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RingColluder wrote:and btw this PG turnover/assist, ball possession time debate will be unimportant hopefully be tomorrow as Rajon establishes his role AND Beverly comes back at some point.

The main issue will just be his shooting slump and willingness to draw contact for us to get FT's... and fo course developing chemistry and lineup rotations once everyone is back.

We are running out of time for that though. Need a status update on Ibaka and Bev ASAP

When the offensive game plan is drive and dump for a three, the officials aren't going to give you too many calls. Not getting to the line is a team wide issue. We are at the bottom of the league, so it isn't a player issue, but an offensive philosophy issue. We are #1 in FT%, but #27 in attempts. Only Kawhi, PG, Zubac and Mann (since ASB) are getting there regularly.

clipperlover wrote:

RingColluder wrote:and btw this PG turnover/assist, ball possession time debate will be unimportant hopefully be tomorrow as Rajon establishes his role AND Beverly comes back at some point.

The main issue will just be his shooting slump and willingness to draw contact for us to get FT's... and fo course developing chemistry and lineup rotations once everyone is back.

We are running out of time for that though. Need a status update on Ibaka and Bev ASAP

When the offensive game plan is drive and dump for a three, the officials aren't going to give you too many calls. Not getting to the line is a team wide issue. We are at the bottom of the league, so it isn't a player issue, but an offensive philosophy issue. We are #1 in FT%, but #27 in attempts. Only Kawhi, PG, Zubac and Mann (since ASB) are getting there regularly.

Not going to be one of these, "blame the refs" fans. So annoying from any team.

PG has to look to draw even more contact if he's not getting the calls. He does it twice a game and usually doesn't get it called.

RingColluder wrote:

clipperlover wrote:

RingColluder wrote:And does your 2-1 factor in the entire season or his TO ratio and assists from the last 1.5 or 2? Because lately he's closer to 4 TO's 4 or less assists a game than anything else.

I know you love these +/- TO ratio stats that look at the whole season and not the most recent 15 or so games, but even with the eye test there is no way in hell the way PG is currently playing is beneficial to our team in any way for the playoffs. It is not a winning formula. Nor has it been for his entire season.

It's like defending Carmelo Anthony's style of play knowning full well it consistently gets exposed in the playoffs every year.

Since the All-Star break: PG 6.8 Rbs/gm, 5.4 assts/gm, 2.7 Turnovers/gm and 18.4 ppg. So, it is a recent 2-1 assists to turnover ratio. During that time span he also had a 24pt, 9rb, 9 asts, 3 stl game vs the 76ers while Morris had a 13pt, 3 rbs, 1 ast 0 stl game. Against Denver, PG had 17 pts, 8 rbs 5 asts and 0 steals. Morris had 8 pts, 4 rbds, no assists, 1 stl.

I guess a near triple double vs the top team in the East is not something we need in the playoffs.

In his last 11, PG had had 6 games of 3 turnovers or less.

For the millionth time, I am not comparing PG and Morris's rebounds, assists TO's at all. Im talking purely as a offensive scorer, the TEAM (not your ego or your fandom of PG) would be better if we had Morris taking more of PG's shots.

If you don't bother to read what I'm writing I'm afraid we can't continue discussing things.

Of course, why look at the total basketball player and what it takes. The ball just magically gets to people without rebounds and assists. I guess those rebounds that PG pulls down that he whips ahead to Kawhi for a dunk have no impact on scoring.

I think Morris's 43% FG percentage from anywhere but the 3 pt line indicates that he is a one trick pony. The guy is 50% from 3 when a defender isn't within 4 ft of him, but drops to a 21% 3 pt shooter with a defender within 4 feet. PG hits over 37.5% from three with a defender near him.

RingColluder wrote:

clipperlover wrote:

RingColluder wrote:and btw this PG turnover/assist, ball possession time debate will be unimportant hopefully be tomorrow as Rajon establishes his role AND Beverly comes back at some point.

The main issue will just be his shooting slump and willingness to draw contact for us to get FT's... and fo course developing chemistry and lineup rotations once everyone is back.

We are running out of time for that though. Need a status update on Ibaka and Bev ASAP

When the offensive game plan is drive and dump for a three, the officials aren't going to give you too many calls. Not getting to the line is a team wide issue. We are at the bottom of the league, so it isn't a player issue, but an offensive philosophy issue. We are #1 in FT%, but #27 in attempts. Only Kawhi, PG, Zubac and Mann (since ASB) are getting there regularly.

Not going to be one of these, "blame the refs" fans. So annoying from any team.

PG has to look to draw even more contact if he's not getting the calls. He does it twice a game and usually doesn't get it called.

Who is "blaming the refs"? In the NBA, you aren't rewarded with FT attempts if you are sitting outside shooting jumpers. You have to attack the basket. The Clippers aren't consistently attacking the basket, they might attack, but then rather than go up to force the defender's hand and draw contact, they throw the ball to the 3 pt shooter (my most hated play in the current game). You have a shot two feet from the basket, but you throw it to someone standing at the three when you don't need a 3 point basket. The ball clanks and the other team is running a fast break the other way off the long rebound.

clipperlover wrote:

RingColluder wrote:

clipperlover wrote:

Since the All-Star break: PG 6.8 Rbs/gm, 5.4 assts/gm, 2.7 Turnovers/gm and 18.4 ppg. So, it is a recent 2-1 assists to turnover ratio. During that time span he also had a 24pt, 9rb, 9 asts, 3 stl game vs the 76ers while Morris had a 13pt, 3 rbs, 1 ast 0 stl game. Against Denver, PG had 17 pts, 8 rbs 5 asts and 0 steals. Morris had 8 pts, 4 rbds, no assists, 1 stl.

I guess a near triple double vs the top team in the East is not something we need in the playoffs.

In his last 11, PG had had 6 games of 3 turnovers or less.

For the millionth time, I am not comparing PG and Morris's rebounds, assists TO's at all. Im talking purely as a offensive scorer, the TEAM (not your ego or your fandom of PG) would be better if we had Morris taking more of PG's shots.

If you don't bother to read what I'm writing I'm afraid we can't continue discussing things.

Of course, why look at the total basketball player and what it takes. The ball just magically gets to people without rebounds and assists. I guess those rebounds that PG pulls down that he whips ahead to Kawhi for a dunk have no impact on scoring.

I think Morris's 43% FG percentage from anywhere but the 3 pt line indicates that he is a one trick pony. The guy is 50% from 3 when a defender isn't within 4 ft of him, but drops to a 21% 3 pt shooter with a defender within 4 feet. PG hits over 37.5% from three with a defender near him.

Speaking of "one trick ponies" hope you realise you're trying to debate with a one trick pony who's only argument is PG is bad.

clipperlover wrote:

RingColluder wrote:

clipperlover wrote:

Since the All-Star break: PG 6.8 Rbs/gm, 5.4 assts/gm, 2.7 Turnovers/gm and 18.4 ppg. So, it is a recent 2-1 assists to turnover ratio. During that time span he also had a 24pt, 9rb, 9 asts, 3 stl game vs the 76ers while Morris had a 13pt, 3 rbs, 1 ast 0 stl game. Against Denver, PG had 17 pts, 8 rbs 5 asts and 0 steals. Morris had 8 pts, 4 rbds, no assists, 1 stl.

I guess a near triple double vs the top team in the East is not something we need in the playoffs.

In his last 11, PG had had 6 games of 3 turnovers or less.

For the millionth time, I am not comparing PG and Morris's rebounds, assists TO's at all. Im talking purely as a offensive scorer, the TEAM (not your ego or your fandom of PG) would be better if we had Morris taking more of PG's shots.

If you don't bother to read what I'm writing I'm afraid we can't continue discussing things.

Of course, why look at the total basketball player and what it takes. The ball just magically gets to people without rebounds and assists. I guess those rebounds that PG pulls down that he whips ahead to Kawhi for a dunk have no impact on scoring.

I think Morris's 43% FG percentage from anywhere but the 3 pt line indicates that he is a one trick pony. The guy is 50% from 3 when a defender isn't within 4 ft of him, but drops to a 21% 3 pt shooter with a defender within 4 feet. PG hits over 37.5% from three with a defender near him.

All I'm saying for the 500th time is that Morris should be taking more shots int he offensive play calling than PG is because Morris is a better shooter.

And you just called Morris a one trick pony bc he is 6th in the NBA in 3pt FG%. Ok we're done here.

NickP wrote:

clipperlover wrote:

RingColluder wrote:
For the millionth time, I am not comparing PG and Morris's rebounds, assists TO's at all. Im talking purely as a offensive scorer, the TEAM (not your ego or your fandom of PG) would be better if we had Morris taking more of PG's shots.

If you don't bother to read what I'm writing I'm afraid we can't continue discussing things.

Of course, why look at the total basketball player and what it takes. The ball just magically gets to people without rebounds and assists. I guess those rebounds that PG pulls down that he whips ahead to Kawhi for a dunk have no impact on scoring.

I think Morris's 43% FG percentage from anywhere but the 3 pt line indicates that he is a one trick pony. The guy is 50% from 3 when a defender isn't within 4 ft of him, but drops to a 21% 3 pt shooter with a defender within 4 feet. PG hits over 37.5% from three with a defender near him.

Speaking of "one trick ponies" hope you realise you're trying to debate with a one trick pony who's only argument is PG is bad.

Nick, people have asked you for to get banned on this board multiple times before I even got here. You add nothing here so keep trolling.

clipperlover wrote:

RingColluder wrote:

clipperlover wrote:
When the offensive game plan is drive and dump for a three, the officials aren't going to give you too many calls. Not getting to the line is a team wide issue. We are at the bottom of the league, so it isn't a player issue, but an offensive philosophy issue. We are #1 in FT%, but #27 in attempts. Only Kawhi, PG, Zubac and Mann (since ASB) are getting there regularly.

Not going to be one of these, "blame the refs" fans. So annoying from any team.

PG has to look to draw even more contact if he's not getting the calls. He does it twice a game and usually doesn't get it called.

Who is "blaming the refs"? In the NBA, you aren't rewarded with FT attempts if you are sitting outside shooting jumpers. You have to attack the basket. The Clippers aren't consistently attacking the basket, they might attack, but then rather than go up to force the defender's hand and draw contact, they throw the ball to the 3 pt shooter (my most hated play in the current game). You have a shot two feet from the basket, but you throw it to someone standing at the three when you don't need a 3 point basket. The ball clanks and the other team is running a fast break the other way off the long rebound.

I'd argue PG attacks the basket more than anyone besides Kawhi on the team (T Mann is getting there), but Kawhi finishes the bucket or gets fouled, and PG does not.

And to the mod who asked before, it's posters like ^ above who are why people make fun of Clippers fans for praising PG so much when the entire league and fans know and recognize he's massively underperforming.

RingColluder wrote:

clipperlover wrote:

RingColluder wrote:
Not going to be one of these, "blame the refs" fans. So annoying from any team.

PG has to look to draw even more contact if he's not getting the calls. He does it twice a game and usually doesn't get it called.

Who is "blaming the refs"? In the NBA, you aren't rewarded with FT attempts if you are sitting outside shooting jumpers. You have to attack the basket. The Clippers aren't consistently attacking the basket, they might attack, but then rather than go up to force the defender's hand and draw contact, they throw the ball to the 3 pt shooter (my most hated play in the current game). You have a shot two feet from the basket, but you throw it to someone standing at the three when you don't need a 3 point basket. The ball clanks and the other team is running a fast break the other way off the long rebound.

I'd argue PG attacks the basket more than anyone besides Kawhi on the team (T Mann is getting there), but Kawhi finishes the bucket or gets fouled, and PG does not.

Hate to say but you're starting to bring the board down with the nonstop continuous anti-PG posts that literally have no end to them whatsoever. I'm surprised the mods allow you to do this

RingColluder wrote:

NickP wrote:

clipperlover wrote:
Of course, why look at the total basketball player and what it takes. The ball just magically gets to people without rebounds and assists. I guess those rebounds that PG pulls down that he whips ahead to Kawhi for a dunk have no impact on scoring.

I think Morris's 43% FG percentage from anywhere but the 3 pt line indicates that he is a one trick pony. The guy is 50% from 3 when a defender isn't within 4 ft of him, but drops to a 21% 3 pt shooter with a defender within 4 feet. PG hits over 37.5% from three with a defender near him.

Speaking of "one trick ponies" hope you realise you're trying to debate with a one trick pony who's only argument is PG is bad.

Nick, people have asked you for to get banned on this board multiple times before I even got here. You add nothing here so keep trolling.

Time for you to show me proof of me trolling you or anyone else or shut up.

NickP wrote:

RingColluder wrote:

NickP wrote:Speaking of "one trick ponies" hope you realise you're trying to debate with a one trick pony who's only argument is PG is bad.

Nick, people have asked you for to get banned on this board multiple times before I even got here. You add nothing here so keep trolling.

Time for you to show me proof of me trolling you or anyone else or shut up.

I'd rather not get other posters involved, but it's from PM's. If they want to say who they are they can, but it's the truth.

Clemenza wrote:

RingColluder wrote:

clipperlover wrote:
Who is "blaming the refs"? In the NBA, you aren't rewarded with FT attempts if you are sitting outside shooting jumpers. You have to attack the basket. The Clippers aren't consistently attacking the basket, they might attack, but then rather than go up to force the defender's hand and draw contact, they throw the ball to the 3 pt shooter (my most hated play in the current game). You have a shot two feet from the basket, but you throw it to someone standing at the three when you don't need a 3 point basket. The ball clanks and the other team is running a fast break the other way off the long rebound.

I'd argue PG attacks the basket more than anyone besides Kawhi on the team (T Mann is getting there), but Kawhi finishes the bucket or gets fouled, and PG does not.

Hate to say but you're starting to bring the board down with the nonstop continuous anti-PG posts that literally have no end to them whatsoever. I'm surprised the mods allow you to do this

I'm replying to posts that are debating my points including posts made by mods.

at least I write actual analysis and stats compared to, "PG sucks" or "Kawhi sucks" as some of the posts on here seem to be after games. And you are who to deem what is worthy of posting or not? You're the one who was bashing Kawhi after a game where he carried them on his back to even make it a game, which had no basis in reality.

I'm fine if people like the mods like og15 or esqtvd want to debate points since they up with actual stats or hypothesis's on players and schemes, but posters just bashing me for no reason have no basis to say anything if it's not related to debating real points. Thank you.

RingColluder wrote:

Clemenza wrote:

RingColluder wrote:
I'd argue PG attacks the basket more than anyone besides Kawhi on the team (T Mann is getting there), but Kawhi finishes the bucket or gets fouled, and PG does not.

Hate to say but you're starting to bring the board down with the nonstop continuous anti-PG posts that literally have no end to them whatsoever. I'm surprised the mods allow you to do this

I'm replying to posts that are debating my points including posts made by mods.

at least I write actual analysis and stats compared to, "PG sucks" or "Kawhi sucks" as some of the posts on here seem to be after games. And you are who to deem what is worthy of posting or not? You're the one who was bashing Kawhi after a game where he carried them on his back to even make it a game, which had no basis in reality.

Of course you can post what you like but its getting kinda weird around here now. I get it after a game when he plays bad but 24/7/365 posting about your dislike for PG and his game borderline psychotic. Do you not see what you're doing here on a day to day basis?

RingColluder wrote:I'm fine if people like the mods like og15 or esqtvd want to debate points since they up with actual stats or hypothesis's on players and schemes, but posters just bashing me for no reason have no basis to say anything if it's not related to debating real points. Thank you.

I think you've made your point.

Nobody was satisfied with the status quo and that's why Rondo was dealt for. There was hope that Beverley could fill the playmaking gap but his continued absence[s] made that too big a risk to take into the playoffs. He a) is probably not up to the job and b) might never be at full strength or availability.

I also think you'll find that PG was not only often forced to be the primary playmaker, it was often with the second unit, which has been a problem all year. We still have to deal with the likelihood that at age 35, Rondo will be hard-pressed to give us more than 20-25 minutes a game. Even if Playoff Rondo does show up, he cannot solve ALL our problems.

Clemenza wrote:

RingColluder wrote:

Clemenza wrote:Hate to say but you're starting to bring the board down with the nonstop continuous anti-PG posts that literally have no end to them whatsoever. I'm surprised the mods allow you to do this

I'm replying to posts that are debating my points including posts made by mods.

at least I write actual analysis and stats compared to, "PG sucks" or "Kawhi sucks" as some of the posts on here seem to be after games. And you are who to deem what is worthy of posting or not? You're the one who was bashing Kawhi after a game where he carried them on his back to even make it a game, which had no basis in reality.

Of course you can post what you like but its getting kinda weird around here now. I get it after a game when he plays bad but 24/7/365 posting about your dislike for PG and his game borderline psychotic. Do you not see what you're doing here on a day to day basis?

Are you a moderator? I'm responding to posts in the game thread including posts regarding Rondo, TMann, Zu, Morris but for whatever reason people are passionately defending PG. That's there right and my right to respond back.

Are you going to continue making personal attacks just like last time? I'll come back much harder if that's whats allowed on this board given this is like the 3rd time you continue to do so.

I thought moderators wouldn't allow it, but im not familiar w the rules here.

esqtvd wrote:

RingColluder wrote:I'm fine if people like the mods like og15 or esqtvd want to debate points since they up with actual stats or hypothesis's on players and schemes, but posters just bashing me for no reason have no basis to say anything if it's not related to debating real points. Thank you.

I think you've made your point.

Nobody was satisfied with the status quo and that's why Rondo was dealt for. There was hope that Beverley could fill the playmaking gap but his continued absence[s] made that too big a risk to take into the playoffs. He a) is probably not up to the job and b) might never be at full strength or availability.

I also think you'll find that PG was not only often forced to be the primary playmaker, it was often with the second unit, which has been a problem all year. We still have to deal with the likelihood that at age 35, Rondo will be hard-pressed to give us more than 20-25 minutes a game. Even if Playoff Rondo does show up, he cannot solve ALL our problems.

well said! Bev might return tomorrow so we'll see

RingColluder wrote:

Clemenza wrote:

RingColluder wrote:
I'm replying to posts that are debating my points including posts made by mods.

at least I write actual analysis and stats compared to, "PG sucks" or "Kawhi sucks" as some of the posts on here seem to be after games. And you are who to deem what is worthy of posting or not? You're the one who was bashing Kawhi after a game where he carried them on his back to even make it a game, which had no basis in reality.

Of course you can post what you like but its getting kinda weird around here now. I get it after a game when he plays bad but 24/7/365 posting about your dislike for PG and his game borderline psychotic. Do you not see what you're doing here on a day to day basis?

Are you a moderator? I'm responding to posts in the game thread including posts regarding Rondo, TMann, Zu, Morris but for whatever reason people are passionately defending PG. That's there right and my right to respond back.

Are you going to continue making personal attacks just like last time? I'll come back much harder if that's whats allowed on this board given this is like the 3rd time you continue to do so.

I thought moderators wouldn't allow it, but im not familiar w the rules here.

We don't defend PG passionately around here. I haven't seen it. PG gets ripped all the time around here. And how have I attacked you? I didn't call you any names.

Well this one got out of hand, it was fun while it lasted