RingColluder wrote: og15 wrote:
Anyone with a clear BBIQ knows PG needs to SIT IN THE. CORNER shooting 3's, drawing attention from the defense rather than playing PG and taking dumb contested ISO 2's every other play that the defense knows he's shooting nearly all the time. That's why he's going 5-15 virtually every game and barely making an impact as a PG.
He played like this last year too, lets stop with the excuses.
I think we'd do a lot better with less extreme hyperbole. Paul George has played 38 games this season and has a total of 8 games with 33% or worse shooting. Saying he goes 5/15 virtually every game simply has no basis in reality.
Since returning from injury he's averaging 5.3 apg and 2.7 tpg, but the way you speak one would think he was averaging 5 tpg if they didn't watch the Clippers. Paul is having a tough stretch, no doubt, no denying that, but the excessive hyperbole is too much, let's have discussions about reality, not hyperbole.
If we really want to get into semantics, in the 2 most recent Magic and Lakers games, PG had at least 3 potential TO's in each game that ricocheted off the opponents and luckily into the Clippers players hands or a player that bounced it back out when the pass was bad. Do we need to really mark each time PG makes an awful pass even if ti doesn't result in a TO?
The extreme hyperbole is people talking like he is playing even close to a max player right now. If you showed me how Morris and PG have been playing since ASB and hid their salary numbers, I don't see how anyone could think PG is even coming close to his contract.
And in his last 15 games, PG has had 3-12, 7-21, 5-14, 5-14, 5-18, 3-12, 10-28 games. ... so arguably half of his last 15 (I would take out he Spurs shooting night) he has been very bad. If Morris or Reggie had these stats people would be screaming for him to get benched on here.
Who are the people talking as if he's playing close to a max player, "right now" though? In general sure, but specifically right now, who is arguing that?
The game results aren't very concerned with almost turnovers, and yes, Paul George is not an elite passer, who on the Clippers outside of Rondo who just joined a couple of games is or was? Yes, Paul George is flawed in the primary playmaker role, no one denies that, but he's been the best option in the starting lineup to maximize it, that's what you're not acknowledging.
Luckily the season is not only determined by the last 15, yes, we have determined that he's been struggling more recently, and he was great the 23 or so before that.
If Reggie or Morris had these bad stats for their last 15, but started the season averaging 25/6/5 on 52/49 for the first 23 games, and they had an injury hampering them, then there would be some understanding. Doesn't mean it's okay, doesn't mean we wouldn't complain, but there's a difference between saying PG has to play better, etc, and blaming PG for roster deficiency.
og15 wrote:It would be different if the Clippers had an elite playmaker at point guard and Paul George was usurping the offense, but again, and please stop skating around it. Paul George is the primary playmaker in the starting lineup because it is the best option based on the team make up. If Kawhi takes on that role, it disenfranchises Kawhi and gives him too much responsibility in order to make PG have fewer high turnover games, but I'm not seeing the argument of how that makes the whole team and offense better.
Beverley has shown he is not a playmaking PG his whole career, nice role player, but he's not good at that playmaking role. Jackson has been a primary playmaker, he's not the best decision maker if he has to do too much, and he's not a permanent fixture in the starting lineup to change how the lineup functions because of him. Coffey who was mentioned is not realistic to even comment on. Mann is a solid energy attacking player, and this has come alive with him not worrying about being PG. Dwayne Wade said that one of the biggest freedoms he had from his first to second season in the NBA was being moved off PG. He said when playing PG, you have to think too much, at off guard, he just played. Mann right now is just playing, I don't want him to start thinking too much.
TMann, Bev (when he comes back) or Rondo should be the PG at this point. I agree Kawhi should not have the role, but PG is atrocious at it. Even Reggie is a better PG than PG bc of his handles.
And players doing too much? That's PG right now. His shooting might improve a lot more if hes not forced to be the PG as well.
I'd rather have Mann's game sacrifice (and long term improve) bc of him getting the PG position than PG having to do way too much that he's not anywhere close to equipped for and sacrifice his shooting and team ball because of it.
Rondo should fix this. Portland and Phoenix will be great tests to see how our PG situation is.
Beverley is not a playmaker, I like him, but when it comes to playmaking he's better as a set up the offense and make the easier passes and third playmaker role.
Mann just found his energy and impact just playing and attacking without that being the point guard pressure. You don't try and push him into a different role with 20 games left in the season when you found a role he's impactful in, that's bad coaching.
Reggie is a decent player, but he's not a fixture in the starting lineup. Again, you don't alter the hierarchy there for a guy like Jackson, because in the playoffs if Beverley is healthy, it's not Jackson that will be playing with the starters, and it's not Bev that will be the primary playmaker when on with the starters. You have to think long term.
About Rondo, that's why Rondo was brought in, so yea, of course he's going to be point guard over George, that's the whole point of him being traded for.