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Post#361 » by Cactus Jack » Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:04 pm

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Michael Lucky wrote:Dallas has plenty of talent offensively although the Zeke contract looks terrible.

Just tank this year, get a great defensive player through the draft and change the DC. It isn't rocket science what the Cowboys need to do this season.

Who would you take?


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Mr. B, you know I have been screaming for defense for 6 years now. Especially DT and LB. In this case, I start by either trading or getting rid of both Elliot and Cooper and those over priced contracts. I haven't made up my mind yet on what to do with Dak. I rebuild the OL and DL and find another RB. If we don't keep Dak, we will all have a different approach on priorities.

Drop McCarthy & clean house. Admit you made a mistake. Then Tag Dak but target a QB in the draft. If you draft one, then you can shop Dak around. Plenty of teams will want him.
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Re: State of Cowboys Union? 

Post#362 » by Mr B » Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:24 pm

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Mr B wrote:
Michael Lucky wrote:Dallas has plenty of talent offensively although the Zeke contract looks terrible.

Just tank this year, get a great defensive player through the draft and change the DC. It isn't rocket science what the Cowboys need to do this season.

Who would you take?


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Mr. B, you know I have been screaming for defense for 6 years now. Especially DT and LB. In this case, I start by either trading or getting rid of both Elliot and Cooper and those over priced contracts. I haven't made up my mind yet on what to do with Dak. I rebuild the OL and DL and find another RB. If we don't keep Dak, we will all have a different approach on priorities.

According to Jerry they’re sticking with MM. As far as players we have to think realistically. I would love for them to trade Zeke, Cooper, and Jaylon but that’s not realistically going to happen.

I think more than likely what is going to happen is they will find a new DC and draft according to the type of defense the new DC runs (3-4 or 4-3). The OL will get healthier with Collins coming back. The need a LT though.

Assuming they land somewhere around the 5th pick I think they will resign Dak (who is ahead in his rehab schedule apparently) and draft heavy on defense. There are 2 LT’s projected in the top 10. Only the LT from Oregon is top 5 though. If he’s available I think they take him 1st. If not I expect it will be CB Patrick Surtain II from Alabama. I expect this draft to be heavy on the defensive side.

The only thing that throws this off is if they actually end up with the #1 pick. I know Jerry said they won’t take a QB but if you’re sitting there with Lawrence on the board you HAVE to take him. It would extend this teams SB window back to 5 years.


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Re: State of Cowboys Union? 

Post#363 » by Mr B » Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:28 pm

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Mr B wrote:Who would you take?


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Mr. B, you know I have been screaming for defense for 6 years now. Especially DT and LB. In this case, I start by either trading or getting rid of both Elliot and Cooper and those over priced contracts. I haven't made up my mind yet on what to do with Dak. I rebuild the OL and DL and find another RB. If we don't keep Dak, we will all have a different approach on priorities.

Drop McCarthy & clean house. Admit you made a mistake. Then Tag Dak but target a QB in the draft. If you draft one, then you can shop Dak around. Plenty of teams will want him.

The problem with franchising Dak and then trading him (after drafting a QB) is that Dak would have to
be on board with it. The Cowboys obviously would not want to pay the $37M for the tag so all Dak would have to do is refuse to sign the tag. Call the Cowboys bluff that they are actually willing to pay him. They would have to resend the tag making him a UFA at the deadline. If he’s on board that would be great because there will be about 5 teams that will likely pursue Dak pretty hard.


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Post#364 » by Cactus Jack » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:30 pm

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bluejerseyjinx wrote:Mr. B, you know I have been screaming for defense for 6 years now. Especially DT and LB. In this case, I start by either trading or getting rid of both Elliot and Cooper and those over priced contracts. I haven't made up my mind yet on what to do with Dak. I rebuild the OL and DL and find another RB. If we don't keep Dak, we will all have a different approach on priorities.

Drop McCarthy & clean house. Admit you made a mistake. Then Tag Dak but target a QB in the draft. If you draft one, then you can shop Dak around. Plenty of teams will want him.

The problem with franchising Dak and then trading him (after drafting a QB) is that Dak would have to
be on board with it. The Cowboys obviously would not want to pay the $37M for the tag so all Dak would have to do is refuse to sign the tag. Call the Cowboys bluff that they are actually willing to pay him. They would have to resend the tag making him a UFA at the deadline. If he’s on board that would be great because there will be about 5 teams that will likely pursue Dak pretty hard.


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Well obviously he'd have to be on board. But as long as someone is willing to give him a long-term deal ($), then there shouldn't be an issue.

Worst case: If no deal can be reached, then you playout the year with him on the tag, while a rookie QB sits & redshirt's. Letting him walk (No tag) & he leaves doesn't make a whole lot of sense for the Cowboys.
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Re: State of Cowboys Union? 

Post#365 » by Mr B » Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:07 am

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Cactus Jack wrote:Drop McCarthy & clean house. Admit you made a mistake. Then Tag Dak but target a QB in the draft. If you draft one, then you can shop Dak around. Plenty of teams will want him.

The problem with franchising Dak and then trading him (after drafting a QB) is that Dak would have to
be on board with it. The Cowboys obviously would not want to pay the $37M for the tag so all Dak would have to do is refuse to sign the tag. Call the Cowboys bluff that they are actually willing to pay him. They would have to resend the tag making him a UFA at the deadline. If he’s on board that would be great because there will be about 5 teams that will likely pursue Dak pretty hard.


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Well obviously he'd have to be on board. But as long as someone is willing to give him a long-term deal ($), then there shouldn't be an issue.

Worst case: If no deal can be reached, then you playout the year with him on the tag, while a rookie QB sits & redshirt's. Letting him walk (No tag) & he leaves doesn't make a whole lot of sense for the Cowboys.

Or you could trade Dak mid-season. Wouldn’t be likely to get the best offer that way but it would be better than letting him walk for nothing. I still think Indy would be the best team for him.


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Post#366 » by bluejerseyjinx » Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:05 pm

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Mr B wrote:Who would you take?


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Mr. B, you know I have been screaming for defense for 6 years now. Especially DT and LB. In this case, I start by either trading or getting rid of both Elliot and Cooper and those over priced contracts. I haven't made up my mind yet on what to do with Dak. I rebuild the OL and DL and find another RB. If we don't keep Dak, we will all have a different approach on priorities.

According to Jerry they’re sticking with MM. As far as players we have to think realistically. I would love for them to trade Zeke, Cooper, and Jaylon but that’s not realistically going to happen.

I think more than likely what is going to happen is they will find a new DC and draft according to the type of defense the new DC runs (3-4 or 4-3). The OL will get healthier with Collins coming back. The need a LT though.

Assuming they land somewhere around the 5th pick I think they will resign Dak (who is ahead in his rehab schedule apparently) and draft heavy on defense. There are 2 LT’s projected in the top 10. Only the LT from Oregon is top 5 though. If he’s available I think they take him 1st. If not I expect it will be CB Patrick Surtain II from Alabama. I expect this draft to be heavy on the defensive side.

The only thing that throws this off is if they actually end up with the #1 pick. I know Jerry said they won’t take a QB but if you’re sitting there with Lawrence on the board you HAVE to take him. It would extend this teams SB window back to 5 years.


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Why Jaylon Smith.? Is it his contract or Jaylon himself?
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Post#367 » by Cactus Jack » Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:24 pm

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Mr B wrote:I would love for them to trade Zeke, Cooper, and Jaylon but that’s not realistically going to happen.

Why Jaylon Smith.? Is it his contract or Jaylon himself?

DeMarcus Lawrence has $44m in dead cap, if you cut or trade him in the offseason.

Cooper's Dead Cap number= $28m

Zeke= $24m.

Jaylon= $9m.

So if you cut or trade any of those guys in the offseason, you still will take a huge hit. I didn't realize Jaylon got paid as much as he did. It seems Jerry went a little crazy & started giving everyone handouts. :wink:

They are estimated to have $34 million in cap space next year (w/out Dak signed). They'll be up against the cap assuming they do franchise him. Not a ton of wiggle room.
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Post#368 » by Mr B » Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:42 pm

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bluejerseyjinx wrote:Mr. B, you know I have been screaming for defense for 6 years now. Especially DT and LB. In this case, I start by either trading or getting rid of both Elliot and Cooper and those over priced contracts. I haven't made up my mind yet on what to do with Dak. I rebuild the OL and DL and find another RB. If we don't keep Dak, we will all have a different approach on priorities.

According to Jerry they’re sticking with MM. As far as players we have to think realistically. I would love for them to trade Zeke, Cooper, and Jaylon but that’s not realistically going to happen.

I think more than likely what is going to happen is they will find a new DC and draft according to the type of defense the new DC runs (3-4 or 4-3). The OL will get healthier with Collins coming back. The need a LT though.

Assuming they land somewhere around the 5th pick I think they will resign Dak (who is ahead in his rehab schedule apparently) and draft heavy on defense. There are 2 LT’s projected in the top 10. Only the LT from Oregon is top 5 though. If he’s available I think they take him 1st. If not I expect it will be CB Patrick Surtain II from Alabama. I expect this draft to be heavy on the defensive side.

The only thing that throws this off is if they actually end up with the #1 pick. I know Jerry said they won’t take a QB but if you’re sitting there with Lawrence on the board you HAVE to take him. It would extend this teams SB window back to 5 years.


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Why Jaylon Smith.? Is it his contract or Jaylon himself?

For me it’s Jaylon himself. To me he epitomizes what is wrong with this team. He’s a “me first” player. When you watch him he’s out there celebrating even when his team is getting their ass handed to them. He’s fine though because he got his numbers. He also has trouble cutting on the leg he had issues with and to me seems like he has one of the lowest football IQ’s on the team. No situational awareness. If it were my team he’d be the first one gone.


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Post#369 » by bluejerseyjinx » Fri Nov 13, 2020 7:50 pm

Mr B wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:
Mr B wrote:According to Jerry they’re sticking with MM. As far as players we have to think realistically. I would love for them to trade Zeke, Cooper, and Jaylon but that’s not realistically going to happen.

I think more than likely what is going to happen is they will find a new DC and draft according to the type of defense the new DC runs (3-4 or 4-3). The OL will get healthier with Collins coming back. The need a LT though.

Assuming they land somewhere around the 5th pick I think they will resign Dak (who is ahead in his rehab schedule apparently) and draft heavy on defense. There are 2 LT’s projected in the top 10. Only the LT from Oregon is top 5 though. If he’s available I think they take him 1st. If not I expect it will be CB Patrick Surtain II from Alabama. I expect this draft to be heavy on the defensive side.

The only thing that throws this off is if they actually end up with the #1 pick. I know Jerry said they won’t take a QB but if you’re sitting there with Lawrence on the board you HAVE to take him. It would extend this teams SB window back to 5 years.


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Why Jaylon Smith.? Is it his contract or Jaylon himself?

For me it’s Jaylon himself. To me he epitomizes what is wrong with this team. He’s a “me first” player. When you watch him he’s out there celebrating even when his team is getting their ass handed to them. He’s fine though because he got his numbers. He also has trouble cutting on the leg he had issues with and to me seems like he has one of the lowest football IQ’s on the team. No situational awareness. If it were my team he’d be the first one gone.


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I remember you didn't like Smith from the start. You always were uncertain from him fully recovering from that knee injury. Looks like you were right all of long. And 18 years later our LB crew is still total crap. Defense is still crap. Coaching is still crap. Owner and front office is crap. Elliot has proven he is crap with no awesome OL anymore. I'm not sure what to do anymore when you keep replacing crap contracts and crap players with more crap players and contracts.
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Post#370 » by Mr B » Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:10 pm

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bluejerseyjinx wrote:Why Jaylon Smith.? Is it his contract or Jaylon himself?

For me it’s Jaylon himself. To me he epitomizes what is wrong with this team. He’s a “me first” player. When you watch him he’s out there celebrating even when his team is getting their ass handed to them. He’s fine though because he got his numbers. He also has trouble cutting on the leg he had issues with and to me seems like he has one of the lowest football IQ’s on the team. No situational awareness. If it were my team he’d be the first one gone.


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I remember you didn't like Smith from the start. You always were uncertain from him fully recovering from that knee injury. Looks like you were right all of long. And 18 years later our LB crew is still total crap. Defense is still crap. Coaching is still crap. Owner and front office is crap. Elliot has proven he is crap with no awesome OL anymore. I'm not sure what to do anymore when you keep replacing crap contracts and crap players with more crap players and contracts.

The OL should be better next year with everyone coming back from injury. And unless they land Trevor Lawrence in the draft I expect they will resign Dak.

So like you the issue is still on the defensive side. They have a couple of good young DT (Gallimore and Hill) and they will still be loaded with pass rushers. Hopefully LVE can stay healthy. In my opinion their two biggest issues are DC and the secondary. If they resign Dak they can use the 1st round pick on Patrick Surtain. Also Diggs should be back so the CB’s would be set. I expect they will also draft a safety pretty high in the draft.

Before all that is done through they need to figure who’s going to coach the defense and are they going to run a 3-4 or 4-3.


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Post#371 » by bluejerseyjinx » Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:25 pm

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Mr B wrote:For me it’s Jaylon himself. To me he epitomizes what is wrong with this team. He’s a “me first” player. When you watch him he’s out there celebrating even when his team is getting their ass handed to them. He’s fine though because he got his numbers. He also has trouble cutting on the leg he had issues with and to me seems like he has one of the lowest football IQ’s on the team. No situational awareness. If it were my team he’d be the first one gone.


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I remember you didn't like Smith from the start. You always were uncertain from him fully recovering from that knee injury. Looks like you were right all of long. And 18 years later our LB crew is still total crap. Defense is still crap. Coaching is still crap. Owner and front office is crap. Elliot has proven he is crap with no awesome OL anymore. I'm not sure what to do anymore when you keep replacing crap contracts and crap players with more crap players and contracts.

The OL should be better next year with everyone coming back from injury. And unless they land Trevor Lawrence in the draft I expect they will resign Dak.

So like you the issue is still on the defensive side. They have a couple of good young DT (Gallimore and Hill) and they will still be loaded with pass rushers. Hopefully LVE can stay healthy. In my opinion their two biggest issues are DC and the secondary. If they resign Dak they can use the 1st round pick on Patrick Surtain. Also Diggs should be back so the CB’s would be set. I expect they will also draft a safety pretty high in the draft.

Before all that is done through they need to figure who’s going to coach the defense and are they going to run a 3-4 or 4-3.

I think I totally agree with everything you just posted. Despite all of our issues and problems, I am most disappointed in the DL this year. They suck. They just plain suck and I wouldn't give any of them a **** mop job. You know who else sucks, Elliot. Without a premium OL, he just plain sucks and is a horrible receiver out of the backfield. I don't even want to burn him out like you mentioned last year. That molly snorting, nose ring party animal that sounds like an uneducated 5th grader in an interview deserves to be on a crappy team like the Jets the rest of his career. Another words, he **** sucks. No hype train from me when it comes to Elliot. Send him to jail, a flop house, anywhere. Just get him out of Dallas. He sucks and is a cancer. If they go to a 3-4 defense, I hope they lose every game next season.
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Post#372 » by Cactus Jack » Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:01 pm

bluejerseyjinx wrote:I think I totally agree with everything you just posted. Despite all of our issues and problems, I am most disappointed in the DL this year. They suck. They just plain suck and I wouldn't give any of them a **** mop job. You know who else sucks, Elliot. Without a premium OL, he just plain sucks and is a horrible receiver out of the backfield. I don't even want to burn him out like you mentioned last year. That molly snorting, nose ring party animal that sounds like an uneducated 5th grader in an interview deserves to be on a crappy team like the Jets the rest of his career. Another words, he **** sucks. No hype train from me when it comes to Elliot. Send him to jail, a flop house, anywhere. Just get him out of Dallas. He sucks and is a cancer. If they go to a 3-4 defense, I hope they lose every game next season.

This is why you don't take a RB early in the draft (1st round). Because a running game is predicated on blocking. The Cowboys originally got it right when they drafted early O-line (Smith, Martin, Frederick). Dallas could literally plug in any RB & they would find success (DeMarco Murray). You can also find gems later in the draft. Kamara (3rd round), Aaron Jones (5th round), Carson (7th round).

Just look at Saquon. The most hyped back to come out. But the Giants continue to be terrible with a piss poor line & due to that he's injured all the time.

If you don't have a half way decent line, it doesn't matter who's back there.

As far as the Dline, outside of DeMarcus Lawrence, they don't really have any big name guys. Aldon Smith was out of the league for 5 years & is past the age of 30. So, he's kind of exceeded expectations. But for the most part no one really stands out.

LB's: Jaylon Smith is terrible in coverage. He's not starting material on a good team. LVE is good. But he's always hurt. Sean Lee should be coaching.
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Post#373 » by bluejerseyjinx » Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:51 am

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Mr. B, you know I have been screaming for defense for 6 years now. Especially DT and LB. In this case, I start by either trading or getting rid of both Elliot and Cooper and those over priced contracts. I haven't made up my mind yet on what to do with Dak. I rebuild the OL and DL and find another RB. If we don't keep Dak, we will all have a different approach on priorities.

Drop McCarthy & clean house. Admit you made a mistake. Then Tag Dak but target a QB in the draft. If you draft one, then you can shop Dak around. Plenty of teams will want him.

McCarthy needs to be held accountable for Nolan. :thumbsup:
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Post#374 » by Cactus Jack » Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:08 am

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bluejerseyjinx wrote:Mr. B, you know I have been screaming for defense for 6 years now. Especially DT and LB. In this case, I start by either trading or getting rid of both Elliot and Cooper and those over priced contracts. I haven't made up my mind yet on what to do with Dak. I rebuild the OL and DL and find another RB. If we don't keep Dak, we will all have a different approach on priorities.

Drop McCarthy & clean house. Admit you made a mistake. Then Tag Dak but target a QB in the draft. If you draft one, then you can shop Dak around. Plenty of teams will want him.

McCarthy needs to be held accountable for Nolan. :thumbsup:

He should be held accountable for himself.
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Post#375 » by Mr B » Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:28 am

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Cactus Jack wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:Mr. B, you know I have been screaming for defense for 6 years now. Especially DT and LB. In this case, I start by either trading or getting rid of both Elliot and Cooper and those over priced contracts. I haven't made up my mind yet on what to do with Dak. I rebuild the OL and DL and find another RB. If we don't keep Dak, we will all have a different approach on priorities.

Drop McCarthy & clean house. Admit you made a mistake. Then Tag Dak but target a QB in the draft. If you draft one, then you can shop Dak around. Plenty of teams will want him.

McCarthy needs to be held accountable for Nolan. :thumbsup:

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bluejerseyjinx wrote:Mr. B, you know I have been screaming for defense for 6 years now. Especially DT and LB. In this case, I start by either trading or getting rid of both Elliot and Cooper and those over priced contracts. I haven't made up my mind yet on what to do with Dak. I rebuild the OL and DL and find another RB. If we don't keep Dak, we will all have a different approach on priorities.

Drop McCarthy & clean house. Admit you made a mistake. Then Tag Dak but target a QB in the draft. If you draft one, then you can shop Dak around. Plenty of teams will want him.

McCarthy needs to be held accountable for Nolan. :thumbsup:

Yea that’s not going to happen. Because of Covid And the injuries MM will get a 100% pass.


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Post#376 » by bluejerseyjinx » Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:54 pm

I guess we can expect more of the same next year and that is why I am not emotionally attached anymore.
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Post#377 » by Mr B » Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:15 pm

bluejerseyjinx wrote:I guess we can expect more of the same next year and that is why I am not emotionally attached anymore.

More or less it will just more of the same while Jerry is still alive.

That doesn’t mean the team can’t/won’t be better next year. That’s just going to depend on what they do with the defense.


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