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I'm not sure about we draft a player or add this to trade package on draft day but #25 of his years Draft pick is the only 1st rnd pick we have control till 2027.

Reggie Jackson Contract? If he qulifies the Early Bird right with 2 years on the same team;
the most a team can offer an Early Bird free agent without using cap space is 175% of his previous salary or 105% of the league-average salary in the previous season, whichever is greater. These offers are also capped at four years rather than five, and the new contracts must run for at least two years (with no second-year options).

I imagine Kawhi will sign an extention at least 1+1 option.

Nic Batum for Taxpayer Mid Level? 3 year, 16-17 Million USD

I'm ok with Trading Rondo and Beverley. We gonna see a lot of trade ideas involving those i guess.

Wouldn't mind let go Patterson and Cousins. Oturu might as well cut after the summer League if he hasn't shown development.

My biggest dilemma is Zubac. I think 5 out is the way to go for this core and Ibaka is filling 20 minutes of that. If Zubac won't start shooting, his defense alone might not worth to hold onto. I think we should test the trade waters for another Pick&Pop 5 with Zubac.

If we trade then we go all out. I hear Dame and Mitchell are not happy. Those are the big name stars we should go after.

Wow one FRP for the next 6 years? I knew they had to give up a lot of draft assets but that’s tough.

Ballmer may have to pay a lot in luxury taxes to keep roster depth. For instance, 175% of minimum salary may not be enough to keep Jackson so can they pay him more and pay more luxury taxes?

I don’t see Beverly fetching much unless there’s a team desperate to get an expiring on their books.

I don’t think Kawhi came to the Clippers with any plans to leave. If he had to choose between going for more rings vs. staying in LA, he stays. Even if Clippers got eliminated by Mavs, he’d still stay.

But overall, the ceiling doesn’t quite seem as high as two seasons ago when Kawhi came one. Both Kawhi and PG13 slogged through injuries this season even before the injury in the postseason. Chances are, they will continue to be prone to injuries going forward because one or both are carrying the team or stretches.

They’re still as big threats to win as any other team but some matchups like Denver seemed to give them problems. Though they reached the WCF for the first time in franchise history, those were some competitive rounds. They got unexpected performance from Jackson for instance. And Batum really played way above his deal.

I’m not sure they can win it all without being at least a top or second seed, to have an easier path in the playoffs. However, can they vie for he top 2 seeds with the load management requirements. Can both PG13 and Kawhi play 70 games? Kawhi hasn’t played 70 games in 5 seasons. PG 13 played 77 games in his last OKC season but hasn’t hit 60 games with the Clippers yet.

I’m happy to throw our max 4/46 at Reggie and give him a player option for year 4.

Beverly I think I’d be ok with keeping, but it’s hard to live with cheap shots under the guise of heart and hustle. He can be hard to defend sometimes.. wouldn’t be upset if he was traded but I dont know where unless someone was dumping a longer contract. Someone like Aaron Baynes I guess?

Rondo Cousins and PPat, I don’t care if they’re gone tomorrow.

Sofia wrote:I’m happy to throw our max 4/46 at Reggie and give him a player option for year 4.

Beverly I think I’d be ok with keeping, but it’s hard to live with cheap shots under the guise of heart and hustle. He can be hard to defend sometimes.. wouldn’t be upset if he was traded but I dont know where unless someone was dumping a longer contract. Someone like Aaron Baynes I guess?

Rondo Cousins and PPat, I don’t care if they’re gone tomorrow.

i wanted baynes on this team for a while, at least before we got serge. i'm not sure how the transaction would work but he would be a nice depth signing.

it's really hard to back beverley, all things considered. but i'm just not sure where he can go and what we can get from him, off the top of my head.

wco81 wrote:Wow one FRP for the next 6 years? I knew they had to give up a lot of draft assets but that’s tough..

Our 2023&2025 1st rd picks are OKC's choice to swap. So basically a pick from this year and 2 picks only materialized on draft day for the next 6 years.

wco81 wrote:Ballmer may have to pay a lot in luxury taxes to keep roster depth. For instance, 175% of minimum salary may not be enough to keep Jackson so can they pay him more and pay more luxury taxes?.

105% of the league-average salary in the previous season might be enough with sentimental values(tbh I don't think though, I can see 20 M per year deals offered to him. nearly 10 million vs 20 enough to put emotions aside.

wco81 wrote:I don’t see Beverly fetching much unless there’s a team desperate to get an expiring on their books..

I think playoff aiming 50% winning percentage teams are where Pat should be. Underdog forever. He took Booker and Donovan on places they don't want to be. His 14 M expiring along with 7.5 M Rondo could land something.

wco81 wrote:I don’t think Kawhi came to the Clippers with any plans to leave. If he had to choose between going for more rings vs. staying in LA, he stays. Even if Clippers got eliminated by Mavs, he’d still stay..

Hopefully.

wco81 wrote:But overall, the ceiling doesn’t quite seem as high as two seasons ago when Kawhi came one. Both Kawhi and PG13 slogged through injuries this season even before the injury in the postseason. Chances are, they will continue to be prone to injuries going forward because one or both are carrying the team or stretches.

They’re still as big threats to win as any other team but some matchups like Denver seemed to give them problems. Though they reached the WCF for the first time in franchise history, those were some competitive rounds. They got unexpected performance from Jackson for instance. And Batum really played way above his deal.

I’m not sure they can win it all without being at least a top or second seed, to have an easier path in the playoffs. However, can they vie for he top 2 seeds with the load management requirements. Can both PG13 and Kawhi play 70 games? Kawhi hasn’t played 70 games in 5 seasons. PG 13 played 77 games in his last OKC season but hasn’t hit 60 games with the Clippers yet.

I think the West will be a bloodbath next year. Even number 1 seed gonna have to play against a very tough team. Warriors are coming back and Lakers, Memphis will be better.

Must find a way to get a little younger, more athletic, and versatile.

I know rotations tighten up in the playoffs but there’s a lot of old dead weight at the end of the bench.

They have potential answers in the youth/athletic department on the team all ready. But I’m not sure how serious they are in the developing/future of Scrubb, Coffey, and Oturu.

Unless there’s a no brainer trade I hope they keep the 25th pick. A lot of talent there and a cheap way to build within.

We got some youth in Mann, Kennard, Zu, Oturu, Jay Scrubb plus we have our first round pick this year. In the offseason- Mann has to shoot 500 jumpers a day, Zu has to hit the weight room and add the 10 foot-free throw line jumper to his game, Kennard weight room and speed, and the summer league will tell us what we have in Scrubb, Oturu, Coffey, and our first rounder which will more than likely be a point guard. NBADraft.net has us taking Tre Mann(no relation to Terance) at #25 in round one.

A Kawhi, PG, and Reggie as a core for the next two years looks good too me if we can make that happen salary cap wise and if they can stay healthy. Develop the youth up under them and go from there.

Well ideally patterson/cousins/rondo are replaced by better versions of some sort. At the same time, i don't think any team should really have to worry about the nightmare scenario in which two starting centers and a top 5 player are out for the playoffs.

Developing scrubb seems mandatory and a lot of people here are high on him. I think zubac will continue to improve and i think mann is ready to take a big leap next year. add in a decent draft pick and i think our youth core will be really strong, so i'm not too concerned about the team being over the hump. Kawhi just hit 30 and pg is only 31, and they are our two most important players by far.

off top of my head, most important things i wanna see for the coming season

- paul george working with coaching staff on his passing. start by reviewing every turnover one by one on film with an experienced point guard, to help him build on his decision making. and work on his ball handling. i get the feeling they want him to continue to grow into the point-forward role, and if that's the case, work on those skills.

- zubac working on his 3 ball. this dude is a legit player and we just saw how dynamic a 5-out offense can be with our team. we've seen him practice the 3 before, so give him the confidence and this team will be unguardable on the offensive end. i would think kenny atkinson can help with this (and paul george, too).

- mann working on his shot and his aggressiveness. we know he can do big things, but he still sometimes seemed to fear the moment even after big game 6 against utah. this guy is going to be an integral piece for us, especially if we jettison beverley.

nickhx2 wrote:

Sofia wrote:I’m happy to throw our max 4/46 at Reggie and give him a player option for year 4.

Beverly I think I’d be ok with keeping, but it’s hard to live with cheap shots under the guise of heart and hustle. He can be hard to defend sometimes.. wouldn’t be upset if he was traded but I dont know where unless someone was dumping a longer contract. Someone like Aaron Baynes I guess?

Rondo Cousins and PPat, I don’t care if they’re gone tomorrow.

i wanted baynes on this team for a while, at least before we got serge. i'm not sure how the transaction would work but he would be a nice depth signing.

it's really hard to back beverley, all things considered. but i'm just not sure where he can go and what we can get from him, off the top of my head.

I thought Baynes had two or three years left but it turns out he’s expiring too. He’s also only $7.5m next year, I thought he was closer to $10m.

Baynes and Hood for Beverly and Oturu works but I don’t know why they would as Hood is also expiring

oh interesting. not at all a bad get. he's the kind of backup that would make our offense be able to hum along without missing too much.

Initially they talked about having Kennard play some point. He was actually pretty good running things. But they took the ball out of his hands and told him to just shoot the ball. They need to figure out what his role will be.

As for my comments about getting younger. They need to decide if the youth they have are what they want going forward. Develop them and let them play through mistakes and all but glued to the bench isn’t helping anyone.

yeah forgot to mention kennard as part of the youth core but he definitely needs to have a better role in the upcoming season. i think hit hurt him a lot given lack of familiarity with the team, and it felt like they really didn't know what they wanted out of him either. once he started focusing on shooting, he seemed to be a lot more comfortable.

i would expect the young guys to get a lot more burn in the next season. i don't imagine that the next one will be much different from this last one - kawhi, paul george, serge, etc. all getting periodic days off. and doing so allows lue to provide decent rest, but also to experiment with lineups as well as to develop the younger guys.

this is not a doc-rivers led team where rookies and second year players are considered worthless trash that must avert their eyes passing him in the hallways. they are gonna get minutes to play and figure things out.

So it looks like we can offer Reggie a deal starting at $10.3 million for at least 2 years and we can offer Batum $3.1 million or the $5.9 million taxpayer midlevel. I'm confident Reggie takes that deal and I actually think Batum might be fine with the $3.1 million given that he's still going to get $9 million per year from Charlotte each of the next two years.

Bev is going to be a $14 million expiring contract so I think he'll have a little more trade value than he did this past year. I have a feeling he's gone. Zu struggled in the first two rounds but he's on a very affordable deal and he's an extremely important regular season player. You can't count on post back-surgery Ibaka being the only viable center next year so I think Zu is back (even though Zu + Bev is probably our best chance to get an impactful piece via trade). If we have the $5.9 taxpayer midlevel available, I think Caruso would be a great Bev replacement although I think the Lakers probably keep him over paying Schroeder a stupid amount of money.

I’ve liked Ivica ever since we landed him, but he’s our best trade asset outside our big 2. If Serge is recovering well and stays we can fill big center minutes with him and another body, I imagine we will be seeing more small ball as well. At the same time I don’t want to overreact to our playoff lineups, Ivica holds it down on D for us in the regular season when teams aren’t hero-balling every possession (if they’ve even got a hero.)

We can trade our 1st on draft day (basically picking a player for another team and then trading him immediately.) I’m not at all saying we should, but that pick is now a trade asset as we approach the draft. Obviously the ideal situation is to hit on a guy who can just be a good, young, const-controlled rotation player.

I think the best offer Reggie will get will be in the 3 year/$60M range. Given his age, I don’t think anyone is expecting him to be a regular season 20+ PPG scorer for the next 3-4 years. But we are very limited in what we can offer, so we’ll just have to hope and pray. I’lol be happy for him either way.

If we lose Reggie, Luke is gonna have to step up for us in a big way. If we somehow keep Reggie, maybe Luke is tradable for someone who won’t be great but is a better fit for our roster.

Obviously we want Nic back too, but Reggie is the 1st priority so we’ll see after that.

We still don’t have a point guard of note.

Overall I like our team (and I love rooting for them), we’re not a title favorite but in a that pack of high level contenders if have a decent offseason (that’s realistically what we always were after the big trades). Except this time I think the team is a lot closer and believes in each other. Plus we got the right coach!

SK21209 wrote:So it looks like we can offer Reggie a deal starting at $10.3 million for at least 2 years and we can offer Batum $3.1 million or the $5.9 million taxpayer midlevel. I'm confident Reggie takes that deal and I actually think Batum might be fine with the $3.1 million given that he's still going to get $9 million per year from Charlotte each of the next two years.

If we can offer Reggie a 4 year deal that will show a sign of commitment that he might appreciate and be willing to take.

Good point about Batum. He’s worth either amount, but saving the mid level would be huge.

i think zubac is more important than ever. he was so important in the suns series and was a big reason why cp3 wasn't going off so easily in the games he played. he was solid on offense, great on defense. i really don't want to move him, especially with serge getting older.

that said, if you can somehow move a combination zubac/beverley/kennard for myles turner, i think you take that deal and run with it. that'd be my target of the offseason and if we acquire him? you could just call the offseason a wrap.

i do kinda think other teams will balk at paying jackson a lot of money, because it's not a guaranteed thing to replicate his performance here to whatever new team might sign him. i certainly hope both he and batum re-up with us.

re-sign kawhi, batum and reggie and i'll feel fantastic about the coming season.

nickhx2 wrote:i think zubac is more important than ever. he was so important in the suns series and was a big reason why cp3 wasn't going off so easily in the games he played. he was solid on offense, great on defense. i really don't want to move him, especially with serge getting older.

that said, if you can somehow move a combination zubac/beverley/kennard for myles turner, i think you take that deal and run with it. that'd be my target of the offseason and if we acquire him? you could just call the offseason a wrap.

i do kinda think other teams will balk at paying jackson a lot of money, because it's not a guaranteed thing to replicate his performance here to whatever new team might sign him. i certainly hope both he and batum re-up with us.

re-sign kawhi, batum and reggie and i'll feel fantastic about the coming season.

Turner is the perfect center for us since he's basically Zu and Ibaka combined, but if the Pacers decide to trade Turner I don't see them doing it for another center. Sabonis already struggles a bit playing next to Turner and Goga Bitzade has shown some promise for them. It would probably have to be a three-team trade that routes Zu somewhere else.

Cool thread.

The thing about Pat Bev is that it seems a lot of contenders do have a defensive ace. And he probably deserves a lot more credit for what he was able to do to Book and Mitchell the past two rounds. I get the antics are a bit much, but I think Lue has a bit better idea of what his role should be. Probably not a starting point guard, but also don't hesitate to put him on the best perimeter player instead of Kawhi and PG13.

On the flip side of that, i also think the Clips have a better idea of what Reggie Jackson is as well. Sure he really picked it up when Kawhi was out, but he had some big time moments in the Dallas series as well. It was really great to see. I know his confidence had always sort of been criticized, but I do think he proved he can be a championship starting point guard. I may be getting caught in the moment, but he's really always been a big time player, who played with no fear. If he wanted to resign for the MLE i'd gladly have him back. Not to contradict, and I do hope he gets a great deal this offseason, but I'm not sure he's a top 10 point guard in these playoffs, so ESPN kept talking about a big bag, but I don't think he's getting like 20m a year or anything.

I also may be in the minority but I like what Cousins brings to the team. Especially when you know Kawhi and PG will miss atleast 20 games a season, it's cool to have a player who can just come in and put up numbers. I will concede his defense isn't great and he got picked on a bit but so didn't Rudy Gobert. Meaning that quick guards are always going to give true bigs problems. I wouldn't mind seeing DC back at all.

Minor splashes? I know terrance Mann is filling a similar role, but I really wouldn't mind Josh Hart. I think he is a bit of a better defender than T Mann and also a great rebounder. If we were to lose Batum, I'd like to see the Clippers go after him.

Major splash: I really would like John Wall. I know, a lot of cringe because of his injury history and the contract. But if we decide not to resign reggie jackson, I really think he would be a great fit. Even at this stage of his career, he's still a pretty solid defensive guard, who can create for his teammates. I really would be worried about off the court stuff than on the court things with him. Of course Lillard of D Mitchell would be great but I sort of dislike super teams.

Lastly, of course kawhi staying is top priority. I hate how everyone wants to always split duos. I wish Russ and KD played 7 more years together and were lucky enough to win 1 championship. Miss the days of Stockton and Malone playing forever together and reaching the finals in their mid 30s and no one killing them like they both aren't elite. I hope PG and Kawhi play atleast the next 4 years together, and hopefully during that time they can lift the trophy at least once

Sofia wrote:I’m happy to throw our max 4/46 at Reggie and give him a player option for year 4.

Beverly I think I’d be ok with keeping, but it’s hard to live with cheap shots under the guise of heart and hustle. He can be hard to defend sometimes.. wouldn’t be upset if he was traded but I dont know where unless someone was dumping a longer contract. Someone like Aaron Baynes I guess?

Rondo Cousins and PPat, I don’t care if they’re gone tomorrow.

I think that’s what it will take to keep Reggie, and that we should make that offer ASAP. Less years and he can make significantly more/sooner elsewhere. At least 2 of those years will be good value for us.

I agree on Bev too, he ended up a key part of the postseason but his antics are obviously too much. I think we’re stuck with him anyways, he probably makes too much money to trade unless it’s to help match salaries.