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Re: Luke Kennard 4 Years $64 Ms 

Post#21 » by NoZoLakers » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:25 am

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NoZoLakers wrote:im not getting your issue here, all i said was kuz wasnt worth trading with his current salary cause its so low this yr so what does it matter what he makes compared to keannard? we're less "stuck" with kuz than the clipps are with kennard especially with how season has gone so far for both players

You responded to a post comparing Kuzma and Kennard's new deals, and stated Kuzma makes peanuts and has a tradeable contract when they both signed similar contract extensions and are both on the last year of their rookie deal. So if Kuzma is making peanuts then so is Kennard.

It's only been 3 games. I would probably cool it with the hot takes.

hot takes? so he hasnt been utterly terrible?
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Re: Luke Kennard 4 Years $64 Ms 

Post#22 » by poultryfan » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:29 am

NoZoLakers wrote:hot takes? so he hasnt been utterly terrible?

Making definitive conclusions based on a small sample size is the definition of a hot take.
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Re: Luke Kennard 4 Years $64 Ms 

Post#23 » by Roscoe Sheed » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:30 am

Hopefully his shot comes along- it likely will if he is a knock down shooter. However, I'm very concerned about his defense- he looks like a stiff out there on D- almost Teodosic level.
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Re: Luke Kennard 4 Years $64 Ms 

Post#24 » by NoZoLakers » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:32 am

poultryfan wrote:
NoZoLakers wrote:hot takes? so he hasnt been utterly terrible?

Making definitive conclusions based on a small sample size is the definition of a hot take.

its enough to figure out frank bamboozled himself, i mean what exactly is Kennard doing out there that some run of the mill gleague guy can't do?
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Re: Luke Kennard 4 Years $64 Ms 

Post#25 » by James2000 » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:59 am

You got to realize that he only played like close to 24 games and etc. When you are away from the game this long, expect long lapse of rust and bricks. Give him time to get back on track and then let's see if he is good or not
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Re: Luke Kennard 4 Years $64 Ms 

Post#26 » by donemilio21 » Mon Dec 28, 2020 1:16 am

We committed $16M a year for a minimum of 3 years (after this year) to a guy we never saw playing. FO gamble big time thinking he may become a JJ Reddick, Gordon Hayward or Victor Oladipo type offensive threat by his 4th year in the league. So far that is looking like a massive losing bet.
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Re: Luke Kennard 4 Years $64 Ms 

Post#27 » by James2000 » Mon Dec 28, 2020 1:23 am

donemilio21 wrote:We committed $16M a year for a minimum of 3 years (after this year) to a guy we never saw playing. FO gamble big time thinking he may become a JJ Reddick, Gordon Hayward or Victor Oladipo type offensive threat by his 4th year in the league. So far that is looking like a massive losing bet.


Yeah, but it is only 3 games, and we are concerned about it. It is going to be ok.
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Re: Luke Kennard 4 Years $64 Ms 

Post#28 » by donemilio21 » Mon Dec 28, 2020 1:34 am

James2000 wrote:
donemilio21 wrote:We committed $16M a year for a minimum of 3 years (after this year) to a guy we never saw playing. FO gamble big time thinking he may become a JJ Reddick, Gordon Hayward or Victor Oladipo type offensive threat by his 4th year in the league. So far that is looking like a massive losing bet.


Yeah, but it is only 3 games, and we are concerned about it. It is going to be ok.

maybe. maybe not.
Chandler Parsons signed a huge deal with Memphis, he combined for 21 points, 3 assist and 10 rebounds in his first three games while playing a total of 65 minutes.
Kennard is at 19 pts, 5 ast and 10 reb in 70 minutes so far in three games. :cry:
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Re: Luke Kennard 4 Years $64 Ms 

Post#29 » by James2000 » Mon Dec 28, 2020 1:39 am

donemilio21 wrote:
James2000 wrote:
donemilio21 wrote:We committed $16M a year for a minimum of 3 years (after this year) to a guy we never saw playing. FO gamble big time thinking he may become a JJ Reddick, Gordon Hayward or Victor Oladipo type offensive threat by his 4th year in the league. So far that is looking like a massive losing bet.


Yeah, but it is only 3 games, and we are concerned about it. It is going to be ok.

maybe. maybe not.
Chandler Parsons signed a huge deal with Memphis, he combined for 21 points, 3 assist and 10 rebounds in his first three games while playing a total of 65 minutes.
Kennard is at 19 pts, 5 ast and 10 reb in 70 minutes so far in three games. :cry:


I understand completely what you mean. However, its early. I don't disagree with what you say. I just say give it a chance and just have faith.
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Re: Luke Kennard 4 Years $64 Ms 

Post#30 » by TheNewEra » Mon Dec 28, 2020 3:12 am

One day at a time
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Re: Luke Kennard 4 Years $64 Ms 

Post#31 » by og15 » Mon Dec 28, 2020 4:33 am

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poultryfan wrote:
NoZoLakers wrote:hot takes? so he hasnt been utterly terrible?

Making definitive conclusions based on a small sample size is the definition of a hot take.

its enough to figure out frank bamboozled himself, i mean what exactly is Kennard doing out there that some run of the mill gleague guy can't do?

Here’s the reality, 99% of the time, unless there’s a significant injury, massive change in role, age factor, etc, players will revert back to around their average rate of production and shooting percentages. That’s just what happens, constantly, with thousands of examples. So, unless there’s some outside factor inhibiting him, Kennard will most likely revert to around 44/40 shooting and per 36 numbers around 15-16 ppg, 4-5 rpg and 3.5-4.5 apg. If he does not, there will be some issue that causes that which we will find out at some point in time.

Last season, Kennard had a 3 games stretch where he averaged 10/3/5 and shot 30% FG, 18% 3PT, so this so far is still just a poor 3 game stretch. If he’s still playing like this at the end of January or in February, then it is a problem.

In the Clippers 14-15 season, after the first 10 games, Redick was shooting 37/31, people were going wild, some of us kept saying, law of averages, he doesn’t have any injuries, his role is not drastically changed. He shot 49/45 over the remaining 68 games and finished the season at 48/44 shooting. Soo.....we’ll see..
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Re: Luke Kennard 4 Years $64 Ms 

Post#32 » by Roscoe Sheed » Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:08 am

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NoZoLakers wrote:
poultryfan wrote:Making definitive conclusions based on a small sample size is the definition of a hot take.

its enough to figure out frank bamboozled himself, i mean what exactly is Kennard doing out there that some run of the mill gleague guy can't do?

Here’s the reality, 99% of the time, unless there’s a significant injury, massive change in role, age factor, etc, players will revert back to around their average rate of production and shooting percentages. That’s just what happens, constantly, with thousands of examples. So, unless there’s some outside factor inhibiting him, Kennard will most likely revert to around 44/40 shooting and per 36 numbers around 15-16 ppg, 4-5 rpg and 3.5-4.5 apg. If he does not, there will be some issue that causes that which we will find out at some point in time.

Last season, Kennard had a 3 games stretch where he averaged 10/3/5 and shot 30% FG, 18% 3PT, so this so far is still just a poor 3 game stretch. If he’s still playing like this at the end of January or in February, then it is a problem.

In the Clippers 14-15 season, after the first 10 games, Redick was shooting 37/31, people were going wild, some of us kept saying, law of averages, he doesn’t have any injuries, his role is not drastically changed. He shot 49/45 over the remaining 68 games and finished the season at 48/44 shooting. Soo.....we’ll see..

I'm not too concerned about his shooting- it's his defense I'm worried about.

I never watched him very closely in the past, but watching him with the Clippers I've noticed that he is quite a poor defender- he doesn't move his feet well- whether it's lack of athleticism or effort, I don't know. Hopefully it is effort, because if he can't move his feet better he is almost a Teodosic level liability. Korver at age 40 is still a better defender than him from what I've seen.
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Re: Luke Kennard 4 Years $64 Ms 

Post#33 » by og15 » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:40 pm

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og15 wrote:
NoZoLakers wrote:its enough to figure out frank bamboozled himself, i mean what exactly is Kennard doing out there that some run of the mill gleague guy can't do?

Here’s the reality, 99% of the time, unless there’s a significant injury, massive change in role, age factor, etc, players will revert back to around their average rate of production and shooting percentages. That’s just what happens, constantly, with thousands of examples. So, unless there’s some outside factor inhibiting him, Kennard will most likely revert to around 44/40 shooting and per 36 numbers around 15-16 ppg, 4-5 rpg and 3.5-4.5 apg. If he does not, there will be some issue that causes that which we will find out at some point in time.

Last season, Kennard had a 3 games stretch where he averaged 10/3/5 and shot 30% FG, 18% 3PT, so this so far is still just a poor 3 game stretch. If he’s still playing like this at the end of January or in February, then it is a problem.

In the Clippers 14-15 season, after the first 10 games, Redick was shooting 37/31, people were going wild, some of us kept saying, law of averages, he doesn’t have any injuries, his role is not drastically changed. He shot 49/45 over the remaining 68 games and finished the season at 48/44 shooting. Soo.....we’ll see..

I'm not too concerned about his shooting- it's his defense I'm worried about.

I never watched him very closely in the past, but watching him with the Clippers I've noticed that he is quite a poor defender- he doesn't move his feet well- whether it's lack of athleticism or effort, I don't know. Hopefully it is effort, because if he can't move his feet better he is almost a Teodosic level liability. Korver at age 40 is still a better defender than him from what I've seen.

Yes, very true, movement wise he seems like he needs to be defending 3's, but size wise he should be defending 2's.
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Re: Luke Kennard 4 Years $64 Ms 

Post#34 » by TheNewEra » Mon Dec 28, 2020 2:21 pm

Still plenty of time to improve and I’m optimistic about that going forward. Kennard might be closer to his first two years on this this team than his last year in Detroit on a small sample size. Kennard likely won’t come close to playing 32 mins on this team and on a contender I don’t see with his defense how it could be sustainable. If he can get 20-25 mpg and get his 12-14 ppg on great efficiency it could be solid.
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Re: Luke Kennard 4 Years $64 Ms 

Post#35 » by og15 » Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:12 pm

Yea, I don't really care too much about trying to make an in depth discussion of limited sample sizes, so I agree wholeheartedly. I'll give him like 20 games before I start making any conclusive statements about what he might or might not be able to do on this team.
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Re: Luke Kennard 4 Years $64 Ms 

Post#36 » by TheNewEra » Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:07 pm

We need Kennard “Just Shoot It” signs and shirts when fans are allowed back
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Re: Luke Kennard 4 Years $64 Ms 

Post#37 » by TucsonClip » Sat Jan 2, 2021 7:27 pm

A Lakers fan bashing the Kennard extension, who has clearly never see Kennard play basketball before.
Plus, why would I want to go to the NBA? Duke players suck in the pros.

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Re: Luke Kennard 4 Years $64 Ms 

Post#38 » by Clemenza » Mon Jan 4, 2021 4:32 am

Put some respect on this man's name!!
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Re: Luke Kennard 4 Years $64 Ms 

Post#39 » by og15 » Mon Jan 4, 2021 4:11 pm

He brought it last night, his shooting percentages are up to 47/48 now. While I’m not expecting that to stay so high, it might be possible to get around 45/42 from him.

Like we tried to explain to NoZoLakers, People have to take it easy with small sample size conclusions. Just like we don’t expect him to shoot 63% FG / 80% 3PT like he has the last 4 games, he wasn’t going to be a bad shooter or inefficient player :lol:
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Re: Luke Kennard 4 Years $64 Ms 

Post#40 » by madmaxmedia » Mon Jan 4, 2021 6:23 pm

Even though he hasn't been off to a blazing start, I'm not worried about Kennard at all. To me he's clearly gonna be an upgrade over Shamet, and his contract is fine IMO. I understand the concerns about defense, but at the offensive end he is a much more well-rounded backcourt player than Shamet and can contribute in multiple ways. Shamet made his impact as basically a catch-and-shoot guy only (as much as we were hoping he'd develop into significantly more.)

When you can only shoot, that's when the pressure is on. Kennard's shot will be fine, and he doesn't have to force a bunch of 3-pointers early to prove himself on this team.

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