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Re: 2025 Cowboys Draft 

Post#41 » by Cactus Jack » Sun Apr 6, 2025 12:21 am

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Mr B wrote:Yea he’s not falling that far. I’d be just as happy with.. WR Tet McMillan.

If you want to be the Bengals 2.0, then go for it! :wink:

I just have a really hard time taking a receiver early unless he's an absolute game changer.

I still think building from the inside-out is the winning formula.

The Bengals have probably the best WR corps in the NFL. You’re right who wants that? Lol

In all seriousness the Cowboys NEED a legit #2 WR. I would personally prefer they trade down to around pick 20 and then draft a WR but by all accounts Tet should be a star WR. His “type” of WR should fit perfect opposite CeeDee. I still prefer Golden or Egbuka but Tet would do more than just fine.

Also I would prefer going OL with pick #12 but again they are in desperate need of a legit #2 WR. Round 2 and 3 picks should be spent on RB and DL, not necessarily in that order.

Having good receivers doesn't win games though. Teams that control the line of scrimmage typically advance the furthest. The Eagles are just the latest example.

The Bengals won just 9 games because the roster is poorly constructed. But I'm sure fans of the team are happy that they have the best WR duo in the league. :wink:
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Re: 2025 Cowboys Draft 

Post#42 » by Mr B » Sun Apr 6, 2025 2:50 am

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Cactus Jack wrote:If you want to be the Bengals 2.0, then go for it! :wink:

I just have a really hard time taking a receiver early unless he's an absolute game changer.

I still think building from the inside-out is the winning formula.

The Bengals have probably the best WR corps in the NFL. You’re right who wants that? Lol

In all seriousness the Cowboys NEED a legit #2 WR. I would personally prefer they trade down to around pick 20 and then draft a WR but by all accounts Tet should be a star WR. His “type” of WR should fit perfect opposite CeeDee. I still prefer Golden or Egbuka but Tet would do more than just fine.

Also I would prefer going OL with pick #12 but again they are in desperate need of a legit #2 WR. Round 2 and 3 picks should be spent on RB and DL, not necessarily in that order.

Having good receivers doesn't win games though. Teams that control the line of scrimmage typically advance the furthest. The Eagles are just the latest example.

The Bengals won just 9 games because the roster is poorly constructed. But I'm sure fans of the team are happy that they have the best WR duo in the league. :wink:

I agree, and I expect the Dallas OL to be better. The DL is more of a question because I’m not really sure what kind of defense Eberflus is going to run. They need to solve the DT problem but should be able to do that in round 2 or 3. There are several good DT’s that will be available.

No matter where they draft a WR I wouldn’t expect for him to be a big contributor in his rookie season. Usually it takes WR’s a year or 2 to develop. Having a guy like Drake London (most common comp for Tet) opposite CeeDee would be really nice.

Again I fully expect the OL and the running game to be fixed this season. They’ve had several seasons of having a mediocre OL and mediocre running game. With Brock Hoffman taking over full time for the corpse of Zack Martin and Beebe having a full year under his belt the middle of the Dallas OL could be dominant. Throw in a fresh young RB or two and the offense begins to look dynamic again (with Tet opposite CeeDee).
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Re: 2025 Cowboys Draft 

Post#43 » by Cactus Jack » Sun Apr 6, 2025 3:07 am

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Cactus Jack wrote:Having good receivers doesn't win games though. Teams that control the line of scrimmage typically advance the furthest. The Eagles are just the latest example.

The Bengals won just 9 games because the roster is poorly constructed. But I'm sure fans of the team are happy that they have the best WR duo in the league. :wink:

I agree, and I expect the Dallas OL to be better. The DL is more of a question because I’m not really sure what kind of defense Eberflus is going to run. They need to solve the DT problem but should be able to do that in round 2 or 3. There are several good DT’s that will be available.

No matter where they draft a WR I wouldn’t expect for him to be a big contributor in his rookie season. Usually it takes WR’s a year or 2 to develop. Having a guy like Drake London (most common comp for Tet) opposite CeeDee would be really nice.

Again I fully expect the OL and the running game to be fixed this season. They’ve had several seasons of having a mediocre OL and mediocre running game. With Brock Hoffman taking over full time for the corpse of Zack Martin and Beebe having a full year under his belt the middle of the Dallas OL could be dominant. Throw in a fresh young RB or two and the offense begins to look dynamic again (with Tet opposite CeeDee).

Hoffman has fairly average PFF scores. But so did Martin.

What's the Tackle situation looking like? Left Tackle?? Is Guyton still the projected starter? If so, then that would be my first move. That dude should not be playing on the left side of the line. He's a right tackle. Taking Tet McMillian won't change things on that front. I can promise you that.
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Re: 2025 Cowboys Draft 

Post#44 » by Mr B » Sun Apr 6, 2025 6:04 am

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Cactus Jack wrote:Having good receivers doesn't win games though. Teams that control the line of scrimmage typically advance the furthest. The Eagles are just the latest example.

The Bengals won just 9 games because the roster is poorly constructed. But I'm sure fans of the team are happy that they have the best WR duo in the league. :wink:

I agree, and I expect the Dallas OL to be better. The DL is more of a question because I’m not really sure what kind of defense Eberflus is going to run. They need to solve the DT problem but should be able to do that in round 2 or 3. There are several good DT’s that will be available.

No matter where they draft a WR I wouldn’t expect for him to be a big contributor in his rookie season. Usually it takes WR’s a year or 2 to develop. Having a guy like Drake London (most common comp for Tet) opposite CeeDee would be really nice.

Again I fully expect the OL and the running game to be fixed this season. They’ve had several seasons of having a mediocre OL and mediocre running game. With Brock Hoffman taking over full time for the corpse of Zack Martin and Beebe having a full year under his belt the middle of the Dallas OL could be dominant. Throw in a fresh young RB or two and the offense begins to look dynamic again (with Tet opposite CeeDee).

Hoffman has fairly average PFF scores. But so did Martin.

What's the Tackle situation looking like? Left Tackle?? Is Guyton still the projected starter? If so, then that would be my first move. That dude should not be playing on the left side of the line. He's a right tackle. Taking Tet McMillian won't change things on that front. I can promise you that.

Yea Tet definitely won’t help the LT position. Right now the starting Tackles are Guyton and Steele. The Cowboys have a pretty good track record for drafting and developing offensive linemen so we have to wait and see how Guyton develops. They brought in a new OL coach that is should be an improvement. If not, and if Guyton doesn’t improve they’re ****. It’s unfortunate that this draft is not deep at LT. If there is 1 guy I would love to fall to them it’s Armand Membou. I don’t see him falling to 12 though.
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Re: 2025 Cowboys Draft 

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Re: 2025 Cowboys Draft 

Post#46 » by Mr B » Thu Apr 10, 2025 8:00 pm

Well we’re about 2 weeks away from the draft. Based on everything I’m reading most people are speculating that the Cowboys are looking to draft a skill player at 12 and specifically they are wanting to draft a WR at 12 and want Tet McMillan. Also heard that they have Matthew Golden as the #2 WR and he’s not that far behind Tet according to them. So it appears that the #12 pick will be one of

Tet McMillan
Matthew Golden
Ashton Jeanty

Also heard that there are really no teams looking to move up. The draft is deep and not top heavy. I have a feeling there will be very few teams trading down. So at 12 I would not be upset with any of these 3 players (in this order too).

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Re: 2025 Cowboys Draft 

Post#47 » by Cactus Jack » Thu Apr 10, 2025 9:09 pm

Golden over Jeanty??
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Re: 2025 Cowboys Draft 

Post#48 » by Mr B » Thu Apr 10, 2025 11:40 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:Golden over Jeanty??

That’s the way they’re being ranked because of the value of each position. Jeanty may be the more productive player but he plays RB. They do not have as much value as WR’s in today’s NFL (although Barkley/Henry have changed that some). Also the fall off after the top 4 WR’s is bigger than the fall off after the top 4 RB’s. They will be able to get a really good RB in the 2nd or 3rd round.

If I’m the Cowboys I’m looking at Kaleb Johnson, Quinshon Judkins, or TreVeyon Henderson in round 2, unless DT Alfred Collins is still on the board at 44. If Collins is there then wait until the 3 to get the RB. Judkins or Henderson could likely still be on the board in round 3. Where they could go with RB Ollie Gordon or RB Damien Martinez.
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Re: 2025 Cowboys Draft 

Post#49 » by Micah Prescott » Fri Apr 11, 2025 10:05 pm

Mr B wrote: Right now the starting Tackles are Guyton and Steele.

This has to be the worst starting tackle duo in the entire NFL

What a disaster. We aren't used to having tackles this bad.



It can be addressed immediately though simply by putting Tyler Smith at LT where he has shown to be elite.

This is a coaching failure.
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Re: 2025 Cowboys Draft 

Post#50 » by Micah Prescott » Fri Apr 11, 2025 10:08 pm

The defense will be better than last year just for the simple fact that it is literally impossible to be any worse :lol:

With Lawrence gone though, maybe they can do just enough sucking to achieve it.

So many holes there.



And with this many holes on the team, we end up drafting a WR with our #1? The one place we have an elite God-Like talent? That would be a failure of a pick IMO.
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Re: 2025 Cowboys Draft 

Post#51 » by Cactus Jack » Fri Apr 11, 2025 10:35 pm

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Cactus Jack wrote:Golden over Jeanty??

Also the fall off after the top 4 WR’s is bigger than the fall off after the top 4 RB’s.

If I’m the Cowboys I’m looking at Kaleb Johnson, Quinshon Judkins, or TreVeyon Henderson in round 2, unless DT Alfred Collins is still on the board at 44. If Collins is there then wait until the 3 to get the RB. Judkins or Henderson could likely still be on the board in round 3. Where they could go with RB Ollie Gordon or RB Damien Martinez.

Says who?

Outside of Hunter & maybe McMillian the gap between the guys going in Round one vs. later on isn't that much. There are a bunch of good WR options on day two. Guys like Jayden Higgins, Tre Harris, Jack Bech, Jalin Noel, Kyle Williams, etc.

I personally think there's a gap between Jeanty & every other RB in this class.

I'm not as high on Hampton as some. But I do think he's a 2nd round talent. I view the Ohio State guys as more committee type backs. Neither one is a true bell cow in that sense. Kaleb Johnson will excel in a zone scheme. But I'm definitely taking Jeanty over a WR if he's on the board.
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Re: 2025 Cowboys Draft 

Post#52 » by Mr B » Sat Apr 12, 2025 12:24 am

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Cactus Jack wrote:Golden over Jeanty??

Also the fall off after the top 4 WR’s is bigger than the fall off after the top 4 RB’s.

If I’m the Cowboys I’m looking at Kaleb Johnson, Quinshon Judkins, or TreVeyon Henderson in round 2, unless DT Alfred Collins is still on the board at 44. If Collins is there then wait until the 3 to get the RB. Judkins or Henderson could likely still be on the board in round 3. Where they could go with RB Ollie Gordon or RB Damien Martinez.

Says who?

Outside of Hunter & maybe McMillian the gap between the guys going in Round one vs. later on isn't that much. There are a bunch of good WR options on day two. Guys like Jayden Higgins, Tre Harris, Jack Bech, Jalin Noel, Kyle Williams, etc.

I personally think there's a gap between Jeanty & every other RB in this class.

I'm not as high on Hampton as some. But I do think he's a 2nd round talent. I view the Ohio State guys as more committee type backs. Neither one is a true bell cow in that sense. Kaleb Johnson will excel in a zone scheme. But I'm definitely taking Jeanty over a WR if he's on the board.

I don’t even consider Hunter a WR. He may get a play her or play there on offense but his value is as a CB not a WR. Besides did you see the “routes” he was running the other day? **** hilarious! And not in a good way.

You have Tet McMillian, Matthew Golden, Egbuka, and Luther Burden. Then there’s a drop off. Higgins, Harris, Bech, and those other guys might develop into good WR’s but NO ONE is putting them as 1st round talent.
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Re: 2025 Cowboys Draft 

Post#53 » by Mr B » Sat Apr 12, 2025 1:16 am

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Cactus Jack wrote:Golden over Jeanty??

Also the fall off after the top 4 WR’s is bigger than the fall off after the top 4 RB’s.

If I’m the Cowboys I’m looking at Kaleb Johnson, Quinshon Judkins, or TreVeyon Henderson in round 2, unless DT Alfred Collins is still on the board at 44. If Collins is there then wait until the 3 to get the RB. Judkins or Henderson could likely still be on the board in round 3. Where they could go with RB Ollie Gordon or RB Damien Martinez.

Says who?

Outside of Hunter & maybe McMillian the gap between the guys going in Round one vs. later on isn't that much. There are a bunch of good WR options on day two. Guys like Jayden Higgins, Tre Harris, Jack Bech, Jalin Noel, Kyle Williams, etc.

I personally think there's a gap between Jeanty & every other RB in this class.

I'm not as high on Hampton as some. But I do think he's a 2nd round talent. I view the Ohio State guys as more committee type backs. Neither one is a true bell cow in that sense. Kaleb Johnson will excel in a zone scheme. But I'm definitely taking Jeanty over a WR if he's on the board.

Jeanty is clearly a level or two above the other RB’s in the draft. Omarion Hampton reminds me of Demarco Murray. He’s more than capable of being a bell cow. I think Judkins has bell cow potential too. He was basically that when he was at Ole Miss. he and Hampton are the two most physical runners.

I agree that the other RB’s are more RB by committee guys. Of the other guys there a couple that I really like. TreVeyon Henderson of course, Cam Skattebo intrigues me, Kyle Monangai is very interesting, but my favorite of the “lesser” RB’s is Damien Martinez out of Miami.

If the Cowboys can’t draft Hampton or Judkins I would love to see them spend 2 picks on RB and draft Henderson/Martinez.
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Re: 2025 Cowboys Draft 

Post#54 » by Mr B » Sat Apr 12, 2025 2:49 am

Micah Prescott wrote:The defense will be better than last year just for the simple fact that it is literally impossible to be any worse :lol:

With Lawrence gone though, maybe they can do just enough sucking to achieve it.

So many holes there.



And with this many holes on the team, we end up drafting a WR with our #1? The one place we have an elite God-Like talent? That would be a failure of a pick IMO.

I’ve done probably over 1,000 mock drafts and I seemed to always get the best outcome by starting the Cowboys draft with a WR and waiting until round 3-4 to take a RB (or two). I know that doesn’t mean crap but every time the draft just seemed to fall right for the Cowboys. Pretty much every time I was able to load up on DT’s and O Linemen.

The Cowboys have 10 picks and can get a quality DT in round 2 (Alfred Collin or Tyleik Williams please). There are several good interior OL too.

There doesn’t seem to be very many quality OT’s. Also it seems like LB’s are getting smaller these days.
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Re: 2025 Cowboys Draft 

Post#55 » by Mr B » Tue Apr 15, 2025 12:28 am

I’m hearing this is regardless if Tet McMillan is on the board or not. They like Golden’s speed.

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Re: 2025 Cowboys Draft 

Post#56 » by Micah Prescott » Thu Apr 24, 2025 6:46 pm

Tonight is the night, that Ashton Jeanty becomes a Cowboy.







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Re: 2025 Cowboys Draft 

Post#57 » by Mr B » Fri Apr 25, 2025 2:20 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:Tonight is the night, that Ashton Jeanty becomes a Cowboy.







I hope

I knew he wouldn’t make it to #12. The Cowboys actual pick Tyler Booker will make sure that any RB they draft will end up just as successful as Ashton Jeanty. The middle of the Cowboys OL should be dominant this year. Check out this player assessment from Brian Baldinger.

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Re: 2025 Cowboys Draft 

Post#58 » by Micah Prescott » Fri Apr 25, 2025 4:31 pm

I don't hate the pick I guess. Everything starts at the line. And now we have 4 straight years of 1st round linemen.

-Booker
-Guyton
-Mazi
-Tyler

we are drafting the right positions, the problem is Mazi and Guyton look like late round talent.
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Re: 2025 Cowboys Draft 

Post#59 » by Mr B » Fri Apr 25, 2025 5:08 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:I don't hate the pick I guess. Everything starts at the line. And now we have 4 straight years of 1st round linemen.

-Booker
-Guyton
-Mazi
-Tyler

we are drafting the right positions, the problem is Mazi and Guyton look like late round talent.

They are going to be extremely formidable inside on the OL. I’m wondering what kind of RB do they want. Do they want a game breaker type who may not be an every down back like Henderson, or do they want a thumper who can be a workhorse? To me that guy is Quinshon Judkins.

I’m also split on which one I would want. I like them both for different reasons.
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Re: 2025 Cowboys Draft 

Post#60 » by Micah Prescott » Fri Apr 25, 2025 5:18 pm

Guyton needs to show up big time. Because Steele is a lost cause. That guy is certified garbage.

If it were up to me?

LT - Tyler Smith
LG - Tyler Booker
C - Cooper Beebe
RG - draft one, sign a FA, anything
RT - Tyler Guyton


Terrence Steele - SEE YA


Just now realizing we have 3 Tylers on our line, what is up with that?

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