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First, it was Malcolm Brogdon. Then it was James Harden. Now it's Jrue Holiday. Pick one already!

Brogdon initially began as a role starter, but could never get close to the 70 game threshold due to injuries. When traded to the Celtics, he was asked to become a role player, coming off the bench, resulting in a Sixth Man award for the 2022-23 season. Clippers love Sixth Man award winners, and actually lead the league in this category with five. Also a Good Samaritan as there are no recorded concerns of scandals or distractions, and has no ejections in his career - another lead by example, Spurs-type that Kawhi Leonard prefers. Brogdon was to be traded to Clippers before talks broke down, something about "no time for a physical." Reports have surfaced that Clippers are trying again to get him.

Harden shocked the NBA by calling Daryl Morey a liar and getting fined for it, but it was opting in to the contract and demanding a trade to Clippers that had our eyes rolling back as if to faint in disgust. Clippers have been criticized for not taking competition seriously ever since they acquired Leonard, and only seem invested when being forced to via ultimatums. What better way to prove their seriousness than to trade for a true superstar who has 10 All-Star appearances and a regular season MVP in 2018. Combined with Leonard, Russell Westbrook and Paul George, all of which have a combined 19 All-Star selections, an MVP for Westbrook, and 2 Finals MVPs for Leonard, Clippers will have a Fantastic 4. Trade talks have stopped because of the Clipper's reluctance to give up beloved role player and savior Terance Mann, but with the wrinkle that is our next point guard of interest, maybe Morey will mellow out for once.

The surprise superstar trade of Damian Lillard to the Bucks turned Holiday into a new Clipper target. Holiday brings the best of both worlds and more: a role starter (role player who performs best as a starter) who has elevated himself into a role star with his first All-Star selection in 10 years. Like with Brogdon, no scandals or distractions, no ejections either, a Good Samaritan Spurs-type player through and through. More importantly, he won a title with the Bucks in 2021.

Each player has its own cons, but we'll start with the superstar. Of the three point guards, Harden exhibits the most problems: ego, greed, and selfishness. He has gotten ejected from games, and will turn on his teammates when the going gets tough. Brogdon and Holiday are easier to command because they have Spursian quality of being good teammates, so they have to be plagued by the injury bug. Brogdon is the cheaper option because he's a role player and role players don't cost much, but Holiday and Harden each have accolades which raise their market value, requiring Clippers to give up a minimum six players plus draft picks. Working with Sixers is easier said than done as Morey wants Clippers to tank for him (and he's not going through a reverse farm trade), whereas Blazers are an easier get because Steve Ballmer is friends with the Paul Allen family back in their days of Microsoft.

Then there is the Warriors. There are now rumors Golden State will shift gears and ship Chris Paul to the Blazers to get Jrue Holiday. That happens, I would not be surprised if Paul buys out his contract in Portland, then joins Lakers as their secret weapon. Lakers get Paul, we are guaranteed a Lakers-Clippers playoff series. Heat will look to steal Harden just so that Clippers could feel miserable. What if Brogdon is traded somewhere else instead of Clippers - or worse, bought out? As a 2nd apron team, Clippers are barred from signing any players who were bought out. If either or all of Harden, Holiday and Brogdon get waived, Clippers can't get them. There's a chance Clippers go home empty handed, and will really be forced to improve internally.

Or perhaps, because Harden, Holiday and Brogdon are on the market, what if they went after all three? You get the Fantastic 4 of Westbrook-Harden-Leonard-George, Brogdon and Holiday coming off the bench, and if you can find a way to keep Mann in all of this mess, the media will shut up and let competition takes its course. But then you gotta worry that ejections to Leonard, George or both could end their season prematurely. This really is a Killer Kombat season.

Choose your point guard, or choose your alternative. Who would be perfect for Clippers?

All have their risks but my order of preference is Holiday, Brogdon, Harden.

Price wise I think Brogdon, Harden, Holiday is the likely order but we’ll see.

Holiday, no question. Although, Russ is the PG and Jrue plays combo.

Wammy Giveaway wrote:

First, it was Malcolm Brogdon. Then it was James Harden. Now it's Jrue Holiday. Pick one already!

Brogdon initially began as a role starter, but could never get close to the 70 game threshold due to injuries. When traded to the Celtics, he was asked to become a role player, coming off the bench, resulting in a Sixth Man award for the 2022-23 season. Clippers love Sixth Man award winners, and actually lead the league in this category with five. Also a Good Samaritan as there are no recorded concerns of scandals or distractions, and has no ejections in his career - another lead by example, Spurs-type that Kawhi Leonard prefers. Brogdon was to be traded to Clippers before talks broke down, something about "no time for a physical." Reports have surfaced that Clippers are trying again to get him.

Harden shocked the NBA by calling Daryl Morey a liar and getting fined for it, but it was opting in to the contract and demanding a trade to Clippers that had our eyes rolling back as if to faint in disgust. Clippers have been criticized for not taking competition seriously ever since they acquired Leonard, and only seem invested when being forced to via ultimatums. What better way to prove their seriousness than to trade for a true superstar who has 10 All-Star appearances and a regular season MVP in 2018. Combined with Leonard, Russell Westbrook and Paul George, all of which have a combined 19 All-Star selections, an MVP for Westbrook, and 2 Finals MVPs for Leonard, Clippers will have a Fantastic 4. Trade talks have stopped because of the Clipper's reluctance to give up beloved role player and savior Terance Mann, but with the wrinkle that is our next point guard of interest, maybe Morey will mellow out for once.

The surprise superstar trade of Damian Lillard to the Bucks turned Holiday into a new Clipper target. Holiday brings the best of both worlds and more: a role starter (role player who performs best as a starter) who has elevated himself into a role star with his first All-Star selection in 10 years. Like with Brogdon, no scandals or distractions, no ejections either, a Good Samaritan Spurs-type player through and through. More importantly, he won a title with the Bucks in 2021.

Each player has its own cons, but we'll start with the superstar. Of the three point guards, Harden exhibits the most problems: ego, greed, and selfishness. He has gotten ejected from games, and will turn on his teammates when the going gets tough. Brogdon and Holiday are easier to command because they have Spursian quality of being good teammates, so they have to be plagued by the injury bug. Brogdon is the cheaper option because he's a role player and role players don't cost much, but Holiday and Harden each have accolades which raise their market value, requiring Clippers to give up a minimum six players plus draft picks. Working with Sixers is easier said than done as Morey wants Clippers to tank for him (and he's not going through a reverse farm trade), whereas Blazers are an easier get because Steve Ballmer is friends with the Paul Allen family back in their days of Microsoft.

Then there is the Warriors. There are now rumors Golden State will shift gears and ship Chris Paul to the Blazers to get Jrue Holiday. That happens, I would not be surprised if Paul buys out his contract in Portland, then joins Lakers as their secret weapon. Lakers get Paul, we are guaranteed a Lakers-Clippers playoff series. Heat will look to steal Harden just so that Clippers could feel miserable. What if Brogdon is traded somewhere else instead of Clippers - or worse, bought out? As a 2nd apron team, Clippers are barred from signing any players who were bought out. If either or all of Harden, Holiday and Brogdon get waived, Clippers can't get them. There's a chance Clippers go home empty handed, and will really be forced to improve internally.

Or perhaps, because Harden, Holiday and Brogdon are on the market, what if they went after all three? You get the Fantastic 4 of Westbrook-Harden-Leonard-George, Brogdon and Holiday coming off the bench, and if you can find a way to keep Mann in all of this mess, the media will shut up and let competition takes its course. But then you gotta worry that ejections to Leonard, George or both could end their season prematurely. This really is a Killer Kombat season.

Choose your point guard, or choose your alternative. Who would be perfect for Clippers?

Russell Westbrook is our point guard. He came in, and did the job--15.8 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 7.6 apg--and yes, 3.4 TOs but that's offset bigtime with 1.1 steals per game. And now signed here for TWO more years at a minimal salary.

Russ is a greater HOF lock than Harden, plays EVERY game, and let's don't EVEN mention Jrue or fkn Brogdon in the same sentence.

I was never a Harden fan until I saw him play with the Sixers. He didn't play selfishly, just a bit lazily. He's ok by me.

I was never a Russ fan until I saw him play with the Clips. This guy gives his ALL. He's done with racking up the triple-doubles and MVP votes. He is 100% committed to one thing and one thing only--WINNING.

I AM a Russell Westbrook fan now. I admire, respect, and LIKE him too. Kawhi has never been a Magic or Larry Bird. Paul George, a third option like James Worthy, but that's no shame--if Paul George played on the Showtime Lakers, he'd probably be Hall of Fame-bound. Nice player.


This team has always needed a LEADER and that's Russ, sink or swim. He took less money to come back here. Ty knows it. We ALL know it. This is RUSS'S TEAM now.

Damn. No Holiday or Brogdon.

Looks like Harden or standing pat for now.

Hell of trade for both Boston and Portland. Especially Portland.

*eta*

Brogdon might be flipped.



We couldn’t compete with this offer so it wasn’t close then.

Mann better have an all-nba type season if he’s the deal breaker for this team.

Said it in another thread, but: Jrue is on the wrong side of 30, always injured, and shaky in the playoffs. In other words, he's just like 90% of our current roster. We were never beating the Celtics' offer. And to be honest, I'm fine with not trading two first-round picks, Mann, and whatever else for someone who wasn't getting us past Denver anyway. Brogdon won't move the needle either.

There are no realistic moves out there to meaningfully improve the team. Our inept front office squandered way too many assets over the years. Even if there were good moves available, they would go to waste after the inevitable Kawhi and PG playoff injuries. We really should have pressed the reset button this summer and started over from scratch instead of running it back with the same mediocre team, but another year older.

MartinToVaught wrote:Said it in another thread, but: Jrue is on the wrong side of 30, always injured, and shaky in the playoffs. In other words, he's just like 90% of our current roster. We were never beating the Celtics' offer. And to be honest, I'm fine with not trading two first-round picks, Mann, and whatever else for someone who wasn't getting us past Denver anyway. Brogdon won't move the needle either.

There are no realistic moves out there to meaningfully improve the team. Our inept front office squandered way too many assets over the years. Even if there were good moves available, they would go to waste after the inevitable Kawhi and PG playoff injuries. We really should have pressed the reset button this summer and started over from scratch instead of running it back with the same mediocre team, but another year older.

Completely agree. But, all signs seem to point to the Clippers re-signing both Leonard and George to an extension in order to put butts in the seats of Ballmer's new arena when it opens in a few years.

Maybe if we don't get Brogdon, we can finally get whomever he is flipped for.

esqtvd wrote:Russell Westbrook is our point guard. He came in, and did the job--15.8 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 7.6 apg--and yes, 3.4 TOs but that's offset bigtime with 1.1 steals per game. And now signed here for TWO more years at a minimal salary.

Russ is a greater HOF lock than Harden, plays EVERY game, and let's don't EVEN mention Jrue or fkn Brogdon in the same sentence.

I was never a Harden fan until I saw him play with the Sixers. He didn't play selfishly, just a bit lazily. He's ok by me.

I was never a Russ fan until I saw him play with the Clips. This guy gives his ALL. He's done with racking up the triple-doubles and MVP votes. He is 100% committed to one thing and one thing only--WINNING.

I AM a Russell Westbrook fan now. I admire, respect, and LIKE him too. Kawhi has never been a Magic or Larry Bird. Paul George, a third option like James Worthy, but that's no shame--if Paul George played on the Showtime Lakers, he'd probably be Hall of Fame-bound. Nice player.


This team has always needed a LEADER and that's Russ, sink or swim. He took less money to come back here. Ty knows it. We ALL know it. This is RUSS'S TEAM now.

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I mean to be completely honest, I am intrigued about how this team will look with a full year of Russ. Not in a 'championship aspirations' kind of way, just in a 'maybe he'll really put some fight into this team and make them really fun to watch this year' way, and we get further in the playoffs than we expected. I wish he could just learn to shoot a little better lol.

I'm still holding out hope that we can land Harden on the cheap. I'm certain he would help this team but only for the right price (which Morey may never agree to.)

Bones on Brodie

Westbrook due to being waived and losing Bird Rights and being limited to a maximum of his current salary is on the Clippers at a STEEP bargain.

At the price the team is paying, there is A LOT that can now be overlooked. That's just the reality. If he was being paid $25M+ per season, there would be a different aura around what is expected of him.

Westbrook's faults don't go away, he won't become a different type of player, but if the fit continues to be right, Westbrook can contribute to winning positively, and his leadership will help based on the roster this team has.

Get Brooklyn to toss in a pair of seconds to turn Dinwiddie into Brogdon, then deal a second with Mook and Coffey for Dinwiddie.

Russ/Bones/Dinwiddie as the PG trio is decent enough imo.

Russ took less money to stay here than he could have received elsewhere. I am not ready to rock that boat by bringing in someone that would get paid more and take time away from Russ.

As far as I know, Brogdon elected not to have surgery, so he may not actually be properly healthy. However, I would absolutely make a move for an injured Brogdon if it meant I never had to see Morris on the roster again.

ejftw wrote:Get Brooklyn to toss in a pair of seconds to turn Dinwiddie into Brogdon, then deal a second with Mook and Coffey for Dinwiddie.

Not only is Mook's contract an albatross that we'll have to PAY to get rid of, so is Coffey's. He was DEAD LAST in plus/minus last year, even behind John Wall and the G-Leaguers--minus-8.6 per 100 possessions. When you're dead last, YOU'RE the problem.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?TeamID=1610612746&dir=A&sort=PLUS_MINUS

I didn't think he looked that bad, but the scoreboard doesn't lie.