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Post#81 » by Captain Ballmer » Sat Jan 9, 2021 8:21 am

esqtvd wrote:
KL2 wrote:Lue effed us this game. He needed to bench Lou, Morris, and Zu faster.


yo bro, with all due respect--

PG 39 minutes
Kawhi 34 minutes with a mask on his head
Ibaka & Batum 30 minutes each
Beverley 28


Ty gave the rest their burn. In a WON game.

Morris 18 minutes [1-7] MINUS-20
Zubac 17 minutes [1-4, 3 TOs] MINUS-26
Kennard 18 minutes MINUS-22
Lou [poor fellow :-? ] 16 minutes MINUS-25


He needed to bench Lou, Morris, and Zu faster.



He would have, if he could have. I'm not a Ty fan yet but this one is not on his head. Our 4th game in 6 nights. And it's only Game 10.


There is no such a thing like Won game. You won only after 48 minutes. We Clippers fans should know better than anyone.

Second Half;
Kerr outcoached Lue with benching Wiseman-Oubre, adjust to our strength&weaknesses.
As a result Curry find the holes outplayed Kawhi&PG

When opponents adjusts we are in trouble. PHX, UTH, Spurs and now GSW enough sample size. We can't even put our best players in a good positions yet. Blaming bench is easy but we have more important problems to solve, than bench issues could address easily. Looks like not much different than last year. Lue is on the screen for prime time to work now in my view.
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Post#82 » by Captain Ballmer » Sat Jan 9, 2021 10:30 am

Taking the blame is one thing we used to. Adjusting and responsing are something we are not. You have an A class assistants. Eyes on you Lue.

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Post#83 » by esqtvd » Sat Jan 9, 2021 11:01 am

Captain Ballmer wrote:
esqtvd wrote:
KL2 wrote:Lue effed us this game. He needed to bench Lou, Morris, and Zu faster.


yo bro, with all due respect--

PG 39 minutes
Kawhi 34 minutes with a mask on his head
Ibaka & Batum 30 minutes each
Beverley 28


Ty gave the rest their burn. In a WON game.

Morris 18 minutes [1-7] MINUS-20
Zubac 17 minutes [1-4, 3 TOs] MINUS-26
Kennard 18 minutes MINUS-22
Lou [poor fellow :-? ] 16 minutes MINUS-25


He needed to bench Lou, Morris, and Zu faster.



He would have, if he could have. I'm not a Ty fan yet but this one is not on his head. Our 4th game in 6 nights. And it's only Game 10.


There is no such a thing like Won game. You won only after 48 minutes. We Clippers fans should know better than anyone.

Second Half;
Kerr outcoached Lue with benching Wiseman-Oubre, adjust to our strength&weaknesses.
As a result Curry find the holes outplayed Kawhi&PG

When opponents adjusts we are in trouble. PHX, UTH, Spurs and now GSW enough sample size. We can't even put our best players in a good positions yet. Blaming bench is easy but we have more important problems to solve, than bench issues could address easily. Looks like not much different than last year. Lue is on the screen for prime time to work now in my view.



Lue played the starters into the ground, bench were all minus-20 in limited minutes. Numbers aren't everything but they're not meaningless either.

I'm not dogging the bench either, who have never played together. And all props to Steph and Draymond, champions both. I'm not into the blame game. They beat us.
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Post#84 » by Sofia » Sat Jan 9, 2021 1:30 pm

Didn’t watch but I checked the score at the half and saw Clips up 14, yet I still I expected a loss.

These types of games don’t even sting anymore, just builds further indifference.
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Post#85 » by og15 » Sat Jan 9, 2021 2:17 pm

esqtvd wrote:
Captain Ballmer wrote:
esqtvd wrote:
yo bro, with all due respect--

PG 39 minutes
Kawhi 34 minutes with a mask on his head
Ibaka & Batum 30 minutes each
Beverley 28


Ty gave the rest their burn. In a WON game.

Morris 18 minutes [1-7] MINUS-20
Zubac 17 minutes [1-4, 3 TOs] MINUS-26
Kennard 18 minutes MINUS-22
Lou [poor fellow :-? ] 16 minutes MINUS-25





He would have, if he could have. I'm not a Ty fan yet but this one is not on his head. Our 4th game in 6 nights. And it's only Game 10.


There is no such a thing like Won game. You won only after 48 minutes. We Clippers fans should know better than anyone.

Second Half;
Kerr outcoached Lue with benching Wiseman-Oubre, adjust to our strength&weaknesses.
As a result Curry find the holes outplayed Kawhi&PG

When opponents adjusts we are in trouble. PHX, UTH, Spurs and now GSW enough sample size. We can't even put our best players in a good positions yet. Blaming bench is easy but we have more important problems to solve, than bench issues could address easily. Looks like not much different than last year. Lue is on the screen for prime time to work now in my view.



Lue played the starters into the ground, bench were all minus-20 in limited minutes. Numbers aren't everything but they're not meaningless either.

I'm not dogging the bench either, who have never played together. And all props to Steph and Draymond, champions both. I'm not into the blame game. They beat us.

Starters were not played to the ground though. That's a statement reserved for a game where 3+ starters are out there for 37+ minutes. The only person with extra minutes was PG, everyone else played an average minute night.

The bench played around a little over 1/3 of the game, so I also wouldn't call that limited minutes. Reggie Jackson played limited minutes.

Beverley didn't have enough foul trouble to not add another 3-4 minutes. Sometimes though it's about seeing what is happening and adjusting. Lue did choose the wrong adjustment options tonight, maybe a different night he goes a different way.

Zubac was not a presence on defense and couldn't take advantage on offense. The Warriors had a smaller lineup and Lue after seeing an ineffective Zubac could have gone with Patterson at C or Morris at C in a small ball lineup. Lue ran different players with Lou, Kennard, Morris, Zubac.

He had Jackson, then PG, then Kawhi. They were -2 with Jackson, -9 with PG and then -10 with Kawhi. He kept trying to salvage that unit, but based on the flow of the night he should have broken up that unit.

5 game minutes can change a game. The Williams, Kennard, Morris, Zubac lineup with George and then with Kawhi was in total -19 in the second half.

A lot of basketball happens in 2-3 minutes and I believe Lue should have gone away from that general combination when they started to look shaky and were giving up points and stagnant. He instead looked to adjust who was with them going from Jackson in the first half to PG/Kawhi.

Here are the lineups from last night:
https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/traditional/?Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateFrom=01%2F08%2F2021&DateTo=01%2F09%2F2021&TeamID=1610612746


Now, technically, if he can run:
Lou/Kennard/(George or Kawhi)/Morris/Zubac

They shouldn't be attrocious on defense, the forward and C position should be able to make up for the guards, right? Maybe, maybe not. If not, it's a early lesson that Lou is not going to work on the team after the contract given to Kennard.
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Post#86 » by MartinToVaught » Sat Jan 9, 2021 2:46 pm

NickP wrote:Lou Williams needs to go. It seems he's throwing games away. Bad shot selection, bad passing by dribbling into a crowd and then horrible TOs.

I honestly think Lou's pouting because we moved on from his buddy Trez. All the more reason to move on from Lou too.
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Post#87 » by SK21209 » Sat Jan 9, 2021 3:25 pm

Listened to Zach Lowe’s podcast yesterday and he discussed the Clips for about 10 minutes or so. He noted that we’re near the bottom of the league in percentage of shots taken at or near the rim, which I think is a big part in blowing these leads. If the Lakers feel a 20 point lead slipping away, LeBron or AD just bully their way into the paint for easy baskets or free throws. We really don’t have that and frankly just try on our long jump shots consistently going in. This is something we need to keep an eye on.
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Post#88 » by Roscoe Sheed » Sat Jan 9, 2021 4:04 pm

SK21209 wrote:Listened to Zach Lowe’s podcast yesterday and he discussed the Clips for about 10 minutes or so. He noted that we’re near the bottom of the league in percentage of shots taken at or near the rim, which I think is a big part in blowing these leads. If the Lakers feel a 20 point lead slipping away, LeBron or AD just bully their way into the paint for easy baskets or free throws. We really don’t have that and frankly just try on our long jump shots consistently going in. This is something we need to keep an eye on.

Good point- they need to stop relying on jump shots so much. However, they only have a few guys that can get to the rim- Kawhi, PG, and Lou. Kawhi is definitely strong enough, but sometimes it seems like he is quick enough to get to the rim or he settles for jumpers too much.
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Post#89 » by Roscoe Sheed » Sat Jan 9, 2021 4:06 pm

Sofia wrote:Didn’t watch but I checked the score at the half and saw Clips up 14, yet I still I expected a loss.

These types of games don’t even sting anymore, just builds further indifference.


Good for you that you can react that way, but for me it still stings :banghead:
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Post#90 » by wco81 » Sat Jan 9, 2021 4:29 pm

Sofia wrote:Didn’t watch but I checked the score at the half and saw Clips up 14, yet I still I expected a loss.

These types of games don’t even sting anymore, just builds further indifference.


Over the course of the season it may turn out to be that in most of these 2-game series, it’s difficult for one team to sweep much less dominate, though it looked that way through about half way through the third quarter last nite.


Clips gave the Warriors a lot of wide open looks from 3. Many of those were to other Warriors as they aggressively trapped Curry and for the first time this season, Warriors nailed them, 20-41.

But Curry got loose to make 9-14, some off transition, a couple off scramble. Compare that to first game where he was only 1-6, 5-17 for only 13 points.

As for the Clippers bench, they got out scored by the Warriors bench in both games I believe but the Clippers starters came back in the fourth and put the game away. They may know the bench is a weak part of the team but maybe the plan is to manage the minutes of the starters in the regular season so that they can play big minutes in the post season.
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Post#91 » by playaloc916 » Sat Jan 9, 2021 4:46 pm

SK21209 wrote:He noted that we’re near the bottom of the league in percentage of shots taken at or near the rim, which I think is a big part in blowing these leads. If the Lakers feel a 20 point lead slipping away, LeBron or AD just bully their way into the paint for easy baskets or free throws. We really don’t have that and frankly just try on our long jump shots consistently going in. This is something we need to keep an eye on.

And this is what I pointed out in the game that they beat the Warriors. The lead was slipping rapidly (likely because of settling for bad shots), Kawhi got back in the game, and immediately drove to the rim on multiple possessions and got fouled. I think one of them was when Draymond tried to yank Kawhi's arm leading to that flagrant. The team quickly stopped the bleeding and regained some control.

I don't know why they couldn't do that this game. There should be enough athleticism on the bench (Reggie, maybe Mann or Coffey?). Enough with trying to pass in the crowded paint, or slowly post up and attempt a contested fadeaway... One of the coaches needs to stand there with a sign saying "drive and get fouled" whenever they start settling for bad shots. Maybe this is an opportunity to bring in the OG Clipper who is an expert of this, Corey "bad porn" Maggette, and show these boys how it's done?
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Post#92 » by KL2 » Sat Jan 9, 2021 5:11 pm

I knew it was bad but these numbers look made up. Sheesh. Lue better figure this out right quick.

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Post#93 » by Roscoe Sheed » Sat Jan 9, 2021 5:39 pm

Sometimes it doesn’t even seem like Lou is looking at where he passes- he had some horrible turnovers.

I wonder if okc would be interested in a Lou for Hill swap
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Post#94 » by Roscoe Sheed » Sat Jan 9, 2021 5:56 pm

I think Lue needs to figure out how to pair kawhi and Zubac together more- they had great chemistry last season and now they hardly ever play together
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Post#95 » by LamarWho » Sat Jan 9, 2021 6:43 pm

Roscoe Sheed wrote:Sometimes it doesn’t even seem like Lou is looking at where he passes- he had some horrible turnovers.

I wonder if okc would be interested in a Lou for Hill swap


That would be my dream scenario for a lou trade. George Hill playing on a rebuilding team is such a waste.

But I think they will be more interested in draft picks than Lou.
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Post#96 » by wco81 » Sat Jan 9, 2021 7:23 pm

If Clippers can't trade Lou, they'd probably try to do a sign and trade in the offseason, to be able to use his salary slot?

Seems like he's missing a great dive guy like Harrell to create some easy baskets.
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Post#97 » by floppymoose » Sat Jan 9, 2021 7:57 pm

Hi guys, i come in peace. The Warriors announcers were commenting on how Paschall was feasting on Zubac, and i have to agree. I think Morris would have been the guy to run against Paschall.
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Post#98 » by esqtvd » Sat Jan 9, 2021 8:44 pm

playaloc916 wrote:
SK21209 wrote:He noted that we’re near the bottom of the league in percentage of shots taken at or near the rim, which I think is a big part in blowing these leads. If the Lakers feel a 20 point lead slipping away, LeBron or AD just bully their way into the paint for easy baskets or free throws. We really don’t have that and frankly just try on our long jump shots consistently going in. This is something we need to keep an eye on.

And this is what I pointed out in the game that they beat the Warriors. The lead was slipping rapidly (likely because of settling for bad shots), Kawhi got back in the game, and immediately drove to the rim on multiple possessions and got fouled. I think one of them was when Draymond tried to yank Kawhi's arm leading to that flagrant. The team quickly stopped the bleeding and regained some control.

I don't know why they couldn't do that this game. There should be enough athleticism on the bench (Reggie, maybe Mann or Coffey?). Enough with trying to pass in the crowded paint, or slowly post up and attempt a contested fadeaway... One of the coaches needs to stand there with a sign saying "drive and get fouled" whenever they start settling for bad shots. Maybe this is an opportunity to bring in the OG Clipper who is an expert of this, Corey "bad porn" Maggette, and show these boys how it's done?



Bingo. Clippers are averaging 19.5 FTAs this year after leading the league last year at 26.5.


With Trez gone, Kawhi 6.0 [FTAs/gm] and PG [4.0] are the only ones consistently getting to the line. After that, forget it. And IIRC, Trez had 30 or 40% of our shots at the rim last year.

The Clippers are 29th in shots taken from under 10 feet. 26th in FTAs. We're also 28th in rebounds. We need a beast, or at least some serious beasting up from this bunch.


[Kawai averaged 7.6 FTAs last year; PG 4.6. Trez was second with at 5.6.]

[Lou is averaging 1.4 FTA this year after averaging 5.2 last year. Hmmm.]
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Post#99 » by Max Headrom » Sat Jan 9, 2021 8:50 pm

floppymoose wrote:Hi guys, i come in peace. The Warriors announcers were commenting on how Paschall was feasting on Zubac, and i have to agree. I think Morris would have been the guy to run against Paschall.


Morris or even Patterson could've probably been much better. I remember in the playoffs where it went 6 games, Zu was getting played off the floor. Looks like the Warriors are just a bad match up for him. It's still early so, I'm sure the coaching staff is gonna work out the kinks whenever they have to play again
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Post#100 » by TheNewEra » Sat Jan 9, 2021 9:04 pm

Roscoe Sheed wrote:Sometimes it doesn’t even seem like Lou is looking at where he passes- he had some horrible turnovers.

I wonder if okc would be interested in a Lou for Hill swap



When running the pick and roll he’s throwing bullet jump passes right to the defender

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