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Post#381 » by bluejerseyjinx » Mon Mar 1, 2021 6:15 pm

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bluejerseyjinx wrote:Lets see, We still have Jerry, the front office and culture is still a mess, coaching staff is poor at best and Dak still isn't signed. Wonder if he will go after D.Watson?

No, I doubt we go after Watson. I think there is a better chance of going after Russell Wilson.


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Just saw the reports that came out over the weekend. Jerry is druelling and foaming at the mouth right about now, and probably close to an orgasm with just the thought of being able to get a Watson or Wilson out of the deal. To be honest, I'd rather have Wilson's contract going forward than have to figure things out after next year is over if Dak is franchised and then up for 54 million in 2022.
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Post#382 » by Cactus Jack » Mon Mar 1, 2021 6:17 pm

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bluejerseyjinx wrote:Lets see, We still have Jerry, the front office and culture is still a mess, coaching staff is poor at best and Dak still isn't signed. Wonder if he will go after D.Watson?

No, I doubt we go after Watson. I think there is a better chance of going after Russell Wilson.


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Just saw the reports that came out over the weekend. Jerry is druelling and foaming at the mouth right about now, and probably close to an orgasm with just the thought of being able to get a Watson or Wilson out of the deal. To be honest, I'd rather have Wilson's contract going forward than have to figure things out after next year is over if Dak is franchised and then up for 54 million in 2022.

So, do we get Watson in this scenario?
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Post#383 » by bluejerseyjinx » Mon Mar 1, 2021 6:22 pm

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Mr B wrote:No, I doubt we go after Watson. I think there is a better chance of going after Russell Wilson.


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Just saw the reports that came out over the weekend. Jerry is druelling and foaming at the mouth right about now, and probably close to an orgasm with just the thought of being able to get a Watson or Wilson out of the deal. To be honest, I'd rather have Wilson's contract going forward than have to figure things out after next year is over if Dak is franchised and then up for 54 million in 2022.

So, do we get Watson in this scenario?

I don't think any of us know what it will take to get Watson. Houston hasn't been taking any offers but the pressure they are now getting tells me that is about to change. If I'm Jerry I start out by asking Houston for Watson in return for Dak, Zeke and 1 first round pick and see where it goes from there. I guess Wilson now wants out of Seattle bad now. He's not at all a bad second option. With the Cowboy marketing machine, Wilson will be as big as he wants to be !!!!!
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Post#384 » by Mr B » Mon Mar 1, 2021 6:27 pm

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Mr B wrote:No, I doubt we go after Watson. I think there is a better chance of going after Russell Wilson.


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Just saw the reports that came out over the weekend. Jerry is druelling and foaming at the mouth right about now, and probably close to an orgasm with just the thought of being able to get a Watson or Wilson out of the deal. To be honest, I'd rather have Wilson's contract going forward than have to figure things out after next year is over if Dak is franchised and then up for 54 million in 2022.

So, do we get Watson in this scenario?

Not likely. The price is really high for Watson (three 1st round picks). The Texans have no interest in Dak. The only reason we MIGHT have a chance at Wilson is because his agent publicly named the Cowboys as one of the teams Wilson would agree to be traded to (he has a no trade clause). Also Pete Carroll prefers a bus driver type QB and a strong running game. That’s Dak and Cowboys might be willing throw in Zeke in the deal. That would lessen the price for Wilson. Instead of three 1sts, it might only take one 1sts and a couple lower picks. Then again they might still want two 1sts from Dallas.

The main hold up with that trade is can the Seahawks clear enough cap space. They will take a $39M cap hit if they trade him. However if they trade him after June 1st they can split that cap hit between this season and next season.

I expect the Cowboys will franchise Dak and continue about their business. If after June 1st the Seahawks want to talk trade the Cowboys will listen. The bright side of that is we would still get to keep this year’s draft picks.


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Post#385 » by Mr B » Mon Mar 1, 2021 6:29 pm

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bluejerseyjinx wrote:Just saw the reports that came out over the weekend. Jerry is druelling and foaming at the mouth right about now, and probably close to an orgasm with just the thought of being able to get a Watson or Wilson out of the deal. To be honest, I'd rather have Wilson's contract going forward than have to figure things out after next year is over if Dak is franchised and then up for 54 million in 2022.

So, do we get Watson in this scenario?

I don't think any of us know what it will take to get Watson. Houston hasn't been taking any offers but the pressure they are now getting tells me that is about to change. If I'm Jerry I start out by asking Houston for Watson in return for Dak, Zeke and 1 first round pick and see where it goes from there. I guess Wilson now wants out of Seattle bad now. He's not at all a bad second option. With the Cowboy marketing machine, Wilson will be as big as he wants to be !!!!!

Wilson is a top 5 QB in the NFL right now. Just adding him to this team should guarantee 10 wins.


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Post#386 » by bluejerseyjinx » Mon Mar 1, 2021 6:30 pm

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bluejerseyjinx wrote:Just saw the reports that came out over the weekend. Jerry is druelling and foaming at the mouth right about now, and probably close to an orgasm with just the thought of being able to get a Watson or Wilson out of the deal. To be honest, I'd rather have Wilson's contract going forward than have to figure things out after next year is over if Dak is franchised and then up for 54 million in 2022.

So, do we get Watson in this scenario?

Not likely. The price is really high for Watson (three 1st round picks). The Texans have no interest in Dak. The only reason we MIGHT have a chance at Wilson is because his agent publicly named the Cowboys as one of the teams Wilson would agree to be traded to (he has a no trade clause). Also Pete Carroll prefers a bus driver type QB and a strong running game. That’s Dak and Cowboys might be willing throw in Zeke in the deal. That would lessen the price for Wilson. Instead of three 1sts, it might only take one 1sts and a couple lower picks. Then again they might still want two 1sts from Dallas.

The main hold up with that trade is can the Seahawks clear enough cap space. They will take a $39M cap hit if they trade him. However if they trade him after June 1st they can split that cap hit between this season and next season.

I expect the Cowboys will franchise Dak and continue about their business. If after June 1st the Seahawks want to talk trade the Cowboys will listen. The bright side of that is we would still get to keep this year’s draft picks.


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Sounds like a plan. Hopefully you are right. I think I agree with this approach.
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Post#387 » by bluejerseyjinx » Mon Mar 1, 2021 6:32 pm

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bluejerseyjinx wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:So, do we get Watson in this scenario?

I don't think any of us know what it will take to get Watson. Houston hasn't been taking any offers but the pressure they are now getting tells me that is about to change. If I'm Jerry I start out by asking Houston for Watson in return for Dak, Zeke and 1 first round pick and see where it goes from there. I guess Wilson now wants out of Seattle bad now. He's not at all a bad second option. With the Cowboy marketing machine, Wilson will be as big as he wants to be !!!!!

Wilson is a top 5 QB in the NFL right now. Just adding him to this team should guarantee 10 wins.


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But we still have Jerry as the common denominator to make sure things get all screwed up.
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Post#388 » by Cactus Jack » Mon Mar 1, 2021 7:03 pm

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Cactus Jack wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:Just saw the reports that came out over the weekend. Jerry is druelling and foaming at the mouth right about now, and probably close to an orgasm with just the thought of being able to get a Watson or Wilson out of the deal. To be honest, I'd rather have Wilson's contract going forward than have to figure things out after next year is over if Dak is franchised and then up for 54 million in 2022.

So, do we get Watson in this scenario?

Not likely. The price is really high for Watson (three 1st round picks). The Texans have no interest in Dak. The only reason we MIGHT have a chance at Wilson is because his agent publicly named the Cowboys as one of the teams Wilson would agree to be traded to (he has a no trade clause). Also Pete Carroll prefers a bus driver type QB and a strong running game. That’s Dak and Cowboys might be willing throw in Zeke in the deal. That would lessen the price for Wilson. Instead of three 1sts, it might only take one 1sts and a couple lower picks. Then again they might still want two 1sts from Dallas.

The main hold up with that trade is can the Seahawks clear enough cap space. They will take a $39M cap hit if they trade him. However if they trade him after June 1st they can split that cap hit between this season and next season.

I expect the Cowboys will franchise Dak and continue about their business. If after June 1st the Seahawks want to talk trade the Cowboys will listen. The bright side of that is we would still get to keep this year’s draft picks.


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I am very aware of the cap ramifications lol.

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense for the Hawks to move Wilson without getting Watson or another good QB in his place.

I like Dak, but his injury scares me a little. Which is why I'd be hesitant to pull the trigger on a Wilson for Dak swap. Watson is the one guy (who's available), that I would have no hesitation moving Wilson. As good as he is/can be, Russ still has his shortcomings.

I don't see Dallas ultimately as a fit. Dak will stay.

If Wilson is ultimately moved, it will be one of these other teams (Raiders, Bears) with either Watson or another QB (Carr) headed to Seattle. Carroll is 70 years old. He's not looking to start over (rebuild) with a rookie/young QB. It won't happen.
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Post#389 » by Mr B » Mon Mar 1, 2021 11:36 pm

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Mr B wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:I don't think any of us know what it will take to get Watson. Houston hasn't been taking any offers but the pressure they are now getting tells me that is about to change. If I'm Jerry I start out by asking Houston for Watson in return for Dak, Zeke and 1 first round pick and see where it goes from there. I guess Wilson now wants out of Seattle bad now. He's not at all a bad second option. With the Cowboy marketing machine, Wilson will be as big as he wants to be !!!!!

Wilson is a top 5 QB in the NFL right now. Just adding him to this team should guarantee 10 wins.


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But we still have Jerry as the common denominator to make sure things get all screwed up.

We will have that handicap for a while I’m afraid.


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Re: State of Cowboys Union? 

Post#390 » by Mr B » Mon Mar 1, 2021 11:41 pm

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Cactus Jack wrote:So, do we get Watson in this scenario?

Not likely. The price is really high for Watson (three 1st round picks). The Texans have no interest in Dak. The only reason we MIGHT have a chance at Wilson is because his agent publicly named the Cowboys as one of the teams Wilson would agree to be traded to (he has a no trade clause). Also Pete Carroll prefers a bus driver type QB and a strong running game. That’s Dak and Cowboys might be willing throw in Zeke in the deal. That would lessen the price for Wilson. Instead of three 1sts, it might only take one 1sts and a couple lower picks. Then again they might still want two 1sts from Dallas.

The main hold up with that trade is can the Seahawks clear enough cap space. They will take a $39M cap hit if they trade him. However if they trade him after June 1st they can split that cap hit between this season and next season.

I expect the Cowboys will franchise Dak and continue about their business. If after June 1st the Seahawks want to talk trade the Cowboys will listen. The bright side of that is we would still get to keep this year’s draft picks.


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I am very aware of the cap ramifications lol.

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense for the Hawks to move Wilson without getting Watson or another good QB in his place.

I like Dak, but his injury scares me a little. Which is why I'd be hesitant to pull the trigger on a Wilson for Dak swap. Watson is the one guy (who's available), that I would have no hesitation moving Wilson. As good as he is/can be, Russ still has his shortcomings.

I don't see Dallas ultimately as a fit. Dak will stay.

If Wilson is ultimately moved, it will be one of these other teams (Raiders, Bears) with either Watson or another QB (Carr) headed to Seattle. Carroll is 70 years old. He's not looking to start over (rebuild) with a rookie/young QB. It won't happen.

The only reason I think Dak fits in Seattle is because in spite of the injury he’s a highly rated young QB. Also Dak is not really outspoken like Wilson is. If Pete Carroll is looking for a young QB that will toe the company line it’s Dak. Other than that you’re probably right.

As for Dak and the Cowboys, they have about a week left to franchise him or work out a new contract. I’ve said this before, if Dak does play under the franchise tag this season, he will not be back in Dallas once this season is over with. Technically they can franchise him again but the cap number will be close to $50M to franchise him again. I don’t see them doing that.


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Post#391 » by Cactus Jack » Tue Mar 2, 2021 12:42 am

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Cactus Jack wrote:
Mr B wrote:Not likely. The price is really high for Watson (three 1st round picks). The Texans have no interest in Dak. The only reason we MIGHT have a chance at Wilson is because his agent publicly named the Cowboys as one of the teams Wilson would agree to be traded to (he has a no trade clause). Also Pete Carroll prefers a bus driver type QB and a strong running game. That’s Dak and Cowboys might be willing throw in Zeke in the deal. That would lessen the price for Wilson. Instead of three 1sts, it might only take one 1sts and a couple lower picks. Then again they might still want two 1sts from Dallas.

The main hold up with that trade is can the Seahawks clear enough cap space. They will take a $39M cap hit if they trade him. However if they trade him after June 1st they can split that cap hit between this season and next season.

I expect the Cowboys will franchise Dak and continue about their business. If after June 1st the Seahawks want to talk trade the Cowboys will listen. The bright side of that is we would still get to keep this year’s draft picks.


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I am very aware of the cap ramifications lol.

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense for the Hawks to move Wilson without getting Watson or another good QB in his place.

I like Dak, but his injury scares me a little. Which is why I'd be hesitant to pull the trigger on a Wilson for Dak swap. Watson is the one guy (who's available), that I would have no hesitation moving Wilson. As good as he is/can be, Russ still has his shortcomings.

I don't see Dallas ultimately as a fit. Dak will stay.

If Wilson is ultimately moved, it will be one of these other teams (Raiders, Bears) with either Watson or another QB (Carr) headed to Seattle. Carroll is 70 years old. He's not looking to start over (rebuild) with a rookie/young QB. It won't happen.

The only reason I think Dak fits in Seattle is because in spite of the injury he’s a highly rated young QB. Also Dak is not really outspoken like Wilson is. If Pete Carroll is looking for a young QB that will toe the company line it’s Dak. Other than that you’re probably right.

As for Dak and the Cowboys, they have about a week left to franchise him or work out a new contract. I’ve said this before, if Dak does play under the franchise tag this season, he will not be back in Dallas once this season is over with. Technically they can franchise him again but the cap number will be close to $50M to franchise him again. I don’t see them doing that.


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I agree that Dak would be a great fit here. He's very good. Top 10 QB. Great leader on/off the field. He's younger than Wilson. Which is also a plus for the team.

However, the one major roadblock to any deal, is Dak's asking price. If the reports are true that he wants closer to $40 million per year (from Dallas), that's an issue too. The Hawks have gone through similar type of negotiations with Wilson recently. Do they want to go through it again with Dak? Pay him north of $40m? I have my doubts.

Otherwise, I do really like Dak. I would take him. Like I said, he's very very good himself. A top 10 QB already with still room to grow. I think eventually he'll reach top 5 (elite status). Keep in mind, it took Wilson several years before he was considered "Elite". I don't think Dak is too far behind If I'm being honest. Imo he hasn't gotten enough credit. He's carried that team the last couple years.

Ultimately, I don't think Jerry & Company will want to part with Dak & draft capital to make it happen. They will stick with Dak this season.
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Post#392 » by Mr B » Tue Mar 2, 2021 2:54 am

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Mr B wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:I am very aware of the cap ramifications lol.

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense for the Hawks to move Wilson without getting Watson or another good QB in his place.

I like Dak, but his injury scares me a little. Which is why I'd be hesitant to pull the trigger on a Wilson for Dak swap. Watson is the one guy (who's available), that I would have no hesitation moving Wilson. As good as he is/can be, Russ still has his shortcomings.

I don't see Dallas ultimately as a fit. Dak will stay.

If Wilson is ultimately moved, it will be one of these other teams (Raiders, Bears) with either Watson or another QB (Carr) headed to Seattle. Carroll is 70 years old. He's not looking to start over (rebuild) with a rookie/young QB. It won't happen.

The only reason I think Dak fits in Seattle is because in spite of the injury he’s a highly rated young QB. Also Dak is not really outspoken like Wilson is. If Pete Carroll is looking for a young QB that will toe the company line it’s Dak. Other than that you’re probably right.

As for Dak and the Cowboys, they have about a week left to franchise him or work out a new contract. I’ve said this before, if Dak does play under the franchise tag this season, he will not be back in Dallas once this season is over with. Technically they can franchise him again but the cap number will be close to $50M to franchise him again. I don’t see them doing that.


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I agree that Dak would be a great fit here. He's very good. Top 10 QB. Great leader on/off the field. He's younger than Wilson. Which is also a plus for the team.

However, the one major roadblock to any deal, is Dak's asking price. If the reports are true that he wants closer to $40 million per year (from Dallas), that's an issue too. The Hawks have gone through similar type of negotiations with Wilson recently. Do they want to go through it again with Dak? Pay him north of $40m? I have my doubts.

Otherwise, I do really like Dak. I would take him. Like I said, he's very very good himself. A top 10 QB already with still room to grow. I think eventually he'll reach top 5 (elite status). Keep in mind, it took Wilson several years before he was considered "Elite". I don't think Dak is too far behind If I'm being honest. Imo he hasn't gotten enough credit. He's carried that team the last couple years.

Ultimately, I don't think Jerry & Company will want to part with Dak & draft capital to make it happen. They will stick with Dak this season.

Dak’s agent put out that he’s predicting Dak will sign a 3 year $124M. That’s $41M per. There’s no way they can do that. Dak is still looking to be able to resigns new contract by the time he’s 30. Also, he’s wanting to be a free agent again when the new tv money to kick in.

I would love for Dak to be back but I just don’t see how they can sign him to that much. One of the best options the Cowboys have is to franchise Dak and then trade him. If I’m the Cowboys I’m probably also looking at drafting a QB.


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Post#393 » by bluejerseyjinx » Tue Mar 2, 2021 3:52 pm

What a mess Jerry has us in now. We need so much help on defense and depth at OL I can't see us addressing it all in one draft. And that's if we hit on everything. If we would have just signed Dak two years ago and not Elliot, we would be in a much better position today. I would have been more than comfortable getting rid of Elliot and going with Pollard last year and drafting another RB for the future and back up. This 24 million dollar cap hit we currently have with Elliot makes me scream for a 3am Dr.
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Post#394 » by Mr B » Tue Mar 2, 2021 5:07 pm

bluejerseyjinx wrote:What a mess Jerry has us in now. We need so much help on defense and depth at OL I can't us addressing it all in one draft. And that's if we hit on everything. If we would have just signed Dak two years ago and not Elliot, we would be in a much better position today. I would have been more than comfortable getting rid of Elliot and going with Pollard last year and drafting another RB for the future and back up. This 24 million dollar cap hit we currently have with Elliot makes me scream for a 3am Dr.

Stephen Jones has us in this mess too.


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Post#395 » by bluejerseyjinx » Tue Mar 2, 2021 6:01 pm

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Cactus Jack wrote:So, do we get Watson in this scenario?

Not likely. The price is really high for Watson (three 1st round picks). The Texans have no interest in Dak. The only reason we MIGHT have a chance at Wilson is because his agent publicly named the Cowboys as one of the teams Wilson would agree to be traded to (he has a no trade clause). Also Pete Carroll prefers a bus driver type QB and a strong running game. That’s Dak and Cowboys might be willing throw in Zeke in the deal. That would lessen the price for Wilson. Instead of three 1sts, it might only take one 1sts and a couple lower picks. Then again they might still want two 1sts from Dallas.

The main hold up with that trade is can the Seahawks clear enough cap space. They will take a $39M cap hit if they trade him. However if they trade him after June 1st they can split that cap hit between this season and next season.

I expect the Cowboys will franchise Dak and continue about their business. If after June 1st the Seahawks want to talk trade the Cowboys will listen. The bright side of that is we would still get to keep this year’s draft picks.


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I am very aware of the cap ramifications lol.

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense for the Hawks to move Wilson without getting Watson or another good QB in his place.

I like Dak, but his injury scares me a little. Which is why I'd be hesitant to pull the trigger on a Wilson for Dak swap. Watson is the one guy (who's available), that I would have no hesitation moving Wilson. As good as he is/can be, Russ still has his shortcomings.

I don't see Dallas ultimately as a fit. Dak will stay.

If Wilson is ultimately moved, it will be one of these other teams (Raiders, Bears) with either Watson or another QB (Carr) headed to Seattle. Carroll is 70 years old. He's not looking to start over (rebuild) with a rookie/young QB. It won't happen.

I can't see Wilson at all going to the Bears or Raiders. With no Allen Robinson in Chicago anymore, I can't see Russell going there to take the same beating he took in Seattle last year. Bears don't spend money of their QB's. Bears OL is absolutely horrible with a sub par running game. I also can't see Wilson going to the Raiders and having to deal with Mahomes twice a year for the remainder of his career. Raiders are young and still have a long way to go, especially on defense.
I could see Wilson going to New Orleans and Dallas However. But deep down, I really think he wants to stay in Seattle. I think he just wants some help and a little more say in things.
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Re: State of Cowboys Union? 

Post#396 » by Mr B » Tue Mar 2, 2021 6:12 pm

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Mr B wrote:Not likely. The price is really high for Watson (three 1st round picks). The Texans have no interest in Dak. The only reason we MIGHT have a chance at Wilson is because his agent publicly named the Cowboys as one of the teams Wilson would agree to be traded to (he has a no trade clause). Also Pete Carroll prefers a bus driver type QB and a strong running game. That’s Dak and Cowboys might be willing throw in Zeke in the deal. That would lessen the price for Wilson. Instead of three 1sts, it might only take one 1sts and a couple lower picks. Then again they might still want two 1sts from Dallas.

The main hold up with that trade is can the Seahawks clear enough cap space. They will take a $39M cap hit if they trade him. However if they trade him after June 1st they can split that cap hit between this season and next season.

I expect the Cowboys will franchise Dak and continue about their business. If after June 1st the Seahawks want to talk trade the Cowboys will listen. The bright side of that is we would still get to keep this year’s draft picks.


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I am very aware of the cap ramifications lol.

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense for the Hawks to move Wilson without getting Watson or another good QB in his place.

I like Dak, but his injury scares me a little. Which is why I'd be hesitant to pull the trigger on a Wilson for Dak swap. Watson is the one guy (who's available), that I would have no hesitation moving Wilson. As good as he is/can be, Russ still has his shortcomings.

I don't see Dallas ultimately as a fit. Dak will stay.

If Wilson is ultimately moved, it will be one of these other teams (Raiders, Bears) with either Watson or another QB (Carr) headed to Seattle. Carroll is 70 years old. He's not looking to start over (rebuild) with a rookie/young QB. It won't happen.

I can't see Wilson at all going to the Bears or Raiders. With no Allen Robinson in Chicago anymore, I can't see Russell going there to take the same beating he took in Seattle last year. Bears don't spend money of their QB's. Bears OL is absolutely horrible with a sub par running game. I also can't see Wilson going to the Raiders and having to deal with Mahomes twice a year for the remainder of his career. Raiders are young and still have a long way to go, especially on defense.
I could see Wilson going to New Orleans and Dallas However. But deep down, I really think he wants to stay in Seattle. I think he just wants some help and a little more say in things.

The problem with Wilson going to the Saints is they have zero cap room. I believe they are already over the cap by a lot (considering the cap is lowering this season). They would have to hit their entire team just to be able fit Wilson under the cap. As far as fit the Saints are the perfect team however they just can’t afford him.


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Post#397 » by Cactus Jack » Tue Mar 2, 2021 6:58 pm

bluejerseyjinx wrote:I can't see Wilson at all going to the Bears or Raiders. With no Allen Robinson in Chicago anymore, I can't see Russell going there to take the same beating he took in Seattle last year. Bears don't spend money of their QB's. Bears OL is absolutely horrible with a sub par running game. I also can't see Wilson going to the Raiders and having to deal with Mahomes twice a year for the remainder of his career. Raiders are young and still have a long way to go, especially on defense.
I could see Wilson going to New Orleans and Dallas However. But deep down, I really think he wants to stay in Seattle. I think he just wants some help and a little more say in things.

Jerry won't want to give up multiple picks & Dak to get it done. Plus, if Dallas can't reach a long-term deal with Dak, what makes you think we will want to pay him (40m?)? Dak isn't getting dealt without an agreement in place. If he's gonna hold out for more than $40m per year, then he's going to remain unsigned lol.

The Saints don't have a QB that the Hawks would want. So, it would have to involve another team (Watson).

The reason a team like the Bears is more likely is because they're desperate. So they'll pay whatever it would cost.
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Post#398 » by bluejerseyjinx » Wed Mar 3, 2021 2:38 pm

Are you claiming Jerry is smart? LMAO. Jerry hasn't done once in 18 years anything that resembles showing he has any football knowledge when it comes to drafting. Don't you remember a few years ago when he wanted to draft Johnny "the junkie" Manziel? For chemistry purposes alone, I'd prefer we get dak back for another year. But I'm telling ya, Jerry is foaming at the mouth and probably stoking his penis at the same time knowing he has a shot at Wilson or Watson. I can see all in Jerry selling the farm and putting us in a bad spot making a big time trade. Jerry has proven to me the past 4 years that he does not have faith in giving the keys to the car and that he is his guy despite Dak being the perfect role model QB.
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Post#399 » by Mr B » Wed Mar 3, 2021 5:56 pm

bluejerseyjinx wrote:Are you claiming Jerry is smart? LMAO. Jerry hasn't done once in 18 years anything that resembles showing he has any football knowledge when it comes to drafting. Don't you remember a few years ago when he wanted to draft Johnny "the junkie" Manziel? For chemistry purposes alone, I'd prefer we get dak back for another year. But I'm telling ya, Jerry is foaming at the mouth and probably stoking his penis at the same time knowing he has a shot at Wilson or Watson. I can see all in Jerry selling the farm and putting us in a bad spot making a big time trade. Jerry has proven to me the past 4 years that he does not have faith in giving the keys to the car and that he is his guy despite Dak being the perfect role model QB.

I could see Jerry doing that however I don’t see Stephen allowing him to do that, just like when Jerry wanted to draft Manziel. Jerry may still be the face of the franchise but Stephen really is the one that has the power now with the Cowboys.


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Post#400 » by Mr B » Wed Mar 3, 2021 6:04 pm

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bluejerseyjinx wrote:I can't see Wilson at all going to the Bears or Raiders. With no Allen Robinson in Chicago anymore, I can't see Russell going there to take the same beating he took in Seattle last year. Bears don't spend money of their QB's. Bears OL is absolutely horrible with a sub par running game. I also can't see Wilson going to the Raiders and having to deal with Mahomes twice a year for the remainder of his career. Raiders are young and still have a long way to go, especially on defense.
I could see Wilson going to New Orleans and Dallas However. But deep down, I really think he wants to stay in Seattle. I think he just wants some help and a little more say in things.

Jerry won't want to give up multiple picks & Dak to get it done. Plus, if Dallas can't reach a long-term deal with Dak, what makes you think we will want to pay him (40m?)? Dak isn't getting dealt without an agreement in place. If he's gonna hold out for more than $40m per year, then he's going to remain unsigned lol.

The Saints don't have a QB that the Hawks would want. So, it would have to involve another team (Watson).

The reason a team like the Bears is more likely is because they're desperate. So they'll pay whatever it would cost.

I agree the Bears are all in. Really when you think about it they are primed for a fleecing in a trade. I honestly do think they would give up the farm for Dak (or any other top 10 QB).

Like you said though, Dak has to agree to go to the Bears or any other team. He could just refuse to sign the tag meaning the Cowboys can’t trade him. So any trade would have to be to a team that Dak wants to go to and likely has agreed to pay him.

There are a couple of scenarios I could see playing out. First, I could see the Cowboys drafting a QB at 10. To me Mac Jones is the perfect QB to take at 10. Dak would be franchised so he either plays in Dallas (allowing Mac to sit for a year), or he’s traded after June 1st.

The other scenario is the Cowboys move along with a franchised Dak and then after June 1st the Seahawks trade Wilson to Dallas when the Cowboys hit is much less for them. By that point Dak will have to have made the decision to sign the tag or sit for the whole year. I don’t see him sitting for the whole season.

I would love to keep Dak as the QB just not at $41M per season. Especially not on a 3 year deal where you can’t push any of the money to the back end.


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