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How is Frank any better than GM Doc?

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Re: How is Frank any better than GM Doc? 

Post#61 » by MartinToVaught » Thu Mar 25, 2021 6:37 pm

Frank now has his very own "first-round pick for Jeff Green" moment:

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Terrible. This front office is clueless.
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Re: How is Frank any better than GM Doc? 

Post#62 » by clipperlover » Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:48 pm

MartinToVaught wrote:Frank now has his very own "first-round pick for Jeff Green" moment:

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Terrible. This front office is clueless.


OMG. Are your really getting worked up over a 2023 and 2027 2nd round picks?
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Re: How is Frank any better than GM Doc? 

Post#63 » by og15 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:54 am

clipperlover wrote:
MartinToVaught wrote:Frank now has his very own "first-round pick for Jeff Green" moment:

Read on Twitter


Terrible. This front office is clueless.


OMG. Are your really getting worked up over a 2023 and 2027 2nd round picks?

I was going to let someone say this one. I’m not sure I’m coming at any GM for trading 2nd round picks, one from a likely to be playoff team (Portland in 23), and one 6 seasons from now which can easily be recouped over the next 6 years :lol:

I didn’t think any assets should be added to the trade, but it’s not that big a deal or something to bring a thread like this back up for.
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Re: How is Frank any better than GM Doc? 

Post#64 » by Clemenza » Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:43 am

clipperlover wrote:
MartinToVaught wrote:Frank now has his very own "first-round pick for Jeff Green" moment:

Read on Twitter


Terrible. This front office is clueless.


OMG. Are your really getting worked up over a 2023 and 2027 2nd round picks?

Exactly.. not to mention that Ballmer buys 2nd round picks damn near every draft
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Re: How is Frank any better than GM Doc? 

Post#65 » by esqtvd » Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:27 am

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clipperlover wrote:OMG. Are you really getting worked up over a 2023 and 2027 2nd round picks?


Exactly.. not to mention that Ballmer buys 2nd round picks damn near every draft


2nd-round picks are fun, but no more than face-savers for the other GM. Hell, any 1st-rounder after 20 is a monkey pick, that's why you have to trade like 3 at once. Ainge stacked up picks like poker chips and he's got a .500 team.

I do think that winning trades is the secret to GM success. Funny thing is, I just read no GMs want to deal with Ainge because he won't trade unless he thinks he's fleecing you. After you shake hands with him, you count your fingers.

That is not how successful business is done. It's like playing poker with a guy who only bets when he's holding aces. Screw that, and screw him.
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Re: How is Frank any better than GM Doc? 

Post#66 » by Kelphus » Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:09 pm

MartinToVaught wrote:Frank now has his very own "first-round pick for Jeff Green" moment:

Read on Twitter


Terrible. This front office is clueless.


So, let me recall.... you have written over and over that Lou Will was worthless... so in your eyes we gave up a worthless asset to get a proven point guard with multiple rings.

Please help me understand why in your world this was a bad deal.
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The Jeff Green Context 

Post#67 » by Wammy Giveaway » Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:15 pm

When Martin says "Jeff Green" deal, he refers to erasing a mistake. At time, Clippers traded Lance Stephenson and a 1st round draft pick for Jeff Green after Doc Rivers noticed that Stephenson wasn't working as a possible small forward, following the duds of Paul Pierce (who he desperately wanted at that spot until father time knocked at his door) and Wesley Johnson (a cursed player who causes teams to lose games no matter what good stats he puts up). This was the start of the Clippers having guards and forwards pretend to be a small forward, starting with natural power forward Luc Mbah A Moute playing the 3. Like Pierce and Johnson, Green was pretty much a cursed player too: his stats were all over the place, usually putting up good numbers against beatable playoff opponents (4th through 8th), especially during garbage time, but not great against elite teams (1st through 3rd) and some lottery teams in close games. His numbers were weird.

In this context, the Clippers wanted Rondo badly early in the offseason but his asking price was too high, so he settled with Hawks. It's not necessarily a mistake in that Stephenson was a free agent that turned out bad, Williams was already under contract but declining. Clippers were trying to win a title and the Sixth Man award as once, but it's been proven time and time again that valuing a role player over your superstars only gets you into trouble. Only four times in NBA history have teams gone on to get both the Sixth Man award and a championship. Clippers were getting too personally attached to Williams, which has led the franchise astray in their priorities.
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Re: How is Frank any better than GM Doc? 

Post#68 » by MartinToVaught » Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:36 am

Is it safe to say that Oturu was another waste of a draft pick by this front office? He couldn't even get minutes over Patrick Patterson when we were shorthanded on the second night of a back-to-back against one of the worst rosters in the league. I guess it could just be stubbornness from Lue, but seeing how Mann has developed and earned trust from this same coaching staff, I doubt it.

It's just mindboggling how nobody in the media ever criticizes this front office. They aren't particularly good at anything.
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Re: How is Frank any better than GM Doc? 

Post#69 » by RingColluder » Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:00 am

MartinToVaught wrote:Is it safe to say that Oturu was another waste of a draft pick by this front office? He couldn't even get minutes over Patrick Patterson when we were shorthanded on the second night of a back-to-back against one of the worst rosters in the league. I guess it could just be stubbornness from Lue, but seeing how Mann has developed and earned trust from this same coaching staff, I doubt it.

It's just mindboggling how nobody in the media ever criticizes this front office. They aren't particularly good at anything.


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Re: How is Frank any better than GM Doc? 

Post#70 » by RingColluder » Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:00 am

having said that the Mann and coffee pics look fantastic
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Re: The Jeff Green Context 

Post#71 » by esqtvd » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:00 am

Wammy Giveaway wrote:At time, Clippers traded Lance Stephenson and a 1st round draft pick for Jeff Green after Doc Rivers noticed that Stephenson wasn't working as a possible small forward, following the duds of Paul Pierce (who he desperately wanted at that spot until father time knocked at his door) and Wesley Johnson (a cursed player who causes teams to lose games no matter what good stats he puts up). This was the start of the Clippers having guards and forwards pretend to be a small forward, starting with natural power forward Luc Mbah A Moute playing the 3. Like Pierce and Johnson, Green was pretty much a cursed player too: his stats were all over the place, usually putting up good numbers against beatable playoff opponents (4th through 8th), especially during garbage time, but not great against elite teams (1st through 3rd) and some lottery teams in close games. His numbers were weird.




Jeff Green played well for us---so well that Orlando vastly overpaid him to steal him away. Plus we dumped Lance, who not only played like shi*it but acted out twice, the second time even after Doc gave him a second chance after the JR slapfight.

Believe what you want but this whole narrative is bullshi*it.
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Re: How is Frank any better than GM Doc? 

Post#72 » by Clemenza » Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:04 pm

MartinToVaught wrote:Is it safe to say that Oturu was another waste of a draft pick by this front office? He couldn't even get minutes over Patrick Patterson when we were shorthanded on the second night of a back-to-back against one of the worst rosters in the league. I guess it could just be stubbornness from Lue, but seeing how Mann has developed and earned trust from this same coaching staff, I doubt it.

It's just mindboggling how nobody in the media ever criticizes this front office. They aren't particularly good at anything.

Too early on Oturu who was a 2nd round pick. Next year will know what's what on him.
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Re: The Jeff Green Context 

Post#73 » by Clemenza » Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:07 pm

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Wammy Giveaway wrote:At time, Clippers traded Lance Stephenson and a 1st round draft pick for Jeff Green after Doc Rivers noticed that Stephenson wasn't working as a possible small forward, following the duds of Paul Pierce (who he desperately wanted at that spot until father time knocked at his door) and Wesley Johnson (a cursed player who causes teams to lose games no matter what good stats he puts up). This was the start of the Clippers having guards and forwards pretend to be a small forward, starting with natural power forward Luc Mbah A Moute playing the 3. Like Pierce and Johnson, Green was pretty much a cursed player too: his stats were all over the place, usually putting up good numbers against beatable playoff opponents (4th through 8th), especially during garbage time, but not great against elite teams (1st through 3rd) and some lottery teams in close games. His numbers were weird.




Jeff Green played well for us---so well that Orlando vastly overpaid him to steal him away. Plus we dumped Lance, who not only played like shi*it but acted out twice, the second time even after Doc gave him a second chance after the JR slapfight.

Believe what you want but this whole narrative is bullshi*it.

Doc didn't use JR the right way and made Junior the focal point of the 2nd unit. Everybody agrees to this. You're the only Clipper fan I know online and off that says differently.
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Re: The Jeff Green Context 

Post#74 » by esqtvd » Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:42 pm

Clemenza wrote:
esqtvd wrote:
Wammy Giveaway wrote:At time, Clippers traded Lance Stephenson and a 1st round draft pick for Jeff Green after Doc Rivers noticed that Stephenson wasn't working as a possible small forward, following the duds of Paul Pierce (who he desperately wanted at that spot until father time knocked at his door) and Wesley Johnson (a cursed player who causes teams to lose games no matter what good stats he puts up). This was the start of the Clippers having guards and forwards pretend to be a small forward, starting with natural power forward Luc Mbah A Moute playing the 3. Like Pierce and Johnson, Green was pretty much a cursed player too: his stats were all over the place, usually putting up good numbers against beatable playoff opponents (4th through 8th), especially during garbage time, but not great against elite teams (1st through 3rd) and some lottery teams in close games. His numbers were weird.




Jeff Green played well for us---so well that Orlando vastly overpaid him to steal him away. Plus we dumped Lance, who not only played like shi*it but acted out twice, the second time even after Doc gave him a second chance after the JR slapfight.

Believe what you want but this whole narrative is bullshi*it.

Doc didn't use JR the right way and made Junior the focal point of the 2nd unit. Everybody agrees to this. You're the only Clipper fan I know online and off that says differently.



Jamal was the focal point of the second unit. And Jeff Green was brought in to play SF but Blake got hurt in the spring and then again in the playoffs, so the dream lineup never happened. [CP also went down.] Austin has nothing to do with this.

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Re: How is Frank any better than GM Doc? 

Post#75 » by TheNewEra » Thu Apr 1, 2021 5:47 pm

Frank should bring in someone else while waiting for Cousins. Hollis Jefferson on a 10 day as well?
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Re: How is Frank any better than GM Doc? 

Post#76 » by Clemenza » Thu Apr 8, 2021 5:19 am

B, b, but wait it gets worse

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Re: How is Frank any better than GM Doc? 

Post#77 » by og15 » Thu Apr 8, 2021 1:46 pm

Jerome Robinson is a Jerry West move, he ended up being a really bad pick, and he was considered a reach too, but we all went along with it, because, well, Jerry West endorsed it, yikes!

There's always the funny narrative that this or that player didn't develop because they weren't spoonfed minutes. Jerome Robinson got 16 mpg over his last 80 NBA games, and he was just bad all the way through.

It is possible that he can work through lower leagues and get himself back in the NBA in the future.
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Re: How is Frank any better than GM Doc? 

Post#78 » by donemilio21 » Thu Apr 8, 2021 9:59 pm

Lawrance Frank is not very good, I think neither is Jerry West when it comes to negotiating.
Look at the negotiations of the past couple years.
Starting with PG trade: 5 FRPs + 2 swaps + Shai + Gallinari. Whoever was in charge in those negotiations got finessed by Presti. Don't come at me like "but it was a two for one deal, we got Kawhi too" story, because Presti did not have anything to do with Kawhi. Did Thunder have another offer remotely close to what we paid? I hardly believe so. We had to get PG, but we should have gotten him for a lot less.

Morris trade: Yes, we needed him, but was there anyone else offering a first round pick for 20 games of Morris ? Doubt it.

Rondo trade: We could have gotten a high 2nd round pick or even a late first rounder if we were looking to trade Lou straight up. Him plus 2 second rounders were an overpay.

Our FO goes after the right players, and gets them, but overpays for them. And this is not about valuing picks. I don't say that we should actually drafted players with those picks (our FO is horrible at that too), but there is no reason to give up assets that could land us better players.
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Re: How is Frank any better than GM Doc? 

Post#79 » by nickhx2 » Thu Apr 8, 2021 11:40 pm

yeah why come at you with the actual facts of the matter just because you don't like how it actually went down?

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Re: How is Frank any better than GM Doc? 

Post#80 » by ILC » Fri Apr 9, 2021 1:14 pm

I am convinced Rondo trade was agreed upon in the offseason.

Clippers were after him, didn't have the money for both him and Ibaka, decided to sign Ibaka and trade for Rondo bc it would've been much harded if not impossible the other way around. Hawks got 2nds for their participation, Rondo rested and chilled near his family for a couple months and now is on a contender again.
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