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Re: GAME 50: Clippers (32-17) vs Nuggets (32-17)—Thursday 10PM 

Post#101 » by esqtvd » Fri Apr 2, 2021 7:24 am

baldur wrote:do you think you'll get more wins than the suns? I would like to hear some insight as I bet on clippers to win the division. You don't need to feel responsible as I already bet. Phoenix got a tough schedule but clippers don't look consistent either. so....



We have no idea what we've got. Beverley has been in and out since January. We had just plugged Morris in for Batum when Ibaka went down. Now we've dumped Lou Williams-who ran the second team--for a guy [Rondo] who hasn't even practiced yet. We look like a pickup team again. We have one youngster [Mann] who is thriving on the chaos and another who is totally lost unless you spoonfeed him his shots.

And Kawhi seems exhausted and PG's foot is in constant pain. Otherwise, things are going great.
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Post#102 » by RingColluder » Fri Apr 2, 2021 7:51 am

baldur wrote:do you think you'll get more wins than the suns? I would like to hear some insight as I bet on clippers to win the division. You don't need to feel responsible as I already bet. Phoenix got a tough schedule but clippers don't look consistent either. so....


no

too many injuries and the team is not good


I might change my mind depending on rondo
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Post#103 » by RingColluder » Fri Apr 2, 2021 7:56 am

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TheNewEra wrote:Internet doing George dirty

That clip of him blowing that layup is trending on twitter. Why does he do this to himself and the team. Hurt toe or not that's still a soft dunk with minimum effort


why are you surprised? this isn't a new thing for him. dude is just bad near the basket.

at least some players look to draw contact but I guess his shoulder issue is still bothering him enough where he doesn't want to get physical.
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Post#104 » by RingColluder » Fri Apr 2, 2021 7:57 am

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baldur wrote:do you think you'll get more wins than the suns? I would like to hear some insight as I bet on clippers to win the division. You don't need to feel responsible as I already bet. Phoenix got a tough schedule but clippers don't look consistent either. so....



We have no idea what we've got. Beverley has been in and out since January. We had just plugged Morris in for Batum when Ibaka went down. Now we've dumped Lou Williams-who ran the second team--for a guy [Rondo] who hasn't even practiced yet. We look like a pickup team again. We have one youngster [Mann] who is thriving on the chaos and another who is totally lost unless you spoonfeed him his shots.

And Kawhi seems exhausted and PG's foot is in constant pain. Otherwise, things are going great.


Looking like another season where we don't get a full squad to practice together at all for the entire season. There's just so many issues that aren't being covered by the mainstream with this team.

And did anyone ask Ty Lue if Mann is starting next game or not? Reggie cannot be starting with this particular group. I think Ty Lue is waiting hoping for Bev/Rondo to come be the starter and doesn't want Mann w that job, but he deserves it.
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Post#105 » by RingColluder » Fri Apr 2, 2021 8:04 am

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Clemenza wrote:Thank you, I'm just trying to see you admit to something on Kawhi for once. And yes PG was sh*t in most of this game. He shouldn't have played tbh. But the game can't be ALL on him when the usual suspects won't suit up to play and stay in street clothes. So they get a pass? You give out a lot of passes that's for sure. I bet you wake up in the morning and the first thing you do is curse PG and at night say a prayer before bed hoping that he gets traded in the morning. Zu is ballin' so I guess we're safe from the Trez talk tonight until Zu has an off night. Too agenda heavy.

Also we have to realize the dynamic is that PG and Kawhi pretty much play the same position.. of course Kawhi is the better of the two but normally you try to have a star guard and the other star is a totally different position to balance things out. Celtic fans and media are now questioning the Tatum/Brown duo which is kind of mirroring ours. Two guys- same position- same skill set.. both taking turns every time on offense. The Blazers with Lillard/CJ, Simmons/Embiid, etc. Tough to do but you want the Kobe/Shaq, Jokic/Murray, Westbrook/Durant, type offsetting dynamic. Hopefully Rondo can bring some balance


Can you stop being weird, I just want to have a championship team. I've multiple times given credit to Zu AND in the game where PG went like 10-30 and people were bashing him online I gave him his due and admired he toughed it out based on the circumstance.

When PG is making max money I'm not going to blame Rajon Rondo for not playing, even. Bev. He is washed it is what it is. Did you watch Kawhi in the Raptors playoff run? This is the type of player he is, I think your expectations of what his game is ar ertotally different than who he is as an actual player.


And the fit is awful with both PG and Kawhi I agree. That's why PG needs to sacrifice and do the Marcus Morris role of today. Play defense and sit in a corner shooting 3's. That's it. He is not a PG, he is not the best 2nd offensive option on this team.

Please stop with the constant insults. You seem to be open to discussion but your attitude sucks. Just calling it out since most people here can manage to debate without acting like an ****.

I'll chill with the insults and of course I watched the Raptors run. It was great but it really helped them out when Durant was injured. And really it has nothing to do with the Clippers. I realize its do or die this year but still have to call out something if I or you see fit. I was just calling out that Kawhi had a bad finish tonight and you take it personally. And its weird that you pull out a PG diss -which I do get when he has a bad game- but 99% of your posts, no matter the thread or subject, is pretty much a PG diss outright or will somehow end in one by the last sentence. Trust me I get it -I think we all get it- he frustrates and puzzles me just as much as the next guy but you're so extreme and out of control with it. Why is this?


So when LeBron in the Laker days and some occasional Cav days would carry the team on his back for 3 quarters then get tired in the 4th you'd blame him then too? That's a Skip Bayless take homie. And even then LBJ at times would play passively and not want to shoot in the clutch, Kawhi doesn't have the issue.

This game was NOT on Kawhi whatsoever. He went 10-22 played 39 (!!!) minutes after playing two back to back games in 4 days, with 12 rebounds, 3x more than Zubac who played 30 minutes. You just don't make sense. Yeah he didn't finish well, but Jesus Christ the game isn't even close without him chipping in during the 4th quarter RUN AND throughout the rest of the game.

And PG is making max money. 226 million for 5 years. Not to mention our team looked SO good with ball movement especially in the first team lineup with him absent. You're trying to find random players to blame when the issue is staring at you in the face. Why I am going to blame Morris who once again has his role diminished when he played fantastic without PG or... anyone else? Zu? Kennard? Like really?

And the fact you're excusing Kawhi's Raptors win as, "bc Durant in injured" is totally ignoring him once again putting the team on his back for that 76ers series.

It's not a personal thing, I just can't fathom how someone can watch this game with two eyes and come to your conclusion. If that's how you feel that's your right, we just have totally different ways of watching basketball. :-? :-? :noway:
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Post#106 » by esqtvd » Fri Apr 2, 2021 8:34 am

RingColluder wrote:
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baldur wrote:do you think you'll get more wins than the suns? I would like to hear some insight as I bet on clippers to win the division. You don't need to feel responsible as I already bet. Phoenix got a tough schedule but clippers don't look consistent either. so....



We have no idea what we've got. Beverley has been in and out since January. We had just plugged Morris in for Batum when Ibaka went down. Now we've dumped Lou Williams-who ran the second team--for a guy [Rondo] who hasn't even practiced yet. We look like a pickup team again. We have one youngster [Mann] who is thriving on the chaos and another who is totally lost unless you spoonfeed him his shots.

And Kawhi seems exhausted and PG's foot is in constant pain. Otherwise, things are going great.


Looking like another season where we don't get a full squad to practice together at all for the entire season. There's just so many issues that aren't being covered by the mainstream with this team.

And did anyone ask Ty Lue if Mann is starting next game or not? Reggie cannot be starting with this particular group. I think Ty Lue is waiting hoping for Bev/Rondo to come be the starter and doesn't want Mann w that job, but he deserves it.



Mann is earning 20+ minutes, which is all that matters. As I said above, he's thriving on the chaos. I'm not sure where he'll fit in when things get more organized and deliberate. More, um, professional. This is a fire drill.

Our best plus/minus lineup is still KL-PG-Ibaka-Batum-Beverley. Jackson-for-Beverley is statistically the same.

Getting Marcus and Zu going was the reason for the shuffle. With Lou gone, we are starting over with Rondo running the show. Ty admits he has no plan. We might be in worse shape than last year--the team and rotations had jelled when the COVID hit in March. This year the only thing we DO know works is the starting 5--if they are even the starting 5 anymore.

Blowing it up by throwing a starting lineup of Marcus, Mann and Zu out there with KL and PG makes no sense to me. What we need to do is find the CLOSING 5 and work backwards from there. I have no idea if Mann will be part of it. I'd guess KL-PG-Ibaka-Rondo and either Bev or Batum depending on matchups, and Marcus for Ibaka if we go small. I don't know if Zu and especially Mann are ready for Prime Time. Right now they're doing well in the dog days of the regular season but playoff crunchtime is a whole different animal.
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Post#107 » by RingColluder » Fri Apr 2, 2021 8:45 am

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We have no idea what we've got. Beverley has been in and out since January. We had just plugged Morris in for Batum when Ibaka went down. Now we've dumped Lou Williams-who ran the second team--for a guy [Rondo] who hasn't even practiced yet. We look like a pickup team again. We have one youngster [Mann] who is thriving on the chaos and another who is totally lost unless you spoonfeed him his shots.

And Kawhi seems exhausted and PG's foot is in constant pain. Otherwise, things are going great.


Looking like another season where we don't get a full squad to practice together at all for the entire season. There's just so many issues that aren't being covered by the mainstream with this team.

And did anyone ask Ty Lue if Mann is starting next game or not? Reggie cannot be starting with this particular group. I think Ty Lue is waiting hoping for Bev/Rondo to come be the starter and doesn't want Mann w that job, but he deserves it.



Mann is earning 20+ minutes, which is all that matters. As I said above, he's thriving on the chaos. I'm not sure where he'll fit in when things get more organized and deliberate. More, um, professional. This is a fire drill.

Our best plus/minus lineup is still KL-PG-Ibaka-Batum-Beverley. Jackson-for-Beverley is statistically the same.

Getting Marcus and Zu going was the reason for the shuffle. With Lou gone, we are starting over with Rondo running the show. Ty admits he has no plan. We might be in worse shape than last year--the team and rotations had jelled when the COVID hit in March. This year the only thing we DO know works is the starting 5--if they are even the starting 5 anymore.

Blowing it up by throwing a starting lineup of Marcus, Mann and Zu out there with KL and PG makes no sense to me. What we need to do is find the CLOSING 5 and work backwards from there. I have no idea if Mann will be part of it. I'd guess KL-PG-Ibaka-Rondo and either Bev or Batum depending on matchups, and Marcus for Ibaka if we go small. I don't know if Zu and especially Mann are ready for Prime Time. Right now they're doing well in the dog days of the regular season but playoff crunchtime is a whole different animal.


I think in chaos or without it, Mann has looked phenomenal. He's playing with the exact same fire and mindset he had last year only now his offensive game has improved tremendously both attacking the basket and from 3. He would thrive in a system with Rondo but his skillset is way too similar to Bev. I really would consider starting him, but doesn't seem like Lue views him like that. A very Doc move sadly with the whole "young player" thing when we gotta win a ring now.

Ty admitted he had no plan? WTF. I'm getting slightly concerned we got scammed by the Hawks and Rondo won't be playing at all or at most like 12 minutes a game. Hopefully he's just devising a master plan but I'd love to see him in action against the Lakers Sunday. And yes, we definitely are in way worse shape than last year.

I think it's clear our closing 5 will most likely include Mann going forward. I'm fine with not starting him, PROVIDED Bev/Rondo are inactive. If this is our same rotation for the Lakers, Trailblaer, Suns game, TMann has to start. Reggie just ain't it especially w PG on the floor who I guess is more of a scorer than Batum or whoever else. Reggie's another guy who would be very helpful w Rondo who is his polar opposite skillset wise.

Ibaka hasn't been closing as many games as Batum before his injury, no? Same with Morris, seems like Ibaka would start and then not close games in a manner like Bev. I feel more comfortable w Mann than any of Zu, Reggie, Bev, Kennard, etc in a closing situation. All he needs is the opportunity. The man is going 6-7, 7-8 and helping tremendously on the boards with Kawhi. To me he's looked better than Bev all season. I understand Bev is scrappy or whatever (but clearly not in his prime), but already Mann looks more refined and dynamic to me.

Bottom line is as long as Ibaka, and company continue to be out we have to try something new. Do not like this lineup at all as it is currently, and the only guys I trust to run the PG position are Mann, Rondo and Bev. I do not want Reggie or Paul George being a PG whatsoever on this team, they are both awful at it as we see every single game. PG would have had 4 TO's that led to easy baskets instead of 2 without 2 lucky bounces. He can't be holding the ball for 75% of games whenever he plays, it is not a winning formula whatsoever.
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Post#109 » by Captain Ballmer » Fri Apr 2, 2021 4:25 pm

Yep, the offense is sucks lately, let me inject some hope to your veins.

Sam Cassell, Cuttino Mobley, Shaun Livingston, Corey Maggette, Chris Kaman.
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Post#110 » by clipperlover » Fri Apr 2, 2021 5:46 pm

The problem with this team is the "Live by the 3 die by the 3" mentality. We don't have a team full of pure shooters, so we are going to die by the 3 regularly against better defense.

When 71% of the shots taken among Morris, Kennard and Patterson are 3 pointers (12) and they only make 1, i don't think Kawhi and Paul George are the issue.

What makes Terance Mann such a breath of fresh air? He doesn't rely on the 3 to score his points. He attacks. He plays basketball.
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Post#111 » by madmaxmedia » Fri Apr 2, 2021 5:52 pm

RingColluder wrote:
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baldur wrote:do you think you'll get more wins than the suns? I would like to hear some insight as I bet on clippers to win the division. You don't need to feel responsible as I already bet. Phoenix got a tough schedule but clippers don't look consistent either. so....



We have no idea what we've got. Beverley has been in and out since January. We had just plugged Morris in for Batum when Ibaka went down. Now we've dumped Lou Williams-who ran the second team--for a guy [Rondo] who hasn't even practiced yet. We look like a pickup team again. We have one youngster [Mann] who is thriving on the chaos and another who is totally lost unless you spoonfeed him his shots.

And Kawhi seems exhausted and PG's foot is in constant pain. Otherwise, things are going great.


Looking like another season where we don't get a full squad to practice together at all for the entire season. There's just so many issues that aren't being covered by the mainstream with this team.

And did anyone ask Ty Lue if Mann is starting next game or not? Reggie cannot be starting with this particular group. I think Ty Lue is waiting hoping for Bev/Rondo to come be the starter and doesn't want Mann w that job, but he deserves it.


Yeah Reggie has been great lately but his best fit is with the second unit, Bev/Rondo for sure would be better for first unit depending on matchups or whatever.
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Post#112 » by esqtvd » Fri Apr 2, 2021 6:02 pm

nickhx2 wrote:for you dinguses who are crying about paul george being bad this game

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31181181/la-clippers-paul-george-trying-figure-how-manage-toe-injury


exactly--we might be worse off than last year at this point
fortunately the end of the season is May 16 because of the late start this year
we still have 6 weeks


The Clippers (32-18) dropped their second straight game after winning six in a row. Like last season, the Clippers have had difficulty developing chemistry and continuity due to constant disruption from injuries, a lack of practice time and not enough consistent time together.

Patrick Beverley has not played in 11 straight games because of a knee injury. Serge Ibaka (back) missed his 10th consecutive game, and Rajon Rondo (adductor) hasn't played since joining the Clippers in a trade last week.

The team has looked tired and out of sorts the past two games, which finished a stretch that saw it play six games in nine nights.

"I mean, it's no pity party," George said. "Nobody is going to feel sorry for us because we have guys out. We got to find the way to get the job done, and I think we have been doing that up until the last two games before we had some slippage."

"Hopefully at some point we will have a full healthy team," George added. "For us it is just building habits and creating an identity, which you always want to do. As well as we have played this year, the identity of this team, we are still trying to solidify that. At some point we got to find who we are and stick to that as a team."
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Post#113 » by madmaxmedia » Fri Apr 2, 2021 6:08 pm

clipperlover wrote:The problem with this team is the "Live by the 3 die by the 3" mentality. We don't have a team full of pure shooters, so we are going to die by the 3 regularly against better defense.

When 71% of the shots taken among Morris, Kennard and Patterson are 3 pointers (12) and they only make 1, i don't think Kawhi and Paul George are the issue.

What makes Terance Mann such a breath of fresh air? He doesn't rely on the 3 to score his points. He attacks. He plays basketball.


He's also the only young athletic guy who is a rotation player, which makes him stand out even more. Luke and Ivica are young but athleticism and quickness are not their strengths. We have a bunch of really capable ~30 year olds, which is not old but you can see the difference on the floor with these guys and Mann (which is not to discount his individual hustle and effort.)

For all the games our guys have missed this year, there's probably an equal number of games in which they were hindered but still healthy enough to play. I think that's also inevitable with age.
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Post#114 » by esqtvd » Fri Apr 2, 2021 6:22 pm

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clipperlover wrote:The problem with this team is the "Live by the 3 die by the 3" mentality. We don't have a team full of pure shooters, so we are going to die by the 3 regularly against better defense.

When 71% of the shots taken among Morris, Kennard and Patterson are 3 pointers (12) and they only make 1, i don't think Kawhi and Paul George are the issue.

What makes Terance Mann such a breath of fresh air? He doesn't rely on the 3 to score his points. He attacks. He plays basketball.


He's also the only young athletic guy who is a rotation player, which makes him stand out even more. Luke and Ivica are young but athleticism and quickness are not their strengths. We have a bunch of really capable ~30 year olds, which is not old but you can see the difference on the floor with these guys and Mann (which is not to discount his individual hustle and effort.)

For all the games our guys have missed this year, there's probably an equal number of games in which they were hindered but still healthy enough to play. I think that's also inevitable with age.



These are the dog days when hustle and energy rule. Everything slows down in the playoffs. We shall see. I wouldn't be surprised if it favors Kennard--I thought he was a spectator on offense last night [AGAIN] but I was happy to see he got to his spots on defense. Mann is more of a wild card, and he stands out in the playground ball we've been playing with half the team out. How that translates to the playoffs and the half-court game remains to be seen.
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Post#115 » by Clemenza » Fri Apr 2, 2021 7:23 pm

esqtvd wrote:
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clipperlover wrote:The problem with this team is the "Live by the 3 die by the 3" mentality. We don't have a team full of pure shooters, so we are going to die by the 3 regularly against better defense.

When 71% of the shots taken among Morris, Kennard and Patterson are 3 pointers (12) and they only make 1, i don't think Kawhi and Paul George are the issue.

What makes Terance Mann such a breath of fresh air? He doesn't rely on the 3 to score his points. He attacks. He plays basketball.


He's also the only young athletic guy who is a rotation player, which makes him stand out even more. Luke and Ivica are young but athleticism and quickness are not their strengths. We have a bunch of really capable ~30 year olds, which is not old but you can see the difference on the floor with these guys and Mann (which is not to discount his individual hustle and effort.)

For all the games our guys have missed this year, there's probably an equal number of games in which they were hindered but still healthy enough to play. I think that's also inevitable with age.



These are the dog days when hustle and energy rule. Everything slows down in the playoffs. We shall see. I wouldn't be surprised if it favors Kennard--I thought he was a spectator on offense last night [AGAIN] but I was happy to see he got to his spots on defense. Mann is more of a wild card, and he stands out in the playground ball we've been playing with half the team out. How that translates to the playoffs and the half-court game remains to be seen.

Let it play out before you throw derogatory labels around like that. That guy has busted his ass off to get where's he's at. His defense, rebounding, hustle, and knocking down an occasional corner three isn't playground ball
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Post#116 » by esqtvd » Fri Apr 2, 2021 7:41 pm

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He's also the only young athletic guy who is a rotation player, which makes him stand out even more. Luke and Ivica are young but athleticism and quickness are not their strengths. We have a bunch of really capable ~30 year olds, which is not old but you can see the difference on the floor with these guys and Mann (which is not to discount his individual hustle and effort.)

For all the games our guys have missed this year, there's probably an equal number of games in which they were hindered but still healthy enough to play. I think that's also inevitable with age.



These are the dog days when hustle and energy rule. Everything slows down in the playoffs. We shall see. I wouldn't be surprised if it favors Kennard--I thought he was a spectator on offense last night [AGAIN] but I was happy to see he got to his spots on defense. Mann is more of a wild card, and he stands out in the playground ball we've been playing with half the team out. How that translates to the playoffs and the half-court game remains to be seen.


Let it play out before you throw derogatory labels around like that. That guy has busted his ass off to get where's he's at. His defense, rebounding, hustle, and knocking down an occasional corner three isn't playground ball



Cautious before I hand him a starting job. Until a month ago Mann had the WORST plus/minus on the Clippers. Lately he has one of the best but we are NOT playing sound basketball, so the results are suspect.

And I'm NO Kennard fan but even though he had another passive game last night I still said something nice about him. This is about facts, not feelings. I draw no conclusions--for good or ill--about what's happening with the Clippers right now with half the team out. Mann has earned playoff rotation minutes--which is a big deal--but how many is an open question.
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Post#117 » by Clemenza » Fri Apr 2, 2021 8:15 pm

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These are the dog days when hustle and energy rule. Everything slows down in the playoffs. We shall see. I wouldn't be surprised if it favors Kennard--I thought he was a spectator on offense last night [AGAIN] but I was happy to see he got to his spots on defense. Mann is more of a wild card, and he stands out in the playground ball we've been playing with half the team out. How that translates to the playoffs and the half-court game remains to be seen.


Let it play out before you throw derogatory labels around like that. That guy has busted his ass off to get where's he's at. His defense, rebounding, hustle, and knocking down an occasional corner three isn't playground ball



Cautious before I hand him a starting job. Until a month ago Mann had the WORST plus/minus on the Clippers. Lately he has one of the best but we are NOT playing sound basketball, so the results are suspect.

And I'm NO Kennard fan but even though he had another passive game last night I still said something nice about him. This is about facts, not feelings. I draw no conclusions--for good or ill--about what's happening with the Clippers right now with half the team out. Mann has earned playoff rotation minutes--which is a big deal--but how many is an open question.

He's played great, even during the six game winning streak. So players being out= playground ball or is it the iso one-on-one offense= playground ball? If you just said you want to see how he looks with the full squad playing I definitely get it. I'm just trying to get your definition of "playground ball" which sounds cheap, lowlife, unorganized ghetto ball.. nothing which I see that associates with Mann's play. And I didn't mention Kennard at all
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Post#118 » by esqtvd » Fri Apr 2, 2021 8:46 pm

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Let it play out before you throw derogatory labels around like that. That guy has busted his ass off to get where's he's at. His defense, rebounding, hustle, and knocking down an occasional corner three isn't playground ball



Cautious before I hand him a starting job. Until a month ago Mann had the WORST plus/minus on the Clippers. Lately he has one of the best but we are NOT playing sound basketball, so the results are suspect.

And I'm NO Kennard fan but even though he had another passive game last night I still said something nice about him. This is about facts, not feelings. I draw no conclusions--for good or ill--about what's happening with the Clippers right now with half the team out. Mann has earned playoff rotation minutes--which is a big deal--but how many is an open question.

He's played great, even during the six game winning streak. So players being out= playground ball or is it the iso one-on-one offense= playground ball? If you just said you want to see how he looks with the full squad playing I definitely get it. I'm just trying to get your definition of "playground ball" which sounds cheap, lowlife, unorganized ghetto ball.. nothing which I see that associates with Mann's play. And I didn't mention Kennard at all



I previously used "pickup" basketball. Use whatever term you like for an underpracticed, undermanned team. Mann is thriving in the chaos; Kennard is flailing. George is hobbling. Kawhi is trying to pace himself while still playing 35+ minutes and almost every game--a looooooooong way from "load management." Marcus is still trying to find himself. Batum has to re-find himself after being bumped from the starting unit. After QBing it for 3 1/2 seasons, Lou is gone so the second unit is 100% winging it. The defensive "heart and soul" of the team has missed the last 10 games. We're 8-7 in our last 15 games, thanks to a 6-game win streak against the Hornets; a hairy comeback from 20 down against the Hawks; 2 wins against a Spurs team in turmoil; an Embiid-less Sixers team on a long road trip; and a nice but weird win against the Bucks.

Which was offset by losing to the Magic, who just traded their 3 best players. You better hope we're playing like a "pickup" team, because if this is Clippers basketball, we are screwed, bro.
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Re: GAME 50: Clippers (32-17) vs Nuggets (32-17)—Thursday 10PM 

Post#119 » by Clemenza » Fri Apr 2, 2021 8:53 pm

esqtvd wrote:
Clemenza wrote:
esqtvd wrote:

Cautious before I hand him a starting job. Until a month ago Mann had the WORST plus/minus on the Clippers. Lately he has one of the best but we are NOT playing sound basketball, so the results are suspect.

And I'm NO Kennard fan but even though he had another passive game last night I still said something nice about him. This is about facts, not feelings. I draw no conclusions--for good or ill--about what's happening with the Clippers right now with half the team out. Mann has earned playoff rotation minutes--which is a big deal--but how many is an open question.

He's played great, even during the six game winning streak. So players being out= playground ball or is it the iso one-on-one offense= playground ball? If you just said you want to see how he looks with the full squad playing I definitely get it. I'm just trying to get your definition of "playground ball" which sounds cheap, lowlife, unorganized ghetto ball.. nothing which I see that associates with Mann's play. And I didn't mention Kennard at all



I previously used "pickup" basketball. Use whatever term you like for an underpracticed, undermanned team. Mann is thriving in the chaos; Kennard is flailing. George is hobbling. Kawhi is trying to pace himself while still playing 35+ minutes and almost every game--a looooooooong way from "load management." Marcus is still trying to find himself. Batum has to re-find himself after being bumped from the starting unit. After QBing it for 3 1/2 seasons, Lou is gone so the second unit is 100% winging it. The defensive "heart and soul" of the team has missed the last 10 games. We're 8-7 in our last 15 games, thanks to a 6-game win streak against the Hornets; a hairy comeback from 20 down against the Hawks; 2 wins against a Spurs team in turmoil; an Embiid-less Sixers team on a long road trip; and a nice but weird win against the Bucks.

Which was offset by losing to the Magic, who just traded their 3 best players. You better hope we're playing like a "pickup" team, because if this is Clippers basketball, we are screwed, bro.

Much better and clearer definition but to be honest with you most of the league is playing like this and are in the same boat. The favorites the Nets are the epitome of this. Not even sure if the injures stop for any team come playoff time. How about this Pels/Hawks game tonight..

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Re: GAME 50: Clippers (32-17) vs Nuggets (32-17)—Thursday 10PM 

Post#120 » by MartinToVaught » Fri Apr 2, 2021 8:54 pm

It must be exhausting having to do the same contrarian shtick whenever a young player on the Clippers shows promise, instead of just admitting you were wrong about the importance of drafting and development.
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