Clips getting Randolph in 3-way?

[NW]

Alan Hahn is reporting that a possible three-way trade could be completed.

The Knicks, Warriors and Clippers may be on the verge of a trade that would involve Jamal Crawford, Zach Randolph and Mardy Collins being traded in a cap-clearing move that would see the Knicks bring in Tim Thomas, Cuttino Mobley and Al Harrington.

The Clippers would land Randolph and the Warriors would receive Jamal Crawford.

All three contracts expire by 2010 when LeBron James, Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh will be free-agents.

Via Newsday

[thanumba2clippersfan]

Funny I was just about to post this, I got beat to it. I'm still not a fan of Randolph and we wouldn't have the cap space for 2010 if we make this trade.

[jking]

where would Randolph play when you have Camby and Kaman? Would another move follow getting rid of Camby or Kaman?

[jflipclip]

where would Randolph play when you have Camby and Kaman? Would another move follow getting rid of Camby or Kaman?

Camby off the bench isn't a bad idea. Who's playing behind Kaman now? Paul Davis? Brian Skinner? Not the ideal bench player from those two guys, but they do a decent job holding up minutes while Kaman/Camby gets a breather. Camby could be a spark off the bench. Or, knowing Dunleavy, he'll adjust according to the team we face. A move could follow, but who knows. Do we really want to do with Kaman or Camby? Who can we get besides a guy off the bench? Unless we get lucky and some SG is unpleased with his team (Redd? Carter?) and is willing to accept either of the two.

I like Randolph and this trade. This gives PT for EG with Mobley off. Randolph is another scorer (just hope he doesn't turn into last year's Randolph) for the Clippers to rely on. I like Randolph and Baron as a 1-2 punch more than Baron/Camby or Baron/Kaman. Giving up the 2010 cap-space is risky, especially since we're below .500 and doing this trade essentially for a playoff berth. It's really 50/50, do you want to risk winning now, while Baron is still young and healthy, or win later, when we have fully developed Thornton and Gordon as our wing players and who knows how Kaman and Baron look later?

[cinnamon]

This trade would be very hard on me.
We all have our personal opinions of particular players, and I feel I've been through a lot with the Clippers over the last few years and have always been able to maintain a certain basic level of interest and support and usually even hope.
But this rumored trade is pushing me towards my limits. I just hope very much that it doesn't happen.

[Da_James_Gang]

On the knicks board they said they heard that you guys could be moving Kaman to the bobcats if this went down. But i really don't see why you need a guy like wallace who i heard you would go after if you already have thorton, unless you get jrich...........

[og15]

I'm having a hard time seeing the benefit of this. Tim Thomas and Cuttino Mobley have shorter contracts than Randolph's bloated contract. While Randolph can score, he does it inefficiently right now, he's a weak passer, a poor defender, and it's not like he's just a bad man defender, he doesn't have good help defense or block shots either.

If Randolph was the type of player that could make the team a contender, I would have no problem. But all Randolph does is make the team an 8th seed in the playoffs at best. Is it really worth dumping all that money just for that.

The aspect I do like is that it possibly opens up minutes for EG at the SG position, but outside of that, nothing else excites me about this.

[PETEY PABLO]

Which would be more productive?

Baron Davis or Davis
Cat Mobley Gordon
Al Thornton Thornton
Camby Randolph
Kaman Kaman

2-9 0-0 ?

[madmaxmedia]

Here are my thoughts on this-

1. This uses up potential cap space in 2 years, but honestly no marquee player is going to sign here when plenty of other teams will have space too. It's a crapshoot we have no control over, and the crapshoot is still almost 2 years from now.

2. That being said, I've always said TT and Cutino will have great trade value in a year since they will be expiring. You can add significant value in a trade in which you have control over, rather than hoping some FA will sign with you. Look at what the Lakers did with Kwame Brown.

3. Zach Randolph certainly wasn't what I was thinking, but who knows. The guy can score and is a legit quality NBA PF, the big question is of course his attitude.

4. It is still early, but the team is not gelling and is not showing any signs of developing chemistry. You would like to give more time of course. But scoring is a big issue here. We don't have a 20 PPG threat yet outside of our PG. Thornton is the closest but if he's your big gun on offense, you're going to be outmatched on many, many nights.

5. Kaman is a quality NBA center, but not ideal for a Baron Davis led team. If the Clippers trade for Randolph, I would really expect a Kaman trade next. The positive is that Kaman's contract is not unreasonable, so we can expect to get value back in return. That's why he's a better trade option than Camby, who is good but old.

Sometimes you simply have to make do with the best available options. The Lakers could afford to wait a year and half before Gasol became available, because they already had Kobe to keep them playing at a fairly good level. The Clippers don't have that option. The last thing we need is to suffer through a 25 win season, it will be icy cold water after the excitement of the Baron signing.

It seems like no deal is coming, since the Knicks and Warriors may trade straight up. But I'd rather the Clippers act sooner than later, each year Baron is going to get a little more creakier.

[jflipclip]

Looks like Clips are out of the deal, apparently its only Crawford for Harrington. No more, no less.

Randolph a weak passer? Who, besides Baron, isn't a weak passer? You know, all those things you (og) listed sound like Kaman, haha. Kaman is a better defender, but rarely does he show consistent play on D. Again, it's really 50/50. I'm pretty sure Dunleavy is behind this though. It looks like he wants to turn Randolph into Brand, which there could be a good chance in doing that if you help him with his defense and attitude.

Where it stands, a trade right now isn't necessary. When we play .500 ball, that's when we reevaluate these trade offers.

[ClipperEric]

I don't know if I'm sold on this trade or not, but we need to do something. We obviously need a PF and this fills that role, and Zach can really score, our biggest need right now. Plus, anything that gets rid of TT is great in my mind. Cat's alright but $9mil is just too much for him these days.

This does create a logjam between Kaman, Camby and Zach though. I would expect another trade to be coming. Probably not til after Dec 15 when we can unload some of our newly sign free agents as well. The question is, Kaman or Camby? I still think Center is the hardest position to fill and its very difficuly to get rid of a good young one in Kaman. Camby's been playing great but we all know he isn't the future.

We also have to think about the 2 spot. Who starts in place of Cat? Ricky D or Gordon? I hope its Gordon.

What about going big with Kaman, Camby, Zach and letting Al play the 2? He'd have a tough time on defense but he could score over just about any 2 guard.

I agree with og15, this deal makes us better but not contenders. The biggest question is, what's the next deal to bring in a real star to get us to the upper echelon? Who would even be a target?

Regarding 2010: Don't even waste time thinking about it, we aren't going to sign any of those big names guys. We need to find other ways to bring talent in here.

[mj_shoefanatic]

smoke and mirrors fellas

ZBO would have been a good acquistion if it meant CAT and Trash Thomas were leaving town.

[HKSVIP]

smoke and mirrors fellas

ZBO would have been a good acquistion if it meant CAT and Trash Thomas were leaving town.

I think you're right. See Wiretap.

[Basketballmania]

yor FO is stupid you should have done that BEFORE you traded for Camby.
has he done anything special for you yet?

[madmaxmedia]

yor FO is stupid you should have done that BEFORE you traded for Camby.
has he done anything special for you yet?

That makes no sense whatsoever, we got Camby for nothing.

And we wouldn't have traded for ZR before now, because ZR's play this year was probably a large factor in the Clippers' decision.

[KnicksScholar24]

I'm having a hard time seeing the benefit of this. Tim Thomas and Cuttino Mobley have shorter contracts than Randolph's bloated contract. While Randolph can score, he does it inefficiently right now, he's a weak passer, a poor defender, and it's not like he's just a bad man defender, he doesn't have good help defense or block shots either.

If Randolph was the type of player that could make the team a contender, I would have no problem. But all Randolph does is make the team an 8th seed in the playoffs at best. Is it really worth dumping all that money just for that.

The aspect I do like is that it possibly opens up minutes for EG at the SG position, but outside of that, nothing else excites me about this.

Get real. Randolph is way better than the crap y'all gave up (Thomas and Mobley). In fact it frees up time for Gordon. If Randolph was coming from the Blazers in exchange for the same players (Thomas & Mobley) you all would be jumping for joy. He comes from the Knicks then all of a sudden he's trash and not a 20/12 player (with mediocre defense). Y'all have two good shot-blockers (Kaman & Camby). He doesn't need to come there and turn into Bill Russell. All he has to do is provide a low post presence and grab boards. Two things he can do extremely well.

If LA could pull a trade for Vince Carter you're team would be a lot better than they were at the start of the season.