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My sources say that Rasheed Wallace and the Cavs are beginning talks on a two-year deal worth about $10 million per for the services of the former Piston. The move and negotiations were inspired by Dwight Howard’s dominant performance over Cleveland’s big men in the Eastern Conference Finals. And Wallace will be brought in for that very purpose, to neutralize Dwight Howard next season and help the Cavs get over the hump.

This supports what we previously reported about what it will take for Sheed to come back next year.

If this signing falls through, I’m hearing that Cleveland may do a sign and trade with the Clippers for Zach Randolph, which certainly makes sense for the Clippers since they are taking Blake Griffin No. 1 overall.

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/20 ... -the-cavs/

Thanks to JordansBulls for the link in the General Forum.

I want the clips to tarde ZBO for Wallace.

SuperNova854 wrote:I want the clips to tarde ZBO for Wallace.

This trade needs to happen. Both teams would benefit.

Yeah, I saw it on the general forum too. If the Cavs really want their hands on ZBo, I'd say sure thing... I don't know how exactly this would work out for the Cavs though. Lebron + Randolph? I think some Cavs fans pointed out that it would create a problem (chemistry issues aside) offensively as he's not really the ideal person next to Z. And also, he's not quite the solution to guarding Dwight Howard..

Good if it happens, but my expectations are pretty low for this rumor being actually true. Probably just an afterthought depending on how free agency works out.

I would welcome this trade if it happened.

git'r done Cleveland!!!

Yes --- maybe Cleveland hasn't noticed Zach's contract.

Please trade Z-Bo for Wallace! We'll be back in the 2010 sweepstakes. Can anybody say Lebron James to the Clippers?

PG-Baron Davis
SG-Eric Gordon
SF-Lebron James
PF-Blake Griffin
C-Marcus Camby/DeAndre Jordan

Okay.......Back to reality.

I don't want to trade Zbo. Especially for a total loser like Ben Wallace.

cinnamon wrote:Yes --- maybe Cleveland hasn't noticed Zach's contract.

His contract is a killer for a still-developing team under the salary cap. It's not nearly so bad for a title contender who is still lacking a significant piece.

They would be trading Ben Wallace, who has 1 less year left on his contract. But that expiring contract doesn't help the Cavs that much, it's not going to allow them to pursue Chris Bosh or something like that since they already have plenty of salary.

I think Wallace is a better play for them, the big worry for Cleveland re: ZBo is not salary or even personality, but defense IMO. He may still be the best available fit for them in the end though, we'll see. It's not every year that a title contender gets to dump their trash for a All-Star in return (Gasol.)

Wallace isn't a good defender. He can't jump to contest shots. He has never been a great position defender. He is too slow to guard athletic big men and too small to guard larger ones. As bad as Z-Bo's d might be he is atleast a big body who won't get pushed around.

If Wallace isnt a good defender then why did he win 4 defensive player of the year awards as a 6'9 center? That's what i thought.

Wallace is retiring so he'd wash the cap completely. At that rate the Cavs can find better. Randolph would have to be attached to a player with positive value. That'd be either Camby or Kaman.

Jajwanda wrote:Wallace is retiring so he'd wash the cap completely. At that rate the Cavs can find better. Randolph would have to be attached to a player with positive value. That'd be either Camby or Kaman.

The Clippers won't attach Randolph to another player with positive value, they can't do it anyway with Camby or Kaman since the Cavs would have additional players to match up the salaries. They also won't add a draft pick, Wallace is about a zero at this point in his career, the Cavs would get 2 years of service out of Randolph while only effectively paying for the last year of contract, the salaries are close to a wash next year - 14 million for Wallace versus 16 million for Zach.

^ I had to point out to some people on the trade board today also that Randolph was traded twice with much more money left on his deal than he has now without having to be attached to positive value. Anyone who thinks that now that his contract is actually managable (2 years reamaining) that you have to add positive value when you didn't before (not to mention he's added the 3 ball to his arsenal) obviously is not that bright of an NBA fan.

loflin3hree5ive wrote:^ I had to point out to some people on the trade board today also that Randolph was traded twice with much more money left on his deal than he has now without having to be attached to positive value. Anyone who thinks that now that his contract is actually managable (2 years reamaining) that you have to add positive value when you didn't before (not to mention he's added the 3 ball to his arsenal) obviously is not that bright of an NBA fan.

Well loflin, my friend, you sound very sure of yourself there.
If I were a potential trade partner, I wouldn't be all that crazy about his contract. And you can take whatever opinion of my mental capacities that you like from that.

It's not being sure of myself, it just common sense IMO. The example I used for a guy who said that even adding Eric Gordon or the #1 wouldn't get teams to bite on Randolph was that it took no incentive to unload Randolph when his contract was twice as fat was that by following that pattern of adding more incentive as the contract gets smaller, by the 2011 trade deadline when Zach has only 2 months left on his contract, Lebon James wouldn't be enough incentive for a team to take Zach. Don't let people fool you, Randolph's value isn't as bad as the average RealGM poster thinks. There are just a lot of people who don't know what they're talking about on the boards.

The only way I can see Randolph's value getting worse as his contract gets better is if A) his production drops off (which it hasn't) or B) if Dunleavy does a horrible job of maintaning leverage (proposing to use Griffin at SF is an example of Dunleavy trying to maintain the upper hand in trade negotations).

The NBA is competitive right now. Teams will try to low ball Dunleavy for Randolph by demanding incentive but all it takes is one team to show interest and Randolph can be traded for decent value without attaching him to positive value.

You make some good points. You seem to feel strongly about this issue, and you can back up your opinion with some good ideas. and that's great.
My only concern is with you saying that the people who don't agree with you are "obviously not that bright" and "don't know what they're talking about," and the clear implication that we lack the "common sense" that you have.
One thing I really value about this particular board is the civility of the way in which we can disagree with each other on specifics here, and the respect we pay each other even when we are disagreeing.
I really enjoy reading your posts, and certainly sometimes appreciate learning things from you. I do respect your knowledge and the thought you put into the things you write. At the same time, sometimes I take a different viewpoint on something. This is one of those times. The last two GMs to be keen on acquiring Zach were Isiah Thomas and Dunleavy, neither of whose judgment has really impressed me to this point.
We'll soon see. Maybe a number other GMs will prove to be eager to acquire Zach and his contract, and will offer Dunleavy good value for him. At that point, I'll be glad to say that I was wrong. I still won't personally feel that it makes me any less bright, or lacking in common sense --- just wrong on this particular issue --- but that is my opinion.

I'm confused.

Who is Cleveland going to trade in a sign & trade to LAC for Zbo???

They cant sign & trade Rasheed Wallace. He's not their player. Only Detroit can sign & trade him.

^I guess that's why this was a rumor