why do all of you want arenas? id rather have mayo.

bulldogcharly · Post #1 » by **bulldogcharly** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:31 pm

now i know arenas is a superstar or close to it, but i dont think that's what the clippers need. we already have EB whos a superstar imo. we will probably have a 5-10 draft pick in the draft this year and will be able to get mayo because we need scoring and youth and mobley isnt helping us in either of those categories lately. he can be a good bench player to back up mayo.

arenas is a chucker and will take away shots from al thornton whos improving his shot a lot. getting arenas will hurt thornton and if we keep maggette and get arenas we might as well trade thornton because he will do nothing for us because those two will hog the ball. thorntons already becoming a better maggette. his shot is consistent for a rookie and he draws fouls just like maggette.

we need to trade maggette to a team like the raptors for some mediocre players and their 1st round draft pick. they get a slasher and pretty good shooter which is what they want and we can get their draft pick and maybe draft thabeet to back up Kaman.

ClipperEric · Post #2 » by **ClipperEric** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:50 pm

A. Arenas is already bonafide in the NBA. Mayo isn't. Ever heard of Harold Miner?

B. Arenas is in place of Maggette. He's a big upgrade. There's no way to keep both financially or on the court.

C. It takes at least 2 stars in this league if you want to win. I like Elton as much as anyone, and he's a bonafide STAR, but SUPERSTAR? Like Kobe or Lebron? not quite. I don't see Elton hitting 3's at end of games to get us the win.

bulldogcharly · Post #3 » by **bulldogcharly** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 4:00 am

brand is one of like 5 people in the NBA that has career averages of 20 and 10. he is joined by people like duncan, KG, shaq, and someone else (i forget)

ive actually thought about it and getting arenas actually wouldnt be so bad, but takes some ridiculous shots at times. if he can mature and realize whats a good shot and whats not, then ill be fine. i want thornton to get more shots and not less, but he wont get more with arenas coming in.

but arenas would have to opt out for the clippers to get him without losing any valuable pieces. the only way the clippers could get arenas without giving up brand would be including kaman and some fillers and future picks. the wizards would probably want to resign jamison and keep butler so kaman would be a pretty good fit with them. our line up would look like this

C - Thabeet (maybe we can get their draft pick out of them)
PF - Brand
SF - Thornton
SG - Arenas
PG - Livingston

mj_shoefanatic · Post #4 » by **mj_shoefanatic** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 4:38 am

Mayo's game is NBA ready and Arenas is an overpaid clutch shooter with knee problems. I'd prefer we draft Mayo if Rose is unavailable and take our chances with our fallen soldiers(i.e. Brand, Livingston) next season.

bulldogcharly · Post #5 » by **bulldogcharly** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:31 am

yeah thats the one thing that worries me. he got injured before the 07 playoffs and was out for a few months. then at the beginning of the season he injured his knee again and has been out since. we really dont need another injury prone player.

i would love to get arenas but only if his knees are 110% AND he learns when to take shots and when not to take shots.

JJ LoDuca · Post #6 » by **JJ LoDuca** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:00 pm

Why do you locos want an overrated teenager over a legitimate NBA balller? I've been to plenty SC games this season and I've seen OJ put up 30+ with my own eyes, but I'm not convinced that he is a natural born scorer or even NBA ready. Call me a hater, but I ain't on dude's bandwagon. I don't know who wins by taking a chance over a sure thing.

Yep, Arenas has the knee issue, but dude is more likely to come back unscathed from that than OJ is to step up and be the "super" to our "star" that we have in EB. I don't have a big problem with Gil chucking up "bad shots" from time to time...I'd like to ask yall to think waaaay back to April-May 2006 when a bald, big-toothed point guard would waste possession after possession by putting up a contested jumper with 20 seconds left on the shot clock. Sam could get away with that, and Gil may take some ill-advised shots, but not enough to hurt his team. Look at the Wiz with him, then look at them without him...I'd bet they'd love to have some of those bad looks right about now.

But all this talk doesn't mean anything till GA officially opts out of his deal (like he says he's undoubtedly gonna) and OJ declares (which he undoubtedly will).

ClipperDomination · Post #7 » by **ClipperDomination** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:51 am

I'll take the solidified NBA baller over the college player with potential who has had an up and down year.

Let's hope we can pay the $ to land GA.

Post #8 » by **Manhattan Project** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:56 am

I dont understand the hate that Mayo catches from everyone, he really showed a lot this year. He played under control, played defense and did great as a freshmen. I think a backcourt of Mayo and Livingston would be phenomenal if Livingston comes back healthy. Me personally I would rather see the money used elsewhere instead of Arenas, I really think we should lock up Brand and Livingston up long term.

Mayo has shown he can play with teammates, Thornton has really progressed this year and shown a lot. Brand and Kaman know how to play team ball. Mayo makes to much sense for this team.

ClipperDomination · Post #9 » by **ClipperDomination** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:42 am

Manhattan Project wrote:I dont understand the hate that Mayo catches from everyone, he really showed a lot this year. He played under control, played defense and did great as a freshmen. I think a backcourt of Mayo and Livingston would be phenomenal if Livingston comes back healthy. Me personally I would rather see the money used elsewhere instead of Arenas, I really think we should lock up Brand and Livingston up long term.

Mayo has shown he can play with teammates, Thornton has really progressed this year and shown a lot. Brand and Kaman know how to play team ball. Mayo makes to much sense for this team.

Um, yeah, I've been watching Mayo this whole year since I get most of USC's games on TV.

Here's the deal. He's a type of player whose performance affects the outcome of a game. One day, he'll play terribly, jacking up "Kobe" shots thinking he does not need to make the extra pass. Then he will get lackadaisical on the defensive end and think he never has a chance to get back into the game. In another game, he'll play like a up-and-coming star, where he will show how good he can become, making the extra pass, going to the line 10-15 times, making his three point shots.

He's shown signs of greatness, but he does have an attitude problem so I've heard, and I think you can definitely realize that on the court.

He would be a decent pick if we chose him, but I'd MUCH rather have GA, a solidified star, than OJ.

JJ LoDuca · Post #10 » by **JJ LoDuca** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:01 am

Preach, CD.

Post #11 » by **Manhattan Project** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:11 am

ClipperDomination wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Um, yeah, I've been watching Mayo this whole year since I get most of USC's games on TV.

Here's the deal. He's a type of player whose performance affects the outcome of a game. One day, he'll play terribly, jacking up "Kobe" shots thinking he does not need to make the extra pass. Then he will get lackadaisical on the defensive end and think he never has a chance to get back into the game. In another game, he'll play like a up-and-coming star, where he will show how good he can become, making the extra pass, going to the line 10-15 times, making his three point shots.

He's shown signs of greatness, but he does have an attitude problem so I've heard, and I think you can definitely realize that on the court.

He would be a decent pick if we chose him, but I'd MUCH rather have GA, a solidified star, than OJ.

I think one thing that people seem to overlook is the fact that guys like Mayo are only freshmen. It seems that people expected all of the freshmen this year to be Kevin Durant or Carmelo Anthony in terms of dominance.

On the other hand the thought of landing Arenas is very tempting, but that would be a core that have had serious injury problems and tied up in a lot of money. Arenas changes the entire dynamic of a team and after watching the Wizards this year it does serve as an eye opener.

ClipperDomination · Post #12 » by **ClipperDomination** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:26 am

Yes, we all realize that Mayo is a freshman, but he right now is not the college star that everyone thinks he is. Rose and Beasley are in a different class when it comes to freshman seasons.

He is a work in progress, and will eventually become a fantastic NBA player, but he needs work both on and off the court.

PlinkingPanda · Post #13 » by **PlinkingPanda** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:41 am

I'd rather have Arenas than someone who hasn't played a single NBA game. His skills may have shown he can play, but we've seen plenty of players who never lived up to their potential cause they can't handle the NBA.

Also next season is big. I feel it will determine whether or not Brand will stay or go. Having a rookie trying to lead the us to the playoffs doesn't sit too well with me(Livingston is questionable.. and Brevin is a good backup, but not a starter). Arenas may be a chucker, but he's still a damn good scorer, clutch player, and still young.

Post #14 » by **SD2042** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:56 am

That is true, but will the money Arenas will demand in the offseason be worth the risk to take on considering his injury prone status from the last two seasons?

Post #15 » by **mkwest** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:16 am

SD2042 wrote:That is true, but will the money Arenas will demand in the offseason be worth the risk to take on considering his injury prone status from the last two seasons?

That's a big concern of mine. Another iffy knee. I think that Acquiring Arenas could be a good move for obvious reasons (2nd star, dynamic guard, another reason for Brand to stay, etc.) but how will he be obtained? We don't have enough cap room to sign him outright unless Brand bolted. S&T is a possibility but who/what do we end up moving that Washington will be content with?

PlinkingPanda · Post #16 » by **PlinkingPanda** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:11 pm

SD2042 wrote:That is true, but will the money Arenas will demand in the offseason be worth the risk to take on considering his injury prone status from the last two seasons?

I don't think it is to be honest. I'd rather go after someone like Calderon, Udrih, or Duhon while spending the extra cash trying to get a pure shooter(which we will still need even if we get Arenas).

Post #17 » by **SD2042** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:00 pm

The Raps are committed to Calderon with T.J. Ford's history of injuries. Udrih improvement has impressed Sactown that they appear willing to sign him to an extension. As for Duhon, Chi-town is divorcing him and making him a free agent. Considering Duhon, he could be had for cheap, but expect some competition from teams like the Spurs for his services.

SportsFan215 · Post #18 » by **SportsFan215** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:22 pm

Arenas is too selfish for my liking.

bulldogcharly · Post #19 » by **bulldogcharly** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:45 pm

do you guys not understand that arenas will play at the 2. he's a sg not a pg. why are you talking about getting guys like duhon, calderon etc. when they play a different position than arenas. when arenas comes back daniels will start at pg and he will play at sg for the wizards.

id be content with either mayo or arenas. arenas is a veteran and although he is a chucker like some people mentioned, he might convince brand to stay. the only thing that bothers me is his knee. hes injured it twice in the past 2 seasons. with mayo, we dont have to waste a lot of money and it gives us a young guy who can create shots for himself.

PlinkingPanda · Post #20 » by **PlinkingPanda** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:56 pm

SD2042 wrote:The Raps are committed to Calderon with T.J. Ford's history of injuries. Udrih improvement has impressed Sactown that they appear willing to sign him to an extension. As for Duhon, Chi-town is divorcing him and making him a free agent. Considering Duhon, he could be had for cheap, but expect some competition from teams like the Spurs for his services.

Yeah I'm sure it would be really tough to get Calderon or Udrih, but with Calderon they already have Ford inked with a 8M contract for a good amount of years. The way Calderon is playing I'm sure he'd want the big bucks too. If he loves it as much as he says he does and takes a smaller check to stay with the team then good for him, but I don't really see how they can keep two PGs with high salaries when they lack size/toughness.

Plus screw San Antonio. They have Paker and Stoudamire. No need to be stingy and take Duhon too. >: (

And Arenas is a combo guard. He can play either position. Just cause he's a scorer doesn't mean he only plays the SG position.