Great NFC East Draft Projections (Manster)

[ncmalko1]

YOU'RE ABDOLUTELY BLIND IF YOU THINK MANSTER PROVED HIS ORIGINAL POINT. Even Jarntt disagreed with him. Jarntt just said the exact same thing Ive been saying. All Manster said was Chip went after some character issues from HS. He 100% did not prove this by showing some players got in trouble in college. Maybe the kid had a 4.0 in high school and was highly thought of and did something stupid in college. Manster didnt prove anything with his links. All he proved is some of Chips players got in trouble in college and its funny how the article supports Chip by saying he got rid of ANYONE who caused trouble. Good try though Eiknarflin.

[ncmalko1]

Eik... sports journalism is an EXTREMELY competitive occupation. To land a job as a writer for our nations top sports publication is hard to do. THis writer from this elite publication said...
""When he got things rolling at Oregon, one of his main edicts in recruiting was to avoid players who produced drama—even if they were better than another recruit at the same position. In Eugene, Kelly believed a harmonious locker room made the team better."

But you are going to say this writer completely made this up and is lying and that Manster is actually in tune with Chip Kelly more then a paid professional writer for our nations elite sports publication and that me, all the Philly sports writers and this writer from SI are all wrong about Chip but the all knowing football genius Manster is actually the correct one. Is that what you're trying to tell me Eiknarflin?

[Schmoopy1000]

Malko bottom line is you were saying he wont have character issues on his team (you used Dez as an example) & I am telling you he will tolerate character issues on his team as long as they don't challenge him. You wanted to disagree with all of this which led to all these little individual comments. So I will just come out & tell you.
You are wrong!!!
He will either tolerate character issues on his team or not be a head coach for very long.
The way he is getting rid of all the high salaries on the team makes me think Chip has a long term goal, not a all in right now goal. So that makes me 100% confident if a piece to his puzzle comes along with questionable characteristics he is gonna take a chance on him. (as all good coaches will)
So I can give a $h!t about isolating a single comment in this drawn out debate, for you to try & claim a victory somehow. When you get it down to the original thoughts. You are simply wrong. & if the media is saying it with you or you are saying it because they are saying it. Let me just say they are wrong as well. A head coach saying they only want jhigh character guys on their team, isn't a new slogan so to see it in print doesn't prove your right. Garrett said the same thing we have Brent & Hardy on our team.
Tom Landry was definitely about high character, but had people that weren't high character on the team. If they went along with the program they stayed on the team, if they didn't & challenged him or disrupted the lockerroom they were gone. (see Duane Thomas)
Chip isn't bringing any new slogans to the forefront here. He is simply taking a team making a statement & making the team his, not something he inherited. Which is also not new in this sport. granted he has done some unorthodox things doing it, but none of that makes your argument.

[Schmoopy1000]

Malko,

Here's how things went down:

1) You said CK would not have someone like Dez on his team because of his character issues
2) Others, including Manster, said that CK has recruited guys with character issues.
3) Manster provided various links that demonstrate CK did recruit several players wit character issues.
4) You said those links prove your case because they speak about CK dropping them from his program
5) You then separate yourself from your original comment and say that you were only saying that that's what you had been reading
6) You then link an SI article (seriously? SI???) that says that CK doesn't want players who produce drama in the locker room, as though that proves that he won't draft/keep guys with questionable character issues.

Bottom line, there is a difference between character issues and drama in the locker room. Dez has had legitimate character issues, but he has not produced drama in the locker room. Your equating of the two - actually your confusion of the two - is what led to you saying CK would never want Dez on his team and it is what led to your claiming victory in this debate.

Me personally, I have no clue what CK is up to. I do know that in today's NFL, a coach won't last long if he isn't willing to tolerate guys with an ego. I tend to think that jarntt is spot on with his thoughts on this discussion. I also think that Manster has proven his original point.

BTW I think you diagnosed this subject very well.

[ncmalko1]

Malko bottom line is you were saying he wont have character issues on his team (you used Dez as an example) & I am telling you he will tolerate character issues on his team as long as they don't challenge him. You wanted to disagree with all of this which led to all these little individual comments. So I will just come out & tell you.
You are wrong!!!
Why am I wrong? Chip has all ready proven he wont. I have professional writers saying the same thing. So again Schmoop... I guess you know more about Chip then the Philly sports writers and writers from SI and draft mags and websites. THey are all saying this, but I guess you know more then them Schmoop.

He will either tolerate character issues on his team or not be a head coach for very long.
The way he is getting rid of all the high salaries on the team makes me think Chip has a long term goal, not a all in right now goal. So that makes me 100% confident if a piece to his puzzle comes along with questionable characteristics he is gonna take a chance on him. (as all good coaches will)
So I can give a $h!t about isolating a single comment in this drawn out debate, for you to try & claim a victory somehow. When you get it down to the original thoughts. You are simply wrong. & if the media is saying it with you or you are saying it because they are saying it. Let me just say they are wrong as well.

I never said I felt this way. Im reporting what paid professional writers for the Philly papers and other magazines are saying. I dont know Chip and Im not an insider but all Im reporting is what they are saying. Again, I guess you know more then these beat writers who have inside sources. Me, I dont know. Im just stating what Ive read. Obviously you and Manster are inside guys and know people in the NFL.

A head coach saying they only want jhigh character guys on their team, isn't a new slogan so to see it in print doesn't prove your right. Garrett said the same thing we have Brent & Hardy on our team.
Tom Landry was definitely about high character, but had people that weren't high character on the team. If they went along with the program they stayed on the team, if they didn't & challenged him or disrupted the lockerroom they were gone. (see Duane Thomas)
Chip isn't bringing any new slogans to the forefront here. He is simply taking a team making a statement & making the team his, not something he inherited. Which is also not new in this sport. granted he has done some unorthodox things doing it, but none of that makes your argument.

I have no argument. Ive said countless times you guys are going after me for what Ive read. I dont know any of this. Im not a writer. None of my posts are my personal feelings. Im just reporting to you what the media in Philly and across the nation are saying. I guess you know more and me and Jarntt are naive.

[Schmoopy1000]

my job isn't to make money with my print as the media is.
I have no problem sitting back & waiting for the proof to arrive. The only way I could be wrong is if Chip has a short stint as a HC.
The media doesn't have to have common sense. They write stuff for their sheep to follow.

[ncmalko1]

Schmoop, I really want you and Eif to understand something. I respect you guys and always read what you guys post. I really dont have any issue with Manster either but I dont take him seriously cause his hate of the Eagles makes him lose his objectivity. When it comes to BJJ he's just the one lone fool who is absolutely clueless and I know yall agree.

In all of my posts all Im saying if what Ive heard about Chip. When I post things Im not saying what I think, Im posting what Ive read about Chip. I've heard countless times that he wont go after troubled players and he has let some of his troubled players go. When Manster posted links to players that got into trouble and were kicked off his team all I said was that doesnt prove Chip will ignore character issues. I said I think it shows quite the opposite.

Again, I dont know if when Chip starts losing that he will change his tune. Im not an insider and I dont know. All Ive been saying is that everything Ive read states Chip wont keep a Desean or a Williams. Chip wont go after a Dez or a DGB. Do I know this for fact? Absolutely not. All Im saying is that Ive READ Chip wont go after questionable players and that Manster is wrong for saying Chip WILL go after some questionable guys because some of his players got into trouble in college. Everything Ive read seems believable cause he just straight up cut Desean Jackson after he put up 1300+ yards. It seems believable because he cut his star starting QB in college. I'M JUST TELLING YOU GUYS WHAT IVE READ. IM NOT AN INSIDER AND I DONT KNOW. You could be completely correct on Chip Schmoop and Eik but Im just stating what Ive read and not accepting Mansters links as proof.

[Schmoopy1000]

difference of opinions is what makes the boards go round & round. I don't take this subject personally. Just have a different opinion of what you are reading.

this whole thing is reminding me of a commercial.
"I read it on the internet so it has to be true" LOL

[Eiknarflin]

Malko wrote:
"But you are going to say this writer completely made this up and is lying and that Manster is actually in tune with Chip Kelly more then a paid professional writer for our nations elite sports publication and that me, all the Philly sports writers and this writer from SI are all wrong about Chip but the all knowing football genius Manster is actually the correct one. Is that what you're trying to tell me Eiknarflin?"

No, that is not what I am saying.

Look, Malko... I like you. Man, I would have a beer, bourbon, or Alabama Slamma with you any day, but you can be exasperating at times.

What I am saying is that you have misunderstood/misquoted what Manster is saying and that you are taking issue with Manster based on what you misunderstood/misquoted him as saying. Now you are misunderstanding/misquoting what I am saying about this whole debate.

Manster is a straight up, 100%, no-nonsense kind of guy. He's a die hard Cowboys' fan and he is an intelligent poster. I wish that he would rejoin the Hoopla and give that forum more class.

I want to give you the benefit of the doubt, Malko, but this is a constant problem with you. You misinterpret guys and take issue with them based on your misinterpretation of what they actually said. Let me put it to you again like this...

MANSTER NEVER SAID THAT CK LIKES GUYS WHO CAUSE PROBLEMS IN THE LOCKER ROOM. THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID HE SAID, BUT HE DIDN'T SAY IT. MANSTER SAID THAT EVEN CK DRAFTS/RECRUITS GUYS WITH QUESTIONABLE CHARACTER ISSUES.

It's not that you do it just with us here on a Cowboy's discussion forum, you do it too with various media that you quote. You make them say what they are not saying. For example, the SI column you quoted doesn't say that CK doesn't draft guys with character issues. It says that CK doesn't put up with guys who cause drama in the locker room. There's a big difference.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Malko bottom line is you were saying he wont have character issues on his team (you used Dez as an example) & I am telling you he will tolerate character issues on his team as long as they don't challenge him. You wanted to disagree with all of this which led to all these little individual comments. So I will just come out & tell you.
You are wrong!!!
Why am I wrong? Chip has all ready proven he wont. I have professional writers saying the same thing. So again Schmoop... I guess you know more about Chip then the Philly sports writers and writers from SI and draft mags and websites. THey are all saying this, but I guess you know more then them Schmoop.

He will either tolerate character issues on his team or not be a head coach for very long.
The way he is getting rid of all the high salaries on the team makes me think Chip has a long term goal, not a all in right now goal. So that makes me 100% confident if a piece to his puzzle comes along with questionable characteristics he is gonna take a chance on him. (as all good coaches will)
So I can give a $h!t about isolating a single comment in this drawn out debate, for you to try & claim a victory somehow. When you get it down to the original thoughts. You are simply wrong. & if the media is saying it with you or you are saying it because they are saying it. Let me just say they are wrong as well.

I never said I felt this way. Im reporting what paid professional writers for the Philly papers and other magazines are saying. I dont know Chip and Im not an insider but all Im reporting is what they are saying. Again, I guess you know more then these beat writers who have inside sources. Me, I dont know. Im just stating what Ive read. Obviously you and Manster are inside guys and know people in the NFL.

A head coach saying they only want jhigh character guys on their team, isn't a new slogan so to see it in print doesn't prove your right. Garrett said the same thing we have Brent & Hardy on our team.
Tom Landry was definitely about high character, but had people that weren't high character on the team. If they went along with the program they stayed on the team, if they didn't & challenged him or disrupted the lockerroom they were gone. (see Duane Thomas)
Chip isn't bringing any new slogans to the forefront here. He is simply taking a team making a statement & making the team his, not something he inherited. Which is also not new in this sport. granted he has done some unorthodox things doing it, but none of that makes your argument.

I have no argument. Ive said countless times you guys are going after me for what Ive read. I dont know any of this. Im not a writer. None of my posts are my personal feelings. Im just reporting to you what the media in Philly and across the nation are saying. I guess you know more and me and Jarntt are naive.

So it was the Philly sports writers that said me and manster are scrubs with their feelings and NOT YOU. O.K.

[Jarntt]

Jarntt said, I think he is 100%, defintely, more interested in character than most coaches and that he will unload everyone that doesn't fit that mold. Thank you Jarntt for being a voice of reason. To address what you're saying I think he is doing both. Dumping PITA's and dumping high priced vets. Herramins and Cole have been great Eagles that followed the system without issue. Mathis did complain about his contract but thats not a major issue.

To be completely fair you left off part of what I said and that does change the meaning:

"I think he is 100%, defintely, more interested in character than most coaches and that he will unload everyone that doesn't fit that mold when beneficial"

I think Kelly and Garrett are very similar in this respect. Both will need to draft, sign and resign players from time to time that don't completely fit the mold of high character guy because it's just the nature of the NFL. When you want guys that are maniacs on the field they can't all turn it off when they are off the field, so there are going to be more issues than with other groups of society. But, both coaches will be LESS LIKELY to do so than other coaches, even though from time to time they will. Since Garrett doesn't have the same power over personnel that Kelly does he may need to be more flexible With guys that are jackasses than Kelly can be, but at their core they are both the same in this respect.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Regardless, I expect the Egals to finish in the basement the next 2 years.

[pools]

keep the locker room clean to keep the attention off the staff

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015 ... -sanctions

[Schmoopy1000]

keep the locker room clean to keep the attention off the staff

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015 ... -sanctions

LOL Could you imagine Chip as the Godfather.
So they cut all the ones that would squeal on them & called it for characters sake.

McCoy, your breaking my heart............. Now lets go fishing!