John Wall, Let's Discuss

[Goner]

I think acquiring John Wall off a buyout would be a great addition to the team. I've noticed some Clipper fans against such an acquisition, even if it were for nothing, but I still contend he'd bring the offensive structure that the team sorely needs, even in his declining state. The dissent I've heard tends to focus on a few things: he would take PT away from Reggie who is a fan favorite, and he's a Clutch guy. That being said, a trade for Wall seems a terrible idea, given his contract and the seemingly necessary liquidation of our bench to facilitate his contract.

What are your thoughts?

[ejftw]

Buy-out is an easy yes.

Trade for him, is an easy no unless we are getting some substantial value back, and even then, we would have to include Kennard & Mook with Bledsoe, which further diminishes our depth at PF, and we are already paper thin up front with Serge's concerns and Nico's age.

[nickhx2]

clearly add him for the min, but clearly can't trade for him otherwise.

not sure he'd wanna come here given jackson/bledsoe, but if he did, it'd be a good problem to have.

[Wammy Giveaway]

Trade for him is an easy no unless we are getting some substantial value back, and even then, we would have to include Kennard and Morris with Bledsoe.

I don't think you can trade Bledsoe at all. In fact, you keep him. And re-sign Cousins.

Ever since the second and quickest 3-1 collapse in NBA history, under Tyronn Lue, Clippers have changed their chemistry views. They now look for players who've been teammates before: Leonard with Ibaka (Raptors, both NBA champions); George with Jackson (Thunder, the latter a reclamation project); Kennard with Giles (Duke); and, due to being a former Clipper and integral part of Lob City era, Bledsoe.

Wall, Bledsoe, and Cousins are teammates of the 2009-10 Kentucky Wildcats. Wall is also a reclamation project, something the Clippers are really good at. Wall can even say to Clippers, "I only go to L.A. if Bledsoe stays."

There's a problem, three actually. Wall is $44 million, the worst contract in NBA, just ahead of Westbrook's. Bringing in Wall will require breaking up the core, giving up youth, or worse: blowing up the Leonard-George duo. And there's no 1st round draft pick out of it. Even though Clippers and Rockets are equally matched, Rockets have the slight edge because they know that the pieces Clippers have can keep them in playoff hunt, with one of them a secret lucky charm that ensures them a playoff appearance. If they surrender the wrong piece, the Clippers could inadvertently miss the playoffs. Rockets will not have a berth either, but at least they'll be doing the league a favor: "getting rid of those pesky Clippers who love to ruin everything."

I also have a rant: those who want this Wall trade to happen just want to see Clippers drop out of the race so that another team can take their place. Warriors would love a spot. Wolves need a spot to convince Towns that Minnessota is a destination. And Kings are desperate to prevent a record-breaking 16-year playoff drought, also owning to the fact that Clipper's first conference finals berth coincided with Kings tying Clipper's longest playoff drought with 15 years. Did I forget to mention that Thunder own one of their picks, and if Clippers miss the playoffs, Thunder will get a crack at a no. 1 pick in the lottery? In other words, this trade has tank written all over it.

Wall is a highly tempting piece for chemistry and resurrection. But the price is too high on all fronts, and it will cost the Clippers a year of playoff contention, making the Shai Gilgeous-Alexander trade look even worse. Chris Paul just got revenge on his former team in conference finals, of all places; DeAndre Jordan has linked up with purple and gold to possibly do the same. The schedule has even set them up to fail. Clippers should consider staying the course: win those games, defeat your opponents, don't take competition lightly.

[nickhx2]

Off the wall

[madmaxmedia]

Buy-out is an easy yes.

Trade for him, is an easy no unless we are getting some substantial value back, and even then, we would have to include Kennard & Mook with Bledsoe, which further diminishes our depth at PF, and we are already paper thin up front with Serge's concerns and Nico's age.

Not saying we should do this (at all), but Bledsoe, Morris, and the $8.3M TPE would add up to $42M which I think is close enough? Am I doing this right?

In any case, I don't think Houston is going to buy out Wall any time soon. I guess later this season is a possibility?

[ejftw]

Buy-out is an easy yes.

Trade for him, is an easy no unless we are getting some substantial value back, and even then, we would have to include Kennard & Mook with Bledsoe, which further diminishes our depth at PF, and we are already paper thin up front with Serge's concerns and Nico's age.

Not saying we should do this (at all), but Bledsoe, Morris, and the $8.3M TPE would add up to $42M which I think is close enough? Am I doing this right?

In any case, I don't think Houston is going to buy out Wall any time soon. I guess later this season is a possibility?

Can't combine the TPE with players, so Kennard would need to be included as ballast.

[clipsfever]

We could do it as Bled + Kennard + Serge... under the condition that Wall will exercise his opt out for the season after this

Divests us out of Kennard's deal, which you can feel either way about... and who knows about Serge's health...

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhshrowy

Even if there were no high picks coming our way, and we just got a bounty of late picks... hmmm

(also frees two roster spots, obvi... )

[Bobbymcgee]

I don't mind the Clippers trading Bledsoe or Kennard, but I am not sure what Wall brings to the table. He still seems to put up decent numbers, but is he going to step up come playoff time. The Clippers are trying to win a championship.

Also, I am especially concerned about the team chemistry that was developed during the post-season. Reggie Jackson took a large pay cut to stay with the Clippers, I don't want to see him go to the bench. But, Wall is paid so much money, I do not think he wants to come off the bench. I can see issues like that hurting the team chemistry and causing problems down the line.

Finally, I do not want to see the Clippers trade away their young players. Especially Terrance Mann and the two rookies Keon Johnson and BJ Boston.

[esqtvd]

Buy-out is an easy yes.

Trade for him, is an easy no unless we are getting some substantial value back, and even then, we would have to include Kennard & Mook with Bledsoe, which further diminishes our depth at PF, and we are already paper thin up front with Serge's concerns and Nico's age.

Not saying we should do this (at all), but Bledsoe, Morris, and the $8.3M TPE would add up to $42M which I think is close enough? Am I doing this right?

In any case, I don't think Houston is going to buy out Wall any time soon. I guess later this season is a possibility?

Can't combine the TPE with players, so Kennard would need to be included as ballast.

SOLD

my LVPs

[MartinToVaught]

If the front office is giving any real consideration to trading for arguably the worst contract in the league, they need to be fired immediately. I'm serious. Wall barely plays anymore because of injuries and is washed when he does play. Hopefully this is just BS from the media, but I have very little trust in this front office after all the bad decisions they've already made in the past.

[LAClippers4Life]

Get him and make a BIG 3 so Kawhi wants to come back sooner and possibly for this year's playoffs! CLIPPERS 4 LIFE!

[LAClippers4Life]

Get him and make a BIG 3 so Kawhi wants to come back sooner and possibly for this year's playoffs! CLIPPERS 4 LIFE!

Imagine this starting 5
(we would have to trade Luke Kennard, Eric Bledsoe & Serge Ibaka to make this happen.

PG - John Wall / Terrance Mann / J. Preston
SG - Reggie Jackson / BJ Boston / Keon Johnson
SF - Paul George / Nicholas Batum / Jay Scrubb
PF - Kawhi Leonard (Marcus Morris) / Justice Winslow
C - Ivica Zubac / H. Giles

[madmaxmedia]

Buy-out is an easy yes.

Trade for him, is an easy no unless we are getting some substantial value back, and even then, we would have to include Kennard & Mook with Bledsoe, which further diminishes our depth at PF, and we are already paper thin up front with Serge's concerns and Nico's age.

Not saying we should do this (at all), but Bledsoe, Morris, and the $8.3M TPE would add up to $42M which I think is close enough? Am I doing this right?

In any case, I don't think Houston is going to buy out Wall any time soon. I guess later this season is a possibility?

Can't combine the TPE with players, so Kennard would need to be included as ballast.

Thanks for explaining. I guess we can split up a TPE for multiple signings, but can't combine the TPE with anything else in a trade. Too bad.

In any case, I can't think of any good reason to trade for Wall, given the players we have to move to match salaries. If we had enough expiring money in non-rotation players, then maybe you trade for Wall and accept Wall's extra year for the chance that he helps the team.

Other than that, our FO would have to have a dramatically different assessment of Wall than general consensus to go after him. Bledsoe is no sure thing either to significantly help the team next year, but his contract is wayyyy better. I think the best shot at a major move will be during the season, inevitably some middling team gets buyer's remorse on a decent but not needle-moving player and wants to cut bait, and we can offer basically an expiring in Bledsoe plus whatever.

[madmaxmedia]

Here's another TPE scenario, is this allowed?

Clippers- Bledsoe to Team 2, TPE to Team 3/ Receives Player 1 who makes $26M
Team 2- Player 1 to Clippers/ Receives Bledsoe and Player 2
Team 3- Player 2 to Team 2/ Receives TPE

I'm not including sweeteners or whatever, just the guts of the trade that would allow the Clippers to in effect combine TPE with Bledsoe. I am guessing not, but I don't know.

[TrueLAfan]

Was gone for a few days and came back to ... John Wall. Really?

- 251 NBA players played over 1000 minutes last year. John Wall was 248th in Win Shares. (The three guys below him all played for a lousy team and were 20 or younger.)

- 91 players took over 650 shots last year. In that group, John Wall was 88th in TS%. He shot under 42% from the field, and under 32% from three.

- John Wall played in only 40 games out of 75 last year, after missing more than 160 games in the previous three seasons.

- John Wall is owed $91 million dollars in the next two seasons. He’s 31 years old and it’s the oldest f---- 31 years imaginable.

Is this the John Wall we’re talking about? Just checking.

[ejftw]

Here's another TPE scenario, is this allowed?

Clippers- Bledsoe to Team 2, TPE to Team 3/ Receives Player 1 who makes $26M
Team 2- Player 1 to Clippers/ Receives Bledsoe and Player 2
Team 3- Player 2 to Team 2/ Receives TPE

I'm not including sweeteners or whatever, just the guts of the trade that would allow the Clippers to in effect combine TPE with Bledsoe. I am guessing not, but I don't know.

If you could word it to where the Clippers dealing Bledsoe and the TPE are two different dealer than, it would be legal. Just not sure how that could be done.

[madmaxmedia]

Here's another TPE scenario, is this allowed?

Clippers- Bledsoe to Team 2, TPE to Team 3/ Receives Player 1 who makes $26M
Team 2- Player 1 to Clippers/ Receives Bledsoe and Player 2
Team 3- Player 2 to Team 2/ Receives TPE

I'm not including sweeteners or whatever, just the guts of the trade that would allow the Clippers to in effect combine TPE with Bledsoe. I am guessing not, but I don't know.

If you could word it to where the Clippers dealing Bledsoe and the TPE are two different dealer than, it would be legal. Just not sure how that could be done.

That's why I was thinking of it as a 3-team deal. Otherwise they could first acquire a player with the TPE, and then package that player 60 days later with Bledsoe.

I guess the more likely scenario would be to package Bledsoe with our existing assets if necessary, and then try to use the TPE to fill out the holes.

[Goner]

Was gone for a few days and came back to ... John Wall. Really?

- 251 NBA players played over 1000 minutes last year. John Wall was 248th in Win Shares. (The three guys below him all played for a lousy team and were 20 or younger.)

- 91 players took over 650 shots last year. In that group, John Wall was 88th in TS%. He shot under 42% from the field, and under 32% from three.

- John Wall played in only 40 games out of 75 last year, after missing more than 160 games in the previous three seasons.

- John Wall is owed $91 million dollars in the next two seasons. He’s 31 years old and it’s the oldest f---- 31 years imaginable.

Is this the John Wall we’re talking about? Just checking.

If you read the OP.. this thread was about discussing the potential value of adding Wall after a buyout, so, at the very least, his salary is irrelevant.

[HardenGoat]

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