Murray or AP

[Redstar2014]

with the 4 yr $16M offer to Murray, I can only guess Murray is PO and will leave Dal for a bigger paycheck elsewhere. With all the rumors with AP, who would you rather have next year carrying the rock for us? I vote for DM29!!! solid and 3 years younger than AP. I hope JJ makes the right choice!!

[Manster7588]

Murray is my first option, followed by a draft pick. If not either of these I stick with the current backs. I not anti AP because of the switching but because of his age.

AP will still likely get the same money as Murray so why risk a contract on a older player.

[Romotodez]

If that's all we offer MUrray , I can't blame him for leaving. How will he do elsewhere? Probably a top 5 back. He just won't get the carries he did here, I wouldn't think anyway. He also won't have the line he had here. I think some real chemistry though developed with him , Wit, Romo, DEz. I'm too loyal though to make that decision.

[PDay8810]

not sure it's a take or leave situation....hopefully just poker
Murray deserves a little better.
I'd do 3 years at 17M with 10M guaranteed.

[Manster7588]

not sure it's a take or leave situation....hopefully just poker
Murray deserves a little better.
I'd do 3 years at 17M with 10M guaranteed.

While I agree Murray deserves more than 4M a year I'm not sure we have the cap space to give him what he should get. I can see him holding off until the league announces the cap number.
Many of our past contract redos still loom large.

[Romotodez]

not sure it's a take or leave situation....hopefully just poker
Murray deserves a little better.
I'd do 3 years at 17M with 10M guaranteed.

Surely it's just a start of negotiations. No doubt the RB position is devaluing itself more and more each year and sure an average Rb should be able to come in and do a good job with this supporting cast. I just think this particular cast feeds off each other more than it would somebody else. Again I'm way too biased towards our players.

[Eiknarflin]

I get the part about being biased toward our players. I have that same bias and I hate to see Murray go somewhere else for two reasons: 1) he's a Cowboy, and 2) he almost certainly won't do as well elsewhere.

I think both JJ and DM need to be sensible in the negotiations. I think Pday has hit on a sensible offer that would be beneficial for Murray and still protect JJ and the franchise.

The last thing I want to see, even more than Murray walking, is for JJ to give him a contract that will be devestating to the franchise two or three years down the road. There are probably 20 or so rbs that can be effective behind our line. If it's going to take more than ten million guaranteed and a good o-line to run behind, then we have to let him walk and go with Randle and a draft in the third or fourth, IMO.

[PDay8810]

"Many of our past contract redos still loom large"

I somewhat agree Manster. I just think many of those contracts were given with the full intent of redos.

I don't get all caught up in the numbers. Jerry & Stephen aren't all that stupid

[Romotodez]

Can JJ hire Netsgotbanned? My man knows the cap .

[Cowboycolors]

With respect to Murray I let him walk !

The Ol is the strength ! lets c what Randle and Williams can do along with a Draft pick

No way I pay more than what the Boys are offering

RB in the NFL is like a land line at home only good for X

As Far as AP if he wants to sign on the cheap sure other than that moving along

JMHO

[PDay8810]

With respect to Murray I let him walk !

The Ol is the strength ! lets c what Randle and Williams can do along with a Draft pick

No way I pay more than what the Boys are offering

RB in the NFL is like a land line at home only good for X

As Far as AP if he wants to sign on the cheap sure other than that moving along

JMHO

Colors...your opinion has always been as good as the next guys
but, define cheap...for AP that would seem to be 6 to 8M per.

[Manster7588]

With respect to Murray I let him walk !

The Ol is the strength ! lets c what Randle and Williams can do along with a Draft pick

No way I pay more than what the Boys are offering

RB in the NFL is like a land line at home only good for X

As Far as AP if he wants to sign on the cheap sure other than that moving along

JMHO

With respect to Murray I let him walk !

The Ol is the strength ! lets c what Randle and Williams can do along with a Draft pick

No way I pay more than what the Boys are offering

RB in the NFL is like a land line at home only good for X

As Far as AP if he wants to sign on the cheap sure other than that moving along

JMHO

Colors...your opinion has always been as good as the next guys
but, define cheap...for AP that would seem to be 6 to 8M per.

Agree with PDay. AP will still want AP money. I honestly he will be asking for more than Murray is.

Damn now that I admitted I agree with PDay does that make me his follower?

[Schmoopy1000]

If that's all we offer MUrray , I can't blame him for leaving. How will he do elsewhere? Probably a top 5 back. He just won't get the carries he did here, I wouldn't think anyway. He also won't have the line he had here. I think some real chemistry though developed with him , Wit, Romo, DEz. I'm too loyal though to make that decision.

I don't think he is a top 5 back. I am not dogging on him, because I know he is a good RB, but if he is looking to break the bank I let him go. I also don't think he would sign a 3 year deal. Normally they look for a longer term deal so they can get the bigger pay day & more guaranteed money. This will probably be his big pay day contract. Doubt he gets other big pay day contracts after this one, so I cant blame him for looking for whatever he can get n this one. I just hope we can learn to be kinda like the PATs. Capable of letting go of good players instead of over paying them. Keep the O-line in tact, & start building up the D-line & we should be fine.
As far as AP goes. I wouldn't spend to much on him. I would take Murray over AP for the same price tags. Hell I would take Murray over AP even if AP was a little cheaper, but I don't want to overpay for either of them.

[Romotodez]

Murray not top 5 ???? I know I get biased about our players, but he showed what he could do in a 16 game season. I don't think he gets 1800 next year but 1300 yes. He brings a lot to the table. I will say for our offense he fits the bill for me. In the Eagles offense- maybe not.

[Redstar2014]

We need a dominant running game behind Romo, OL is good and gonna get better but still have holes as few games this year Romo was sacked quite a bit. Way too many sacks if OL is that good as they say! Romo had a great year because our running game was dominant. We do not want to put too much on Romo as he will revert back to old Romo being mistakes prone. You see how effective Romo can be with a dominant RB. We can't break the bank on DM29 but we gotta do everything we can to keep him in Dal. After locking down our OFF, we need to improve our DEF especially pash rush as corners got exposed due to lack of QB pressures. Can we say SUH???! He would be a difference maker with our DEF.


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[Cowboycolors]

AP will want his but no way I pay more than 2 years 10 million. He could be a monster behind the Line we have but he is on the wrong side of 27 and his production could be about to fall off the cliff. RB's in the Draft can be had for way less money than what AP Murray or other FA's backs cost. The position is being devalued by the teams in the league to the point it is almost becoming a throwaway position. Draft a good 1 then 2 years later draft another etc etc now that does mean you have to be good at drafting the talent.

Cowboys and other teams have a study that shows production dropoff in percentages after age 27 here is an example

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/chartbuilder ... 190285.png
its a good read and is brutally honest from the business side

[PDay8810]

Can JJ hire Netsgotbanned? My man knows the cap .

Sure...it's just the football points that are lacking greatly.

"Think of it this way, if all the rumors are true about Lynch and AP being cut what the RB market could look like:

AP
Lynch
Forsett
Ryan Matthews
Spiller
DMac
Murray
Gore
Ingram
Moreno
Hell I wouldn't want him on my team but Ray Rice even.

You are looking at 11 RB's that I believe could/would run for over 1,500 yards behind this OL next season, with AP over 2k.

Now include the Talent in the Draft Gurley, Gordon, Duke Johnson, Tevon Coleman, TJ Yeldon, Ameer Abdullah, Mike Davis, Jay Ajayi, Javorious Allen, Jeremy Langford, and Josh Robinson and then ask yourself why in the hell would I pay an RB over 6M per when I could draft one in the first 3 rounds that would get me at least 1,200 yards next season.""


thanks Jarntt for keeping this post real.
43 outta 104 posts.....the boy works hard to impress

wonder why the fan nation folks haven't welcomed him in the fold?

[Jarntt]

I was nice...I didn't even get into the assumptions that those draft picks would all excel. I am a big believer in letting guys go for draft picks in a cap world from time to time, but what drives me nuts is when people start assuming those draft picks are going to all hit and hit big; especially year one and are saying we should go into hte season relying on them hitting big. No matter how good a talent evaluator you are, we all know draft picks are no sure thing. I've been saying I'd be OK with letting Free go and stick with Parnell and drafting (or reasonable FA) another OT, but I've seen Parnell and would be taking the OT as insurance or if we hit, maybe a starter. But someone (I think Nets) was saying get rid of both of them and draft an OT for next year. This thinking drives me nuts when the draft is months away and we don't know who will be there when we pick. I like Nets, but to me, it's not "knowing the cap" it's making numbers fit the way you want them to.

[PDay8810]

Drives me nuts too.
Can not respect anyone that claims inside information and throws football opinions like the above. I have a 32 year old son just like him. Knows a lot about the game but when he misses.....he misses by a wide margin.

Plug and play never worked for me unless it's QB at Ohio State

[PDay8810]

"I was nice"

Yes...much nicer than I, but that's been established many times before. I remain good with all that.

now if nets defends and you rebut, then you run the risk of UK taking a larger aggressive role.


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