Dez

[Romotodez]

Since we have been on this board, there has definitely been something missing. Everyone has been getting along which is great, but its ok to spice it up a little . There is nothing wrong with disagreements . By bringing up Dez I'm not trying to start a war or anything. Many of you know I have usually been pro Dez and have said in the past pay him whatever he wants. Well I know he is a fan favorite, but I'm starting to change my perception about how good he really is. I asked a few weeks back on the other board if it was just me or does it seem like Dez isn't open as much this year. Of course a few came back and said it was just me. Yesterday should have been his game. 8 to 9 in the box all day basically. I know Weeden and the refs didn't do him any favors, but that physical play is right up his alley. He has had a pretty good year so far and I'm sure his numbers have taken a hit because of the success of Murray. We need him to dominate though. He is suppose to be the best player we have. You could argue he hasn't even been one of our top 5. I'm not saying he isn't deserving of a big contract because he is, but is he really one of the top 5 WRs in football this season? Maybe so, just throwing it out there

[Jarntt]

Since we have been on this board, there has definitely been something missing. Everyone has been getting along which is great, but its ok to spice it up a little . There is nothing wrong with disagreements . By bringing up Dez I'm not trying to start a war or anything. Many of you know I have usually been pro Dez and have said in the past pay him whatever he wants. Well I know he is a fan favorite, but I'm starting to change my perception about how good he really is. I asked a few weeks back on the other board if it was just me or does it seem like Dez isn't open as much this year. Of course a few came back and said it was just me. Yesterday should have been his game. 8 to 9 in the box all day basically. I know Weeden and the refs didn't do him any favors, but that physical play is right up his alley. He has had a pretty good year so far and I'm sure his numbers have taken a hit because of the success of Murray. We need him to dominate though. He is suppose to be the best player we have. You could argue he hasn't even been one of our top 5. I'm not saying he isn't deserving of a big contract because he is, but is he really one of the top 5 WRs in football this season? Maybe so, just throwing it out there

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWVzTcZW2gk

[Romotodez]

Heck of a throw to give him a chance. Highlight catches are great, and some of the catches he has made in the end zone definitely adds to his value.

[PDay8810]

I'm sure you remember Romo, but here it is again...
Dez has off the chart athletic ability and has matured since OK State, BUT !
the guy is not an accomplished route runner and I'm pretty sure that ain't changing. Dez's in game maturity is still lacking. The other team, officials and even his own team can many times get into his head. He will drop a ball now and then, and still jogs way to often when it's not his play. AND NOW, he wants to talk contract in season since he's fired Parker and went with show me the money when at the start of the season he was all about football in season? Maybe I'm one of the few that finds that interesting timing with the good start to the season and all. Did I say he has freakish athletic abilities?

[RJ MacReady1]

Love Dez, he really is a beast. He has embraced the role as decoy when he needs to.. And he has one of the best attitudes on the team. He has matured but a part of him will always be a walking jug of nitroglycerin. It's not a "if" he blows but a "when".

I wonder about consistent production with a guy like Dez if he gets signed to a big contract. And I would not Tag him either. He has made comments that he would considered that a mistake. You can see that being a monster mess in the making.

It's a tough call ...But what I think is best for the Boys going forward is not to pay Dez a big contract but I'm not going to lose any sleep if we do.

I know nothing about trades but could you slap the tag on him then trade him? Trading Dez in my eyes is the best scenario that works out best for the Boys.

[CarlHoudini]

If I'm being honest, I think he's overrated. Don't get me wrong, he's a hell of an athlete, but when he gets older and needs good route running to make up for finishing physical abilities, I think he'll be hosed. This is why I would miss him in the short run, but not the long run.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Calling a Cowboy player over-rated can get you in trouble, lol.

[tw1st3d]

Dez wants a mega contract Cowboys don't want to give it to him ( might have something to do with wanting to keep Murray )

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--c ... 41064.html

[Texas Chuck]

He's a great player no question, but the team needs to give him more routes to run and send him deep on occasion. Teams are sitting on all those short routes and its not allowing him to take advantage of some of his skills.

Would love to see the Cowboys go max protect more often and run some 2 or 3 man routes giving Dez a chance to get deep--especially on 1st downs when everyone is geared up to stop the run.

I'm a little hesitant to give him a $100M contract, but I don't know that there is a better option. He won't respond well to be franchised and then we have no good option for Murray who we obviously shouldn't give a long-term deal to. Its problem.

[snookdad]

I think did is a Really good wr with the potential to be great. I think if we had better qb play and yes even from Romo (deep routes) we would then see his full potential. My biggest frustration with Dez is dropping balls more so than route running. I would love to see the Cowboys bring in a veteran Like a Steve Smith or an Andre Johnson for the right price who can push him to meet his full potential so that one day he might be great. Dez is still a top 10 wr in the NFL IMHO. I think the only 2 wr who a clearly better have both been hurt most of the season, but I'm now actually willing to make an argument for Antonio Brown being better in PB, but then again He has a better qb with a canon for an arm so its hard to tell.

[snookdad]

He's a great player no question, but the team needs to give him more routes to run and send him deep on occasion. Teams are sitting on all those short routes and its not allowing him to take advantage of some of his skills.

Would love to see the Cowboys go max protect more often and run some 2 or 3 man routes giving Dez a chance to get deep--especially on 1st downs when everyone is geared up to stop the run.

I'm a little hesitant to give him a $100M contract, but I don't know that there is a better option. He won't respond well to be franchised and then we have no good option for Murray who we obviously shouldn't give a long-term deal to. Its problem.

Great Point one thing we can do to improve his route tree is give him some double move and screens from time to time. I agree with your perspective 100%

[Romotodez]

Antonio Brown has speed. Speed is something our offense doesn't have. Watching Hilton run crossing routes last night was amazing . We need one of those guys. I don't mean go sign them. We need speed. I think it's more route running than anything. DEMarius Thomas is great route runner. If he had DEz hands he would break the record. Dez has had 2, 100yd games this season. He is current 38th in yards after catch. Again he is ha ing a good year, but he has done it quietly.

[PDay8810]

Antonio Brown has speed. Speed is something our offense doesn't have. Watching Hilton run crossing routes last night was amazing . We need one of those guys. I don't mean go sign them. We need speed. I think it's more route running than anything. DEMarius Thomas is great route runner. If he had DEz hands he would break the record. Dez has had 2, 100yd games this season. He is current 38th in yards after catch. Again he is ha ing a good year, but he has done it quietly.

The Cards were geared to stop the run. Showed and played man to man ALL DAY. The WR's have to get separation, something neither did much of at all. Group effort but when the QB is out the lead dog must lead. Peterson had Dez in his hip pocket all day, and IMO very little of that had to do with play calling or the QB play. Dez is great at jungle ball but still not great at creating separation from a top corner pressing from the snap

[tw1st3d]

I just dont think Dez is good at but 2 routes

the curl and the slant .... Seldom see him get separation on the deep ball..... His only success there has been on jump balls

Never seen him make a double move to get separation.

Im against him getting the mega deal he wants .... Which is Johnson money..... He may be good but he's not that good .... and right now he is no where close to being great or elite

Id tag him ... 12 million a year (right at) or tag and trade ..... but no not 100 million and damn sure not 50 million guaranteed

[Cowboycolors]

I just dont think Dez is good at but 2 routes

the curl and the slant .... Seldom see him get separation on the deep ball..... His only success there has been on jump balls

Never seen him make a double move to get separation.

Im against him getting the mega deal he wants .... Which is Johnson money..... He may be good but he's not that good .... and right now he is no where close to being great or elite

Id tag him ... 12 million a year (right at) or tag and trade ..... but no not 100 million and damn sure not 50 million guaranteed

Dez has come a long way from where he was and how he arrived in Dallas. I did not want him when we drafted him and he proved me right at first. He has slowly won me over but Im with you Twist Im am scared spitless to give him a monster contract. That could very well cause major issues in his family life again. I am still not sure he is mature enough to handle that kind of financial windfall.

I am leaning toward the tag or a major incentive laden contract with off field protections for the team should he wander from the straight and narrow path.

[tw1st3d]

The guarantees were the big hang up from what I understood ... Because right now he has all the conduct issues in his contract .... which he wouldnt have in the new one.

Agreed it should be an incintive based contract .... with an easy out if he was to screw up

[snookdad]

It's no secret that I'm going to disagree with the assessment that some are making about Dez. I still think that Some can't get past the fact that he has had maturity issues and simply don't like Dez the man. Dez has shown that he can get open deep with great regularity. Romo has shown that throwing the deep ball is not his strong point and he's probably near the bottom of the league with his deep ball accuracy. Dez isn't a burner but he's not getting credit here, he gets separation more often then not and has the physical tool to fight for the ball while in the air (see the Houston game). Double moves have not been called in this offense for a long time. It need to be added lol yall telling me he can't run a double move. Dez will never be Jerry Rice, Steve Largent, Anquan Boldin in terms of rout running. Dez has become a solid rout runner though. He still has room to improve especially in blitzing situations. All in All He's by far the best wr this team has and I believe he deserves an extension.

[PDay8810]

It's no secret that I'm going to disagree with the assessment that some are making about Dez. I still think that Some can't get past the fact that he has had maturity issues and simply don't like Dez the man. Dez has shown that he can get open deep with great regularity. Romo has shown that throwing the deep ball is not his strong point and he's probably near the bottom of the league with his deep ball accuracy. Dez isn't a burner but he's not getting credit here, he gets separation more often then not and has the physical tool to fight for the ball while in the air (see the Houston game). Double moves have not been called in this offense for a long time. It need to be added lol yall telling me he can't run a double move. Dez will never be Jerry Rice, Steve Largent, Anquan Boldin in terms of rout running. Dez has become a solid rout runner though. He still has room to improve especially in blitzing situations. All in All He's by far the best wr this team has and I believe he deserves an extension.

opinions vary I suppose, but I do agree he's the best wide on the team

[tw1st3d]

I have no problem saying he is the best receiver on the team..... without question.

But disagree on the deep ball..... I seldom see him get separation ( for as many times as he is thrown to deep)

And I've changed from not wanting him on the team for being immature somewhat .... I still want to see him make it through a season without something happening ( half a season to go )
(Dont forget this is the guy that walked off the field last year when we still had a chance to win the game..... thats not off the field issues .... that's a punk crybaby move no matter how you slice it)
But I dont care if he had never had issues ...... Talent wise I dont think he is worth CJ money

I think you pay a man based on what he has done ...... Like with any job.
Not pay him for what you HOPE he will do or what he MAY become

Which to me is is the 10-12 million a year range I'd be good with 5 years 60 million .... 40 more million is almost double that


and here's what I was referring to

With 1:24 left in the fourth quarter of the game between the Dallas Cowboys and Green Bay Packers, Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo checked out of a run play and threw a horrible interception to Packers cornerback Tramon Williams on a pass intended for Cole Beasley. Romo's attempt was off-course, and it was an awful decision. The score was 37-36 in favor of Green Bay, and the Packers had come back from a 26-3 halftime deficit. Romo had the ball at the Dallas 29-yard line, the Cowboys had been gashing the Packers' front seven with the running game and all Romo had to do was to avoid the major brain-cramp and get his team into field-goal range -- which he had the time and the resources to do.

One of Romo's resources was receiver Dez Bryant, who caught 11 passes on 17 targets for 153 yards and a touchdown on the day. Bryant's touchdown was an amazing play -- he went vertical and grabbed the pass despite the efforts of more than one Green Bay defender. That showed Bryant's freakish talent, but what happened after Romo's interception also showed Bryant's immaturity. After the pick, and the review allowing Walt Coleman's officiating crew to catch up with the idea that it was a pick, Bryant was caught by FOX Sports' cameras as he walked off the field.

http://www.si.com/nfl/audibles/2013/12/ ... as-cowboys

[Jarntt]

I have no problem saying he is the best receiver on the team..... without question.

But disagree on the deep ball..... I seldom see him get separation ( for as many times as he is thrown to deep)

And I've changed from not wanting him on the team for being immature somewhat .... I still want to see him make it through a season without something happening ( half a season to go )
(Dont forget this is the guy that walked off the field last year when we still had a chance to win the game..... thats not off the field issues .... that's a punk crybaby move no matter how you slice it)
But I dont care if he had never had issues ...... Talent wise I dont think he is worth CJ money

I think you pay a man based on what he has done ...... Like with any job.
Not pay him for what you HOPE he will do or what he MAY become
Which to me is is the 10-12 million a year range I'd be good with 5 years 60 million .... 40 more million is almost double that


and here's what I was referring to

With 1:24 left in the fourth quarter of the game between the Dallas Cowboys and Green Bay Packers, Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo checked out of a run play and threw a horrible interception to Packers cornerback Tramon Williams on a pass intended for Cole Beasley. Romo's attempt was off-course, and it was an awful decision. The score was 37-36 in favor of Green Bay, and the Packers had come back from a 26-3 halftime deficit. Romo had the ball at the Dallas 29-yard line, the Cowboys had been gashing the Packers' front seven with the running game and all Romo had to do was to avoid the major brain-cramp and get his team into field-goal range -- which he had the time and the resources to do.

One of Romo's resources was receiver Dez Bryant, who caught 11 passes on 17 targets for 153 yards and a touchdown on the day. Bryant's touchdown was an amazing play -- he went vertical and grabbed the pass despite the efforts of more than one Green Bay defender. That showed Bryant's freakish talent, but what happened after Romo's interception also showed Bryant's immaturity. After the pick, and the review allowing Walt Coleman's officiating crew to catch up with the idea that it was a pick, Bryant was caught by FOX Sports' cameras as he walked off the field.

http://www.si.com/nfl/audibles/2013/12/ ... as-cowboys

Disagree with the bolded. I think you have to pay them for what you think they will do going forward, not for what they did in the past. The Problem with Dallas has been paying for the past. That's how you end up with an old team