Great NFC East Draft Projections (Manster)

[ncmalko1]

I thought you guys might find this interesting. I bet Manster likes Sports Illustrateds comment on Chip Kelly...

"When he got things rolling at Oregon, one of his main edicts in recruiting was to avoid players who produced drama—even if they were better than another recruit at the same position. In Eugene, Kelly believed a harmonious locker room made the team better."

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/03/24/nfl-draft ... fc-east/3/

[ncmalko1]

Looking forward to see how you spin this.

[bluejerseyjinx]

There's drama in every locker room on every team, every year. Maybe Chip should go back to college if he can't handle it.

[Manster7588]

Screw it. Just to shut you up I'll agree Chip never took a player with a questionable background.

We all know it's not true but I'll say just to keep you EFN happy.

[ncmalko1]

Screw it. Just to shut you up I'll agree Chip never took a player with a questionable background.

We all know it's not true but I'll say just to keep you EFN happy.

Not even with links proving you wrong can you man up. I remember getting in a disagreement with either Jarntt or PDay (forgdt who) and he proved me wrong and I was like, "man you were right. I was wrong". It really wasn't hard either Manster. You should try it. Would you like even more links. I have a link on Chip cutting his #1 player at UCONN to send a message to the team. Want to read that too... not that it would do anything to repair your self esteem that's so abysmally low you can't even admit tour wrong every now and then

[ncmalko1]

Looking forward to see how you spin this.

Man did I nail this prediction. Now he's changed it to "Chip Never took a player with a questionable background". The king of spin aka Manster.

[Jarntt]

Screw it. Just to shut you up I'll agree Chip never took a player with a questionable background.

We all know it's not true but I'll say just to keep you EFN happy.

Not even with links proving you wrong can you man up. I remember getting in a disagreement with either Jarntt or PDay (forgdt who) and he proved me wrong and I was like, "man you were right. I was wrong". It really wasn't hard either Manster. You should try it. Would you like even more links. I have a link on Chip cutting his #1 player at UCONN to send a message to the team. Want to read that too... not that it would do anything to repair your self esteem that's so abysmally low you can't even admit tour wrong every now and then

I always prove you wrong!!!

[Manster7588]

Screw it. Just to shut you up I'll agree Chip never took a player with a questionable background.

We all know it's not true but I'll say just to keep you EFN happy.

Not even with links proving you wrong can you man up. I remember getting in a disagreement with either Jarntt or PDay (forgdt who) and he proved me wrong and I was like, "man you were right. I was wrong". It really wasn't hard either Manster. You should try it. Would you like even more links. I have a link on Chip cutting his #1 player at UCONN to send a message to the team. Want to read that too... not that it would do anything to repair your self esteem that's so abysmally low you can't even admit tour wrong every now and then

And I have a story of Chip suspending a player for F'N theft but god forbid that player smoke a little weed. Weed got that same player cut.

[ncmalko1]

Screw it. Just to shut you up I'll agree Chip never took a player with a questionable background.

We all know it's not true but I'll say just to keep you EFN happy.

Not even with links proving you wrong can you man up. I remember getting in a disagreement with either Jarntt or PDay (forgdt who) and he proved me wrong and I was like, "man you were right. I was wrong". It really wasn't hard either Manster. You should try it. Would you like even more links. I have a link on Chip cutting his #1 player at UCONN to send a message to the team. Want to read that too... not that it would do anything to repair your self esteem that's so abysmally low you can't even admit tour wrong every now and then

I always prove you wrong!!!

I don't know everything. I just don't know why when I bring something up every Eagles fan has read about Chip that people attack me for it (definitely not you Jarntt). I swear if I said the Eagles wear green jerseys some would attack me for it.

[Eiknarflin]

The reason, Malko, is that once again you are twisting what Manster said into what he never said and using Sports Illustrated articles(of all things) to back up your rejection of your twisted version of what Manster said.

Manster never said that CK likes guys that are disturbances in the locker room. Manster said that CK has not shyed away from guys that have off the field issues. There is a difference. If you don't get that, we can't help you.

If you were to say that the Eagles wear green jerseys, and someone attacked you for saying that you denied that the Eagles also wear green pants, then you would only be experiencing what Manster and others have experienced for the last several years with you. It's not right to turn someone's argument into something he never said and then keep insisting that he is wrong when he never said what you are saying he said.

[ncmalko1]

Are you freaking kidding me dude. I twisted his words???? Are you freaking joking. He acted like he said Chip didnt shy away from bad seeds after I proved him wrong. What he said was Chip did go after bad seeds in college. YOu need to go reread everything bro.

[ncmalko1]

Are you freaking kidding me dude. I twisted his words???? I absolutely 100% did not do that. That is what he did bro. Are you freaking joking. He acted like he said Chip didnt shy away from bad seeds after I proved him wrong. What he said was Chip did go after bad seeds in college. YOu need to go reread everything bro.

[ncmalko1]

Eiknarflin. This is what Manster said, "I wonder why Kelly wasn't afraid to recruit questionable character players and now he wont draft them?"
So you can no see he lied his way out of it and tried to use semantic games to get out of what he originally said. Dude, you've always been fair and cool but for you to try and act like I was the one who twisted his words is complete garbage.

Then Manster goes on to say, "NEVER did I say Kelly went after troubled kids, I said he didn't stay away from them."
How can you say I'm the one twisting around his words. His first statement was saying Chip recruited questionable characters in college. Then he tried tweaking it to "He didnt shy away" which is him playing semantic games.

Now Eiknarflin... this isnt even the issue. I can post 100 article saying Chip doesnt draft or recruit bad seeds. Its been said over and over and over and over. Chip then cuts 3 guys all with big mouths. The problem in all of this is Manster is saying Chip drafts and recruits bad seeds when countless articles say the exact opposite. It doesnt matter if I twisted Mansters words or if he twisted mine. The point of all this is EVERYONE knows that Chips is a believer in good guys and Manster is trying to say thats not true. So who do you side with. Do you think I'm making this all up for absolutely no reason or do you side with Manster in that I made all this up and the link I provided is all made up too? Im currious to hear what you really think.

[Manster7588]

Eiknarflin. This is what Manster said, "I wonder why Kelly wasn't afraid to recruit questionable character players and now he wont draft them?"
So you can no see he lied his way out of it and tried to use semantic games to get out of what he originally said. Dude, you've always been fair and cool but for you to try and act like I was the one who twisted his words is complete garbage.

Then Manster goes on to say, "NEVER did I say Kelly went after troubled kids, I said he didn't stay away from them."
How can you say I'm the one twisting around his words. His first statement was saying Chip recruited questionable characters in college. Then he tried tweaking it to "He didnt shy away" which is him playing semantic games.

Now Eiknarflin... this isnt even the issue. I can post 100 article saying Chip doesnt draft or recruit bad seeds. Its been said over and over and over and over. Chip then cuts 3 guys all with big mouths. The problem in all of this is Manster is saying Chip drafts and recruits bad seeds when countless articles say the exact opposite. It doesnt matter if I twisted Mansters words or if he twisted mine. The point of all this is EVERYONE knows that Chips is a believer in good guys and Manster is trying to say thats not true. So who do you side with. Do you think I'm making this all up for absolutely no reason or do you side with Manster in that I made all this up and the link I provided is all made up too? Im currious to hear what you really think.

OK lete ask you a couple of questions. 1. has Kelly brought players to Oregon who were questionable in high school? Has Kelly brought questionable players to Philly? Did I ever say Kelly solely went after bad kids?

Answer these honestly and you will have to agree he hasn't shied away from questionable players.

Not shying away and purposely recruiting is a bIg difference.

I'll wait for you honest answer.

[Manster7588]

And you saying Kelly would never go after Dez because of his character is how this whole argument started. I say that's B.S.

[Jarntt]

"Chip then cuts 3 guys all with big mouths"

But what about Herremans, Maclin, Cole and Mathis? It seems more he is trying to get rid of all the pre Chip expensive vets and start over. Yes, some of them had big mouths (there is no doubt about that), but not all of them, right? And i hate to keep saying it, but if I am going to get rid of anyone that isn't a good guy I never would have resigned Cooper last year...

I do think Chip has a plan from both a talent and character perspective. I think he is 100%, defintely, more interested in character than most coaches and that he will unload everyone that doesn't fit that mold when beneficial, but so is Garrett and we just brought in Hardy. What Dallas did with Hardy was smart. If he gives them any problem they just cut him and lose nothing. You can't field a competitive NFL team with choir boys. Sometimes you have to make some concessions from what you perceive as your ideal player whether it be in terms of character, scheme fit, etc. I think McCoy was let go more because Chip didn't like the way he ran than because he saw him as a bad character, but who knows...

[ncmalko1]

Jarntt said, I think he is 100%, defintely, more interested in character than most coaches and that he will unload everyone that doesn't fit that mold. Thank you Jarntt for being a voice of reason. To address what you're saying I think he is doing both. Dumping PITA's and dumping high priced vets. Herramins and Cole have been great Eagles that followed the system without issue. Mathis did complain about his contract but thats not a major issue.

This topic is old, tired and boring and really just breaks down to this. I said Chip wont go after guys with problems like Dez, Dorial Green Beckham Desean Jackson etc. Manster came on here saying Im wrong and Chip doesnt do that. I said EVERY Eagle and Oregon fan has heard that from reading article after article after article after article. THen I bring a brand new article from SI saying the same thing as what I was saying.

1. ALL I SAID WAS CHIP WONT GO AFTER PROBLEM PLAYERS.
2. Manster disagrees and thinks I just made all this up out of the thin air.
3. I post proof that Chip is known for not going after problem guys.

I dont see what the big deal is. Again, I never even said I agree with that but it common knowledge to anyone who follows Chip or the Eagles. I just dont understand why Manster is so hell bent on saying Im wrong when its so painfully obvious. I dont understand your battle Manster. He had a few issues in college and he cut those players... one been his starting star QB. Its pretty obvious he has a no nonsense approach and Im just completely confused on why you try to go against what is pretty painfully obvious.

[Eiknarflin]

Malko,

Here's how things went down:

1) You said CK would not have someone like Dez on his team because of his character issues
2) Others, including Manster, said that CK has recruited guys with character issues.
3) Manster provided various links that demonstrate CK did recruit several players wit character issues.
4) You said those links prove your case because they speak about CK dropping them from his program
5) You then separate yourself from your original comment and say that you were only saying that that's what you had been reading
6) You then link an SI article (seriously? SI???) that says that CK doesn't want players who produce drama in the locker room, as though that proves that he won't draft/keep guys with questionable character issues.

Bottom line, there is a difference between character issues and drama in the locker room. Dez has had legitimate character issues, but he has not produced drama in the locker room. Your equating of the two - actually your confusion of the two - is what led to you saying CK would never want Dez on his team and it is what led to your claiming victory in this debate.

Me personally, I have no clue what CK is up to. I do know that in today's NFL, a coach won't last long if he isn't willing to tolerate guys with an ego. I tend to think that jarntt is spot on with his thoughts on this discussion. I also think that Manster has proven his original point.

[ncmalko1]

OK lete ask you a couple of questions. 1. has Kelly brought players to Oregon who were questionable in high school? Has Kelly brought questionable players to Philly? Did I ever say Kelly solely went after bad kids?

I have no idea if Kelly brought in players that were questionable from High School nor do you. Maybe some of his recruits when they got to college got in trouble but it seems like he dealt with it pretty severely. Kelly hasnt brought anyone to Philly who has questionable character either although he has only had 1 draft and two FA periods. But everyone he has brought in he always says they are of high character like Demarco Murray. Lastly, no, you never said Chip went solely after bad kids. One thing he has done is got rid of people who arent fully buying into his system in Philly. As the writer for SI said, "Chip specifically went after lesser players that were great kids over kids who were more talented yet bad seeds. I find it interesting that this article pops up right in the middle of our debate. Paid professional writers for the nations top sports magazine are saying the exact same thing as me.

Answer these honestly and you will have to agree he hasn't shied away from questionable players.

I just did answer all of your questions honestly and have to say that CHIP DEFINITELY SHIED AWAY FROM QUESTIONABLE PLAYERS. I posted a current article from someone saying the same exact thing as me. Just because a player got into trouble in college DOES NOT mean he was a questionable kid in high school. Kids get in trouble in college. Some programs are known from hiding these issues and people like Chip Kelly confront these issues and deal with them harshly and he has a big reputation as valuing character over talent.

Not shying away and purposely recruiting is a bIg difference.

I just see this as a semantic game. I said Chip wont go after questionable players and you said he would. Go look at Walter Football Mock Draft. It says Dorial Green Beckham a star player that has been taking off of some draft boards like Philadelphia. GO google "Chip Kelly Culture". Go read what Jarntt just said. I was watching the NFL channel and they did a mock draft and one guys said Philly would draft CB Peters and the other guy said he'd be a good fit but Chip wont draft players that got into trouble in college. Its completely what Chip is known for but you refuse to accept it. Like I said, just google, "Chip Kelly Culture" and you'll see how wrong you are.

I'll wait for you honest answer.

[ncmalko1]

Malko,

Here's how things went down:

1) You said CK would not have someone like Dez on his team because of his character issues
YES, I DID SAY THAT
2) Others, including Manster, said that CK has recruited guys with character issues.
NO, ONLY MANSTER SAID THIS
3) Manster provided various links that demonstrate CK did recruit several players wit character issues.
NO, HE POSTED LINKS TO GUYS WHO GOT IN TROUBLE IN COLLEGE AND KICKED OFF THE TEAM. THAT DOESNT MEAN THESE GUYS WERE GETTING IN TROUBLE IN HS. MANSTERS ARTICLE SAID THAT PLAYERS GETTING INTO TROUBLE IS INEVITABLE AND THEN GOES ON TO SAY CHIP KICKED THEM OFF HIS TEAM, EVEN STARTING STAR QBS
4) You said those links prove your case because they speak about CK dropping them from his program
YES, THATS WHAT I SAID
5) You then separate yourself from your original comment and say that you were only saying that that's what you had been reading
NO, I DIDNT SEPERATE MYSELF FROM THIS AT ALL. I SAID WHAT IM SAYING IS HOW CHIP FEELS BUT I DONT NECCESARILY AGREE. CHIP WOULDNT GO AFTER DEZ BUT IF I WAS THE EAGLES COACH I WOULD. THIS ALL HAS TO DO WITH MANSTER SAYING "GET OF YOUR HIGH HORSE". ALL I WAS SAYING TO YOU GUYS IS HOW CHIP FEELS.
6) You then link an SI article (seriously? SI???) that says that CK doesn't want players who produce drama in the locker room, as though that proves that he won't draft/keep guys with questionable character issues.
YES. WHATS WRONG WITH SI. ITS BY FAR THE BEST WRITTEN AND MOST RESPECTED SPORTS MAGAZINE IN THE COUNTRY. ONE OF THE TOP NFL WRITERS IN THE COUNTRY SHARES INFORMATION STATING THE EXACT SAME THING I READ A MILLION TIMES IN THE PHILLY PAPERS TOO. I FAIL TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN THE TWO ISSUE YOU ARE BRINGING UP.

Bottom line, there is a difference between character issues and drama in the locker room. Dez has had legitimate character issues, but he has not produced drama in the locker room. Your equating of the two - actually your confusion of the two - is what led to you saying CK would never want Dez on his team and it is what led to your claiming victory in this debate.

DEZ HASNT CREATED DRAMA IN THE LOCKER ROOM. HE HAS SCREAMED AT COACHES AND FELLOW PLAYERS. HE ALSO SHOULD HAVE LOST THE LIONS GAME FOR DALLAS IF THE REF MADE THE CORRECT CALL AND PENALYZED HIM FOR RUNNING 30 YARDS ON TO THE FIELD WITHOUT HIS HELMET TO SCREAM AT A REF. YOU ARE TRYING TO PLAY A SEMANTIC GAME TOO. CHARACTER ISSUES ARE ONE OF THE BY PRODUCTS OF CAUSING DRAMA IN THE LOCKER ROOM. GO LOOK AT THE DRAFT GUIDES AND SITES SAYING CHIP WONT DRAFT DGB OR MARCUS PETERS BECAUSE OF THEIR CHARACTER

Me personally, I have no clue what CK is up to. I do know that in today's NFL, a coach won't last long if he isn't willing to tolerate guys with an ego. I tend to think that jarntt is spot on with his thoughts on this discussion. I also think that Manster has proven his original point.