2023 NFL Draft: Dallas Cowboys

bluejerseyjinx · Post #161 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Tue Mar 7, 2023 5:35 pm

I rate Dak with Baker Mayfield to get under your skin and for no other reason. You boy sucks so get over it. Dak performs about as well as Cousins and Mayfield in big games so I thought would group him in with them. Its also another way of keeping myself entertained when I am bored. Just think, everytime Dak chokes and fu.ks up next year I'll be there to tell ya I told you so.
I don't currently have a top 20 list but I do have a top 12 list and your Boy Dak is not in it.

Post #162 » by **Cactus Jack** » Tue Mar 7, 2023 5:46 pm

Sounds like Bjj is scouting QB's...

Mr B · Post #163 » by **Mr B** » Tue Mar 7, 2023 6:00 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:
Mr B wrote:What would you guys think about TE Dalton Kincaid at pick 26? They have Ferguson and Hendershot who both look pretty solid but they will be losing Dalton Schultz. Several times last season they went with a 2 or 3 TE set and either motioned them out to the slot or just used them as extra blockers. If MM is going to call the plays now I’d expect to see a lot more screens this year and having two or three TE’s that are good receivers could really help. I can’t say I’d be opposed to drafting a highly talented TE at 26.

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For some reason TE hasn't even been on my mind. It is really devastating to lose Schultz, he was literally the team's 2nd best receiver behind Lamb.

Without Schultz TE is arguably the team's biggest need. I wonder if we can fill this gap in free agency so that we don't have to waste our 1st rd pick on it.

There are a couple of TE’s on the market. Brate wouldn’t be a bad pickup. None of the guys available are anything special. Kincaid is a guy that could be special. He’s a better receiver than Schultz and is really good after the catch. He has potential to be one of the better TE’s in the league based on his video.

Micah Prescott · Post #164 » by **Micah Prescott** » Tue Mar 7, 2023 6:41 pm

-TE
-WR
-DT
-CB
-LB

I feel like two of these need to be addressed via FA, and then the rest need to be addressed via draft.

We also have to address backup-QB. Tons of FA options there, or we could draft one.

Mr B · Post #165 » by **Mr B** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 12:42 am

Something to consider. The Cowboys are trying give Dak an extension. He’s signed through 2025 and I think they’d like to extend him to 2027. If they can’t get that done though and they don’t want to have to end up paying Dak $70M per in 2025 then they have to draft a QB this year. If Dak says he’d rather wait for the big money in 2025 instead of the extension then they better have someone ready to take over.

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bluejerseyjinx · Post #166 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 2:20 pm

Mr B wrote:Something to consider. The Cowboys are trying give Dak an extension. He’s signed through 2025 and I think they’d like to extend him to 2027. If they can’t get that done though and they don’t want to have to end up paying Dak $70M per in 2025 then they have to draft a QB this year. If Dak says he’d rather wait for the big money in 2025 instead of the extension then they better have someone ready to take over.

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Cowboys want to give an extendtion to dumbass Dak because they want to free up some cap space for this year. All this does is push a huge cap hit down the road farther and I don't believe any of us in here except one poster, want Dak back here beyond 2024. I think its a horrible move by Jerry, but when has Jerry ever been smart about giving out contracts. Bite the bullet this season so we can get rid of him at the end of next season if we have to. You never know what may develop in the QB world by then. Plus we don't need Dak in here the next 4 years blowing games and losing first round playoff games the next 4 years. its a slap in the face to the other guys on the team. Don't understand why the Cowboys want to hold on to their weakest link on the team. :crazy:

Mr B · Post #167 » by **Mr B** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 4:24 pm

bluejerseyjinx wrote:
Mr B wrote:Something to consider. The Cowboys are trying give Dak an extension. He’s signed through 2025 and I think they’d like to extend him to 2027. If they can’t get that done though and they don’t want to have to end up paying Dak $70M per in 2025 then they have to draft a QB this year. If Dak says he’d rather wait for the big money in 2025 instead of the extension then they better have someone ready to take over.

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Cowboys want to give an extendtion to dumbass Dak because they want to free up some cap space for this year. All this does is push a huge cap hit down the road farther And I don't believe any of us in here except one poster, want Dak back here beyond 2024. I think its a horrible move by, Jerry but when has Jerry ever been smart about giving out contracts. Bite the bullet this season so we can get rid of him at the end of next season if we have to. You never know what may develop in the QB world by then. Plus we don't need Dak in here the next 4 years blowing games and losing first round playoff games the next 4 years. its a slap in the face to the other guys on the team. Don't understand why the Cowboys want to hold on to their weakest link on the team.

You’re on record saying you don’t like any of the QB’s in this draft. You are also on record as saying you want Dak gone as soon as possible, preferably after next season. So if you don’t want to draft a QB and you don’t want Dak here, what are you anticipating the Cowboys do at QB? I mean they have to have a QB, you can’t play games without one. What would be your plan?

Micah Prescott · Post #168 » by **Micah Prescott** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 5:13 pm

I think there are a lot of variables to an extension that can make it a good or bad deal. I like Dak as you know but under certain terms I would not want to lock up on him for THAT long. If there is a decent exit strategy in the contract and it frees us up to sign some big names now? I'm for it. If the front office locks into Dak but STILL does not make a push in signings and trades, I am against. Guaranteed money matters a lot with it.

If they do extend him, I think that is a clear sign they are pushing this coming season, which is what I want. We have a "good" roster in place, it's time to bring in Hopkins, Ramsey, whoever else and just go for the gusto.

Post #169 » by **Cactus Jack** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 5:32 pm

Mr B wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:Cowboys want to give an extendtion to dumbass Dak because they want to free up some cap space for this year. All this does is push a huge cap hit down the road farther And I don't believe any of us in here except one poster, want Dak back here beyond 2024. I think its a horrible move by, Jerry but when has Jerry ever been smart about giving out contracts. Bite the bullet this season so we can get rid of him at the end of next season if we have to. You never know what may develop in the QB world by then. Plus we don't need Dak in here the next 4 years blowing games and losing first round playoff games the next 4 years. its a slap in the face to the other guys on the team. Don't understand why the Cowboys want to hold on to their weakest link on the team.

You’re on record saying you don’t like any of the QB’s in this draft. You are also on record as saying you want Dak gone as soon as possible, preferably after next season. So if you don’t want to draft a QB and you don’t want Dak here, what are you anticipating the Cowboys do at QB? I mean they have to have a QB, you can’t play games without one. What would be your plan?

Sign Staubach.

Micah Prescott · Post #170 » by **Micah Prescott** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 5:33 pm

Mr B wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:
Mr B wrote:Something to consider. The Cowboys are trying give Dak an extension. He’s signed through 2025 and I think they’d like to extend him to 2027. If they can’t get that done though and they don’t want to have to end up paying Dak $70M per in 2025 then they have to draft a QB this year. If Dak says he’d rather wait for the big money in 2025 instead of the extension then they better have someone ready to take over.

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Cowboys want to give an extendtion to dumbass Dak because they want to free up some cap space for this year. All this does is push a huge cap hit down the road farther And I don't believe any of us in here except one poster, want Dak back here beyond 2024. I think its a horrible move by, Jerry but when has Jerry ever been smart about giving out contracts. Bite the bullet this season so we can get rid of him at the end of next season if we have to. You never know what may develop in the QB world by then. Plus we don't need Dak in here the next 4 years blowing games and losing first round playoff games the next 4 years. its a slap in the face to the other guys on the team. Don't understand why the Cowboys want to hold on to their weakest link on the team.

You’re on record saying you don’t like any of the QB’s in this draft. You are also on record as saying you want Dak gone as soon as possible, preferably after next season. So if you don’t want to draft a QB and you don’t want Dak here, what are you anticipating the Cowboys do at QB? I mean they have to have a QB, you can’t play games without one. What would be your plan?

He has no plan, all he knows is that Dak is dumb. Reality is that upgrading the QB spot in the short term is extremely difficult. Even if Dak had no contract and didn't exist we would probably be looking at giving Lamar Jackson $200m and that is arguably a much worse situation than we are in now.

Mr B · Post #171 » by **Mr B** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 6:33 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:I think there are a lot of variables to an extension that can make it a good or bad deal. I like Dak as you know but under certain terms I would not want to lock up on him for THAT long. If there is a decent exit strategy in the contract and it frees us up to sign some big names now? I'm for it. If the front office locks into Dak but STILL does not make a push in signings and trades, I am against. Guaranteed money matters a lot with it.

If they do extend him, I think that is a clear sign they are pushing this coming season, which is what I want. We have a "good" roster in place, it's time to bring in Hopkins, Ramsey, whoever else and just go for the gusto.

I wouldn’t rule out a trade but I’m not holding my breath when it comes to signing other team’s free agents. They’re not going to do it. Stephen will not approve spending big free agent money to bring a guy in from another team. So don’t get your hopes up on that. Stephen has a death grip on Jerry’s wallet.

Mr B · Post #172 » by **Mr B** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 6:42 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:
Mr B wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:Cowboys want to give an extendtion to dumbass Dak because they want to free up some cap space for this year. All this does is push a huge cap hit down the road farther And I don't believe any of us in here except one poster, want Dak back here beyond 2024. I think its a horrible move by, Jerry but when has Jerry ever been smart about giving out contracts. Bite the bullet this season so we can get rid of him at the end of next season if we have to. You never know what may develop in the QB world by then. Plus we don't need Dak in here the next 4 years blowing games and losing first round playoff games the next 4 years. its a slap in the face to the other guys on the team. Don't understand why the Cowboys want to hold on to their weakest link on the team.

You’re on record saying you don’t like any of the QB’s in this draft. You are also on record as saying you want Dak gone as soon as possible, preferably after next season. So if you don’t want to draft a QB and you don’t want Dak here, what are you anticipating the Cowboys do at QB? I mean they have to have a QB, you can’t play games without one. What would be your plan?

He has no plan, all he knows is that Dak is dumb. Reality is that upgrading the QB spot in the short term is extremely difficult. Even if Dak had no contract and didn't exist we would probably be looking at giving Lamar Jackson $200m and that is arguably a much worse situation than we are in now.

I think if your window for Dak is 2 years then they should bring in a QB to groom right now. Let the kid sit and learn for 2 seasons and then when it’s time to pay Dak again you let him walk and let the young guy take over. We all know QB’s are hard to find but that’s why you put your faith in the guy drafting for you. In this case it’s Will McClay. Would you trust him to find a QB? I won’t give him credit for Dak because they backed in to that one. Other than that he’s been great at drafting. He missed big time on Taco Charlton too though.

It wouldn’t be smart to pass on Dak (because of the money) just to give that money to Jackson. You’d be in a deeper whole with a guy that likely isn’t going to give you more than Dak could.

Young and cheap is the best way to go. MM fancies himself a QB guru, well time to earn your money.

bluejerseyjinx · Post #173 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 8:30 pm

Mr B wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:
Mr B wrote:Something to consider. The Cowboys are trying give Dak an extension. He’s signed through 2025 and I think they’d like to extend him to 2027. If they can’t get that done though and they don’t want to have to end up paying Dak $70M per in 2025 then they have to draft a QB this year. If Dak says he’d rather wait for the big money in 2025 instead of the extension then they better have someone ready to take over.

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Cowboys want to give an extendtion to dumbass Dak because they want to free up some cap space for this year. All this does is push a huge cap hit down the road farther And I don't believe any of us in here except one poster, want Dak back here beyond 2024. I think its a horrible move by, Jerry but when has Jerry ever been smart about giving out contracts. Bite the bullet this season so we can get rid of him at the end of next season if we have to. You never know what may develop in the QB world by then. Plus we don't need Dak in here the next 4 years blowing games and losing first round playoff games the next 4 years. its a slap in the face to the other guys on the team. Don't understand why the Cowboys want to hold on to their weakest link on the team.

You’re on record saying you don’t like any of the QB’s in this draft. You are also on record as saying you want Dak gone as soon as possible, preferably after next season. So if you don’t want to draft a QB and you don’t want Dak here, what are you anticipating the Cowboys do at QB? I mean they have to have a QB, you can’t play games without one. What would be your plan?

At the moment I'd rather wait to draft one in next years draft. If we do that and Dak stinks up the joint again next season we can always get a veteran bridge QB for a very short time. You never know what may fall into our lap by the end of next season. Things might not work out for Rodgers wherever he goes. He also might be another option by then. I don't think Rodgers will retire till he gets another Super Bowl somewhere.

Micah Prescott · Post #174 » by **Micah Prescott** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 8:39 pm

Mr B wrote:
Micah Prescott wrote:
Mr B wrote:You’re on record saying you don’t like any of the QB’s in this draft. You are also on record as saying you want Dak gone as soon as possible, preferably after next season. So if you don’t want to draft a QB and you don’t want Dak here, what are you anticipating the Cowboys do at QB? I mean they have to have a QB, you can’t play games without one. What would be your plan?

He has no plan, all he knows is that Dak is dumb. Reality is that upgrading the QB spot in the short term is extremely difficult. Even if Dak had no contract and didn't exist we would probably be looking at giving Lamar Jackson $200m and that is arguably a much worse situation than we are in now.

I think if your window for Dak is 2 years then they should bring in a QB to groom right now. Let the kid sit and learn for 2 seasons and then when it’s time to pay Dak again you let him walk and let the young guy take over. We all know QB’s are hard to find but that’s why you put your faith in the guy drafting for you. In this case it’s Will McClay. Would you trust him to find a QB? I won’t give him credit for Dak because they backed in to that one. Other than that he’s been great at drafting. He missed big time on Taco Charlton too though.

It wouldn’t be smart to pass on Dak (because of the money) just to give that money to Jackson. You’d be in a deeper whole with a guy that likely isn’t going to give you more than Dak could.

Young and cheap is the best way to go. MM fancies himself a QB guru, well time to earn your money.

Yeah this is basically what I've been saying in here. Give it one last ALL IN right now with Dak and McCarthy, and then hit the reset button with a new young QB and coach. They can draft that QB right now as a backup to prep for it.

Might as well mortgage that future when the QB is young and you are unlikely to win a ring anyway. They need to just put everything into the 2023 season and go with what have assembled thus far, and then we can start over after that.

Mr B · Post #175 » by **Mr B** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 11:03 pm

Comp picks. Dallas got two 5th rounders and a 6th round pick.

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bluejerseyjinx · Post #176 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:05 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:Sounds like Bjj is scouting QB's...

The only 2 QB's I liked a little in this draft you shot down in a PM.

Post #177 » by **Cactus Jack** » Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:08 pm

bluejerseyjinx wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:Sounds like Bjj is scouting QB's...

The only 2 QB's I liked a little in this draft you shot down in a PM.

Who again? Hooker and?

bluejerseyjinx · Post #178 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:10 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:Sounds like Bjj is scouting QB's...

The only 2 QB's I liked a little in this draft you shot down in a PM.

Who again? Hooker and?

The kid from Kentucky, Levi. You convinced me he wasn't worth taking based on the information you aquired.

Post #179 » by **Cactus Jack** » Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:13 pm

bluejerseyjinx wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:The only 2 QB's I liked a little in this draft you shot down in a PM.

Who again? Hooker and?

The kid from Kentucky, Levi. You convinced me he wasn't worth taking based on the information you aquired.

Yeah, Levis is the most overrated prospect in this draft.

I actually like Hooker. But I wouldn't take him before Round 2.

I can already see the headlines in the local Dallas media: "Jerry lands Hooker!" :wink:

bluejerseyjinx · Post #180 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:24 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:Who again? Hooker and?

The kid from Kentucky, Levi. You convinced me he wasn't worth taking based on the information you aquired.

Yeah, Levis is the most overrated prospect in this draft.

I actually like Hooker. But I wouldn't take him before Round 2.

I can already see the headlines in the local Dallas media: "Jerry lands Hooker!"

I like Hooker better than Dak. :gossip: