Starting SG, Gordon or Mobley

vtime · Post #1 » by **vtime** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 1:13 am

Who do you pair in the backcourt with Baron Davis. The frontcourt is set with Kaman, Brand, and Thornton. I would say the Clips are now a playoff team again, but the West is just brutal, even a team like Portland that adds Bayless and Oden for next year isnt a lock for the playoffs.

ClipperDomination · Post #2 » by **ClipperDomination** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 1:15 am

I would probably go with Mobley, because of his experience and defense.

Gordon off the bench makes much more sense for the Clippers, and more importantly for himself. He should not have to have the pressure of playing starter minutes in his first season when we have a veteran here for him to learn things from.

lukeridenour · Post #3 » by **lukeridenour** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 1:24 am

start mobley, let gordon learn the game first. also playing both wouldnt be bad, mobley is a decent play maker.

batkins182 · Post #4 » by **batkins182** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 1:26 am

Yea, I agree with ClipperDomination. It wouldn't make much sense making a rookie play starter minutes for a Playoff team when you have a guy like Mobley.

jflipclip · Post #5 » by **jflipclip** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 1:28 am

Mobley, he can still postup opposing defenders and find a guy open. I think Gordon will be our spark off the bench.

GuyverX · Post #6 » by **GuyverX** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 1:28 am

Well, I think Dunleavy will start Mobley to begin with and bring the rookie in slowly. This is what he did with Thornton. Eventually though, if Gordon is as advertised I imagine he will take the starting role and Mobley goes to the bench as sixth man (Mobley will have no problem with this since he already agreed to it last season).

Now I'm going to be pissed if he still has Thornton off the bench and starts Thomas. :roll:

vtime · Post #7 » by **vtime** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 1:29 am

I can agree with the experience argument for Mobley, but not defense. With Brand being one of the best shotblockers in the NBA year in and year out and Kaman emerging as a top shotblocker last year, perimeter defense really wont hurt you, and you really want quick wings on the perimeter taking chances because of that, so you could argue that Gordon would do better defensively. As much as I think starting would help Gordon and the team going forward, I think Dunleavy will opt for Mobley. If the team were headed for the lottery again instead of competing for a playoff spot like they can now with this talent, I think he would start Gordon.

evildallas · Post #8 » by **evildallas** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 1:50 am

I think Mobley has little left in the tank. Gordon might not have it day 1, but I got to think he takes it sooner or later.

JJ LoDuca · Post #9 » by **JJ LoDuca** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 1:54 am

Firstly, the offseason is not over-- not that we have a lot of money to bring in a new SG, but some personnel changes could indeed come. Secondly, I don't think a rookie should ever be handed the starting job right off the bat, so I'm with most of you in saying Mobley should get the starting spot, but Gordon should slowly but surely make his presence known and earn some starting time a la Thornton.

Damn we're gonna be good.

illastrate · Post #10 » by **illastrate** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 2:16 am

Start Mobley at the beginning of the season and ease Gordon's way into the lineup. By mid-season, hopefully he'll be ready to start. He'll be OUR Monta Ellis!

ClipperDomination · Post #11 » by **ClipperDomination** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 2:19 am

JJ LoDuca wrote:Firstly, the offseason is not over-- not that we have a lot of money to bring in a new SG, but some personnel changes could indeed come. Secondly, I don't think a rookie should ever be handed the starting job right off the bat, so I'm with most of you in saying Mobley should get the starting spot, but Gordon should slowly but surely make his presence known and earn some starting time a la Thornton.

Damn we're gonna be good.

Actually we don't have $ to bring in top-talent FA's. As long as Brand re-signs with the Clipps, we no longer have a MLE or LLE to offer to players. We'd be using a lot of vet minimum contracts... :-?

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Trading might be the best way to add depth.

MJallday59 · Post #12 » by **MJallday59** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 2:34 am

Interesting Idea: Starting 2 Guard for the Clippers may actually be Mickael Pietrus. Dunleavy loves the guy and he'd cherish the idea of starting him at the 2 and having Eric Gordon be his backup..until he's ready to start. I'd imagine if Dunleavy could guarantee Pietrus 25-30 minutes a game...he'd sign for the MLE. Mobley would probably make the switch full time as backup PG with Baron getting most of the minutes. Using the LLE to sign Elson ...

Davis / Mobley
Pietrus/ Gordon
Thorton/ Ross
Brand/ Thomas/
Kaman/ Elson Jordan

ClipperDomination · Post #13 » by **ClipperDomination** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 2:38 am

From loserX in the Trades and Transactions board:

You can't use capspace and exceptions in the same offseason. The MLE and the LLE have been renounced and are gone. (Same thing happened to the Magic after the Rashard Lewis S&T last year.) They have only the veteran minimum available to them in FA.

(Note: all this assumes that Brand re-signs for a contract that eats up the rest of their cap. If he leaves, or signs for less (neither of which is very likely, IMHO), they will have more money to play with.)

GuyverX · Post #14 » by **GuyverX** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 3:08 am

We're basically out of real money to play with FAs after re-signing Brand. They only way to add depth is to trade.

vtime · Post #15 » by **vtime** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 3:12 am

what better tutor for Deandre Jordan than Kaman and Brand, two guys that rebound and block shots? I'd bring back Paul Davis too.

Post #16 » by **mkwest** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 3:49 am

I would start Mobley as well. Gordon will be able to learn from Mobley and be a spark off the bench. Will he eventually start? Later on in the season is a possibility. Having him start right away would be throwing him out to the wolves. He'll need to build his confidence and adjust to playing in the NBA.

vtime wrote:what better tutor for Deandre Jordan than Kaman and Brand, two guys that rebound and block shots? I'd bring back Paul Davis too.

I liked Paul and it really sucked that he went down when he did last season. He could have really benefited from the extended playing time. Maybe he'll be brought back for less. As far as Jordan goes, he's definitely a project. I like the fact that he'll have Brand & Kaman to learn from. I am also hoping that Kim Hughes is able to have a good influence on Jordan as he has had with Kaman.

kombayn · Post #17 » by **kombayn** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 4:09 am

Starting Line-Up: Baron Davis, Cuttino Mobley, Al Thornton, Elton Brand, Chris Kaman
Bench: Brevin Knight, Eric Gordon, Tim Thomas, Josh Powell, DeAndre Jordan
Reserves: Mike Taylor, Nick Fazeakus, Paul Davis
D-League: Yaroslav Korolev, Marcus Williams
Injured Reserve: Shaun Livingston

I have no worries now for this season. We can compete for a 5 through 8 seed this year.

Tucker74 · Post #18 » by **Tucker74** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 5:13 am

I just want Dunleavy to stick with a rotation and not tinker and play matchup every night.

We need Mobley's outside shooting and defense. With Q likely to leave, Cat is our best perimeter defender. That's not saying much and Gordon may grow into the role, but relying on a 20 year old rookie to defend the best perimeter player is a little much.

JJ LoDuca · Post #19 » by **JJ LoDuca** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 5:21 am

ClipperDomination wrote:
JJ LoDuca wrote:Firstly, the offseason is not over-- not that we have a lot of money to bring in a new SG, but some personnel changes could indeed come. Secondly, I don't think a rookie should ever be handed the starting job right off the bat, so I'm with most of you in saying Mobley should get the starting spot, but Gordon should slowly but surely make his presence known and earn some starting time a la Thornton.

Damn we're gonna be good.

Actually we don't have $ to bring in top-talent FA's. As long as Brand re-signs with the Clipps, we no longer have a MLE or LLE to offer to players. We'd be using a lot of vet minimum contracts... .

Trading might be the best way to add depth.

This is what I meant by:

not that we have a lot of money to bring in a new SG, but some personnel changes could indeed come.

Meaning...we don't have $ to bring in top-talent FA's, so trading might be the best way to add depth.

You know what they say about great minds, CD.

mj_shoefanatic · Post #20 » by **mj_shoefanatic** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 5:22 am

Mobley should start until Gordon gets cozy in the offense.