was the biggest headscratcher

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I think even Trezz himself disagreed with Doc playing him so much... Letting the world see him getting cooked by Jokic and Boban and killing his market value... all the historically bad +/- numbers too...

Trez did look frustrated with the situation

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MartinToVaught wrote:

NippySudz wrote:I already posted one except above your post.

I know. My point is, there's seven years worth of this foolishness, so I'm sure more will be coming out.

Another fun fact from this Athletic piece: the "philosophical differences" that got Doc fired included his refusal to develop young talent and his favoritism for Trez over Zu. In other words, the exact two concerns that esqtvd has shouted down his entire time here. Turns out Ballmer was on Planet Zubac all along.

Lol. Read this Doc apologist article.
https://www.si.com/nba/2020/09/29/clippers-fire-doc-rivers-early-exit-playoffs

Its crazy how the whole NBA media is siding with doc.

Total BS. If it was budenholzer, they would be calling for his head! Brett Brown, they called for his head! Media needs to shut the eff up about Doc! Doc playing trezz literally cost us the trip to the WCF. Too boneheaded to make adjustments. I'm glad he's gone. If he goes to find success somewhere else, good for him. But for the clippers he was terrible! Terrible in the FO and terrible as a coach. I tried to give him a chance this season. I was a defender of his right until the playoffs.

The media coddles Doc because he used to be a broadcaster. They consider him "one of their own."

MartinToVaught wrote:The media coddles Doc because he used to be a broadcaster. They consider him "one of their own."

He has a carefully crafted image as this "classy" guy too.

There's no real safe place to just launch an attack on him. You truly have to keep it at how bad his coaching is (or his GMing). So either the media isn't savvy at pointing out coaching flaws OR pointing out those flaws (overplaying Harrell) isn't gonna get the clicks and you need something juicier like he lost/ couldn't motivate the team anymore. There was discord in the locker room.

He plays his hands VERY VERY well.

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MartinToVaught wrote:The media coddles Doc because he used to be a broadcaster. They consider him "one of their own."

He has a carefully crafted image as this "classy" guy too.

There's no real safe place to just launch an attack on him. You truly have to keep it at how bad his coaching is (or his GMing). So either the media isn't savvy at pointing out coaching flaws OR pointing out those flaws (overplaying Harrell) isn't gonna get the clicks and you need something juicier like he lost/ couldn't motivate the team anymore. There was discord in the locker room.

He plays his hands VERY VERY well.

His treatment of refs isn't very classy. Neither was his nepotism with Austin. Or the blatant favoritism he shows to certain players over others.

There's plenty to criticize Doc for. The media is just reluctant to do it because they consider him part of their fraternity. This is also why they keep pushing Mark Jackson and JVG for every open coaching job over more qualified candidates for the modern NBA.

MartinToVaught wrote:

Quake Griffin wrote:

MartinToVaught wrote:The media coddles Doc because he used to be a broadcaster. They consider him "one of their own."

This is also why they keep pushing Mark Jackson and JVG for every open coaching job over more qualified candidates for the modern NBA.

Of course the people that work with Mark Jackson and SVG want them to get hired into coaching jobs, then they wouldn't have to work with them any longer.

Someone pointed out that Doc probably bought himself a couple of years because he went through the whole Sterling mess, being in the middle of the media spotlight then.

Then the Blake shooting in WI again put him on center stage but it didn't save him this time.

I also find it interesting on some other threads, that some fans are saying they are a bit worried that Ballmer fired Doc, and that the owner shouldn't be too involved, ie Dolan and Ranadive...

While every fan has their own opinion about who should take the most blame for the series loss, I kind of feel that those who view the Doc firing as unfair, and felt Doc was screwed by Kawhi or Ballmer or whatever, those fans aren't the ones who were closely watching the team throughout the whole playoffs...

It's already been discussed in length, that certain matchups were very unfavorable to us, and that adjustments were not made as the series went on. The same formula was used over and over again, and it led to the same result. Sure, it doesn't help that the team was shooting poorly, but It doesn't take a sports analyst to understand that it's the coach's job to try to remedy that.

If it was a first time head coach making these mistakes, then sure, I can understand that. But for the second highest paid coach in the NBA, second after Pop and ahead of Carlisle, two elite coaches, that is just inexcusable. Just like in boxing, it's the coaches job to tell the boxer what to do if they are losing. They don't leave it up to the boxer to figure things out on their own. They don't just say, "hit the guy, and stop getting hit" (ie. we need to score and get stops, or whatever he said to the reporter).

That's why I find it funny when there are posters saying they are afraid Ballmer is getting too involved. In my opinion, I would be afraid if Ballmer didn't fire Doc... This shows me that he's not messing around, and he wants to win. Keeping Doc for another year would have been the easy thing to do, but by firing Doc, it shows he's serious, and I love that.

agree w/all points

Really hope it's not true that Lue is "in strong position" to be the next coach. If they hire him, I'm back to where I was before the Doc firing: dreading next season with zero hope of winning anything when it matters.

Lue is the quintessential Clippers hire that never works for us, but we just keep trying it anyway.

MartinToVaught wrote:Really hope it's not true that Lue is "in strong position" to be the next coach. If they hire him, I'm back to where I was before the Doc firing: dreading next season with zero hope of winning anything when it matters.

Lue is the quintessential Clippers hire that never works for us, but we just keep trying it anyway.

I'm not as pessimistic as you about Lue, but I'd rather have Cassell or Billups.

lue could be fine. cassell could be fine. i'd be concerned about a guy who has no previous coaching experience at all.

If Doc gets another job, how many of you guys would want to see him lose with the new team?

Or you don't care what he does, as long as he's off the Clippers?

i wouldn't care but there are certainly enough petty guys who would.

Report: Sixers expected to offer head-coaching job to Doc Rivers

https://www.inquirer.com/sixers/philadelphia-sixers-doc-rivers-ty-lue-mike-dantoni-20200930.html



Former Los Angeles Clippers coach Doc Rivers interviewed for the team’s vacant head-coaching job on Wednesday. Rivers has a serious chance of becoming the next coach.

Rivers talked with general manager Elton Brand during the day and met with the team’s ownership at night. Sources have said Rivers really wants this job, and the expectation was that he would blow away the Sixers ownership group with his infectious personality.

He reportedly watched Wednesday night’s Game 1 of the NBA Finals between the Miami Heat and Los Angeles Lakers with the Sixers. KRON4 News in California reported that a job offer is expected to follow soon.

Rivers, if hired, would be reunited with forward Tobias Harris.



Harris played parts of two seasons with the Clippers before being traded to the Sixers on Feb. 6, 2019. He averaged a career-best 20.9 points and shot a career-best 43.4% on three-pointers in 55 games during the 2018-19 season before the trade.

Harris thrives in the pick-and-roll sets Rivers likes to run. Meanwhile, sources said Rivers is excited about the opportunity to coach a preeminent center like Joel Embiid and loves big point guards like 6-foot-10 Ben Simmons.

Rivers checks a lot of boxes for the Sixers and, like Lue, comes with an NBA-championship pedigree.


The Pelicans also reached out to Rivers.

esqtvd wrote:Report: Sixers expected to offer head-coaching job to Doc Rivers

https://www.inquirer.com/sixers/philadelphia-sixers-doc-rivers-ty-lue-mike-dantoni-20200930.html



Former Los Angeles Clippers coach Doc Rivers interviewed for the team’s vacant head-coaching job on Wednesday. Rivers has a serious chance of becoming the next coach.

Rivers talked with general manager Elton Brand during the day and met with the team’s ownership at night. Sources have said Rivers really wants this job, and the expectation was that he would blow away the Sixers ownership group with his infectious personality.

He reportedly watched Wednesday night’s Game 1 of the NBA Finals between the Miami Heat and Los Angeles Lakers with the Sixers. KRON4 News in California reported that a job offer is expected to follow soon.

Rivers, if hired, would be reunited with forward Tobias Harris.



Harris played parts of two seasons with the Clippers before being traded to the Sixers on Feb. 6, 2019. He averaged a career-best 20.9 points and shot a career-best 43.4% on three-pointers in 55 games during the 2018-19 season before the trade.

Harris thrives in the pick-and-roll sets Rivers likes to run. Meanwhile, sources said Rivers is excited about the opportunity to coach a preeminent center like Joel Embiid and loves big point guards like 6-foot-10 Ben Simmons.

Rivers checks a lot of boxes for the Sixers and, like Lue, comes with an NBA-championship pedigree.


The Pelicans also reached out to Rivers.

I'm sure he's chomping at the bits to play Toby on Boban, KP, Jokic and any 7 footer out there.

esqtvd wrote:Report: Sixers expected to offer head-coaching job to Doc Rivers

https://www.inquirer.com/sixers/philadelphia-sixers-doc-rivers-ty-lue-mike-dantoni-20200930.html



Former Los Angeles Clippers coach Doc Rivers interviewed for the team’s vacant head-coaching job on Wednesday. Rivers has a serious chance of becoming the next coach.

Rivers talked with general manager Elton Brand during the day and met with the team’s ownership at night. Sources have said Rivers really wants this job, and the expectation was that he would blow away the Sixers ownership group with his infectious personality.

He reportedly watched Wednesday night’s Game 1 of the NBA Finals between the Miami Heat and Los Angeles Lakers with the Sixers. KRON4 News in California reported that a job offer is expected to follow soon.

Rivers, if hired, would be reunited with forward Tobias Harris.



Harris played parts of two seasons with the Clippers before being traded to the Sixers on Feb. 6, 2019. He averaged a career-best 20.9 points and shot a career-best 43.4% on three-pointers in 55 games during the 2018-19 season before the trade.

Harris thrives in the pick-and-roll sets Rivers likes to run. Meanwhile, sources said Rivers is excited about the opportunity to coach a preeminent center like Joel Embiid and loves big point guards like 6-foot-10 Ben Simmons.

Rivers checks a lot of boxes for the Sixers and, like Lue, comes with an NBA-championship pedigree.


The Pelicans also reached out to Rivers.

Looks like you have a new fanbase to troll.

wco81 wrote:If Doc gets another job, how many of you guys would want to see him lose with the new team?

Or you don't care what he does, as long as he's off the Clippers?

I'd only be pissed if Doc suddenly becomes a genius at adjustments and rotations on his next team while we hire some mediocre retread like Lue. That would be the most Clippers outcome imaginable, but fortunately, Doc is way too stubborn to ever change his ways.

Don’t know how I feel about Lue. He showed a willingness to shuffle lineups when the data indicated he should in Cleveland, but he doesn’t seem like the guy to implement a more fluid offensive system than we saw this year.