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Hail To The Redskins

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Re: Hail To The Redskins 

Post#1321 » by pancakes3 » Mon Dec 7, 2009 3:19 am

maybe i'm not addicted to winning as much as the rest of you but i was really impressed with what i saw out there. JC getting into a rhythm, d-line getting penetration, thomas's debutante game, and ganther getting some YAC. i wasn't expecting us to be within 2 scores much less force OT. We played to our potential out there today, and if not for 2 crazy once-a-season caliber plays we would have won handily.

the punt was of NO fault to Barnes. He was doing his job perfectly. He was suppose to run down the sideline and form a wall for Mason and that's just what he did. There's no way he was to know the ball would basically hunt him down like a barn owl. He even tried to duck out of the way once someone told them to scatter. I really feel for him. it was the flukiest of fluke plays, and his second time in on special teams EVER. He did his job perfectly and ended up help costing the game... we can be mad as fans that it happened, but don't direct that anger towards the team, and especially not at barnes.

the INT-fumble-TD sequence was ridiculous also. another little-used player getting in there playing his position perfectly, only to make a HUGE mistake. He caught the ball, and wasn't looking to return it. Only after he realized the ball was live, did he take off. He even kept the ball in his side-line hand so that if anyone did strip it, it would go out of bounds. he just failed physically doing a job that he's not trained to do. again, i'm angry that the play did happen but i'm not about to direct that anger at Moore, or Zorn, or the redskins in general.

as for the draft, i see nothing wrong with our secondary. we've got hungry guys there. especially next season when chris horton will be back, so landry can move back to SS, we'll be as talented as any other team. if we should improve anyone on the defensive side of the ball it should be to upgrade cornelius griffin. If Griffin was a more credible threat, him and haynesworth would be able to shut any run-game down. them clogging the middle lets orakpo make plays on the QB and fletcher to chase down edge guys.

and to curtail this post, i'll just say that if McCoy, Clausen, Pike fall to the 3rd round, i'd consider it but not a round before. 1st and 2nd are linemen picks.
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Re: Hail To The Redskins 

Post#1322 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Dec 7, 2009 4:03 am

I like the kid LeFevour in the later rounds at QB, pancakes.

I agree that line picks and maybe one big RB should be the first and second picks.
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Re: Hail To The Redskins 

Post#1323 » by lupin » Mon Dec 7, 2009 12:23 pm

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Re: Hail To The Redskins 

Post#1324 » by WizStorm » Mon Dec 7, 2009 1:54 pm

When you have 3 games all in your hand and let them slip away, it's time to stop being a cheerleader and happy for moral victories. This game against NO is no different, no matter how much "improvement" you see on the field, there is something very wrong with the teams ability to finish out opponents.

Sure there are encouraging signs and some hope for the future, but it all starts with clearing house in the front office, coaching staff and certainly some players. I am happy with what I see on field at WR, TE and DL. What I don't like are all the mental lapses in the secondary (Landry, i'm staring at you), an OL that many college teams would be ashamed of and some big time chokers at QB and kicker.

And instead of harping on all the "bad luck" that happens to the 'skins, why not start asking why the 'skins can't make the same breaks for themselves? Why can't the 'skins ever make that key interception or stripped ball for TD? I don't care what excuses are given like personnel, fluky bounces or refs. Sometimes you just have to start making the extra hustle plays and have just a more opportunistic mindset in general to make the majority of those "lucky breaks" fall your way. Nothing is worse for a team than to sit back and just believe that your just "snakebit" and do absolutely nothing about it.
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Re: Hail To The Redskins 

Post#1325 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Mon Dec 7, 2009 2:35 pm

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as for the draft, i see nothing wrong with our secondary. we've got hungry guys there. especially next season when chris horton will be back, so landry can move back to SS, we'll be as talented as any other team. if we should improve anyone on the defensive side of the ball it should be to upgrade cornelius griffin. If Griffin was a more credible threat, him and haynesworth would be able to shut any run-game down. them clogging the middle lets orakpo make plays on the QB and fletcher to chase down edge guys.



Did anyone see the Texas-Nebraska game on Saturday night? Suh put in the most dominating game by a college D lineman I've ever seen. Dude is a beast... huge, strong, agile, with an incredible motor. He can shed blocks like nobody's business.

Even though the Skins have Haynesworth and a stable of serviceable guys next to him at tackle and even though we have other, major needs... I'd draft him if we could. Him, big Al and Orakpo could form the starting point of a defense that could be Ravens good... if only we could one guy in the secondary (other than ten-yard-cushion Hall) who can catch a ball.
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Re: Hail To The Redskins 

Post#1326 » by Wizards2Lottery » Mon Dec 7, 2009 2:35 pm

Zorn coaches not to lose and the players play hoping not to screw up. No killer instinct at all. I don't like the way Zorn has been treated but dude is a terrible head coach.

It's good to see Thomas and Davis stepping up though. I'm really loving what Thomas brings to the table. Dude wants to take every pass to the house. Also liked watching Mike Williams at RG. Dude is a road grader.
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Re: Hail To The Redskins 

Post#1327 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Mon Dec 7, 2009 3:02 pm

Gilbert0Arenas wrote:Zorn coaches not to lose and the players play hoping not to screw up. No killer instinct at all. I don't like the way Zorn has been treated but dude is a terrible head coach.



I'm not disagreeing with the basic premise... but I actually thought the play calling prior to Suisham's monumental fail was mostly good.

Because the Saints were out of timeouts, the Skins really should have been running between the tackles. Arguably, against the Saints, a ten point lead with 1:45 or so left is just as good or better than a 14 point lead with close to 3 minutes left.

Having said that... on third down, we essentially had a free play because the clock was going to be stopped by the 2 minute warning. So, we could have bootlegged Campbell and thrown only a safe, sure thing (which probably doesn't exist with this version of the skins).

Also, from the two yard line, with a right footed kicker, you need to run to the left so that he kicks from the left hash. A righty has a natural hook to the left on the ball... so, you want him kicking from the left.

Bottom line... at that point in the game, with the Saints out of timeouts, only two things need to happen to ensure victory (a chip shot field goal and successful handling of an on-side kick). Zorn played it mostly right.
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Re: Hail To The Redskins 

Post#1328 » by mzaretsk » Mon Dec 7, 2009 6:56 pm

lets just hope that this campbell resurgence doesn't interfere with my plan for
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Re: Hail To The Redskins 

Post#1329 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Mon Dec 7, 2009 10:21 pm

mzaretsk wrote:lets just hope that this campbell resurgence doesn't interfere with my plan for
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I don't get it. Let's hope this resurgence doesn't interfere with my plan for...

yet another dropped interception by Carlos Rogers.

Comin' right at you Carlos... duck!!!
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Re: Hail To The Redskins 

Post#1330 » by no D in Hibachi » Mon Dec 7, 2009 10:40 pm

long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:
pancakes3 wrote:
as for the draft, i see nothing wrong with our secondary. we've got hungry guys there. especially next season when chris horton will be back, so landry can move back to SS, we'll be as talented as any other team. if we should improve anyone on the defensive side of the ball it should be to upgrade cornelius griffin. If Griffin was a more credible threat, him and haynesworth would be able to shut any run-game down. them clogging the middle lets orakpo make plays on the QB and fletcher to chase down edge guys.



Did anyone see the Texas-Nebraska game on Saturday night? Suh put in the most dominating game by a college D lineman I've ever seen. Dude is a beast... huge, strong, agile, with an incredible motor. He can shed blocks like nobody's business.

Even though the Skins have Haynesworth and a stable of serviceable guys next to him at tackle and even though we have other, major needs... I'd draft him if we could. Him, big Al and Orakpo could form the starting point of a defense that could be Ravens good... if only we could one guy in the secondary (other than ten-yard-cushion Hall) who can catch a ball.

I'd draft Suh if he was available. He played the second most impressive college game I've ever seen beside the 2006 Rose Bowl game played by Vince Young. There are sometimes players so good that you pick them even if they aren't a need. Ala Jordan when you have Clyde Drexler, or AP when you have CP
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Re: Hail To The Redskins 

Post#1331 » by pancakes3 » Tue Dec 8, 2009 1:14 am

we don't have a shot at suh. he's going to go #1. he's sapp reincarnate - going to the bucs and everything. the other notable defensive players are safeties: mays and berry. good news though, there are a lot (3-4) of OT's on most mock drafts. i'm not really familiar with who they are, but linemen generally pan out well.

spiller's a franchise back, for sure. the rest of tha nation seem like a bunch of bruisers like that alstott clone at stanford, and the beheamoth kid from oregon. it's a shame that mark ingram's not eligible. that kid is forealsies.
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Post#1332 » by MF23 » Tue Dec 8, 2009 8:17 pm

Mays needs to move to olb in the pros. He could be great there.
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Re: Hail To The Redskins 

Post#1333 » by mzaretsk » Tue Dec 8, 2009 10:29 pm

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mzaretsk wrote:lets just hope that this campbell resurgence doesn't interfere with my plan for
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I don't get it. Let's hope this resurgence doesn't interfere with my plan for...

yet another dropped interception by Carlos Rogers.

Comin' right at you Carlos... duck!!!


im just sayin...after he made tebow cry, he should declare. he'll likely go late 2nd or 3rd and i'd be happy to grab him there. i think he'll be a bigtime baller.
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Re: Hail To The Redskins 

Post#1334 » by Wizards2Lottery » Wed Dec 9, 2009 1:35 am

The new head coach (or offensive coordinator) should be able to chose his QB (hopefully). Saunders and Zorn had Campbell shoved down their throats and IMO neither would have wanted him if they had a choice.
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Re: Hail To The Redskins 

Post#1335 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Dec 9, 2009 5:31 am

Campbell had played as well or better than Brees before the kicker missed. He was terrific the first 58 minutes. He completed the pass that Sellers ended up fumbling on. Jason ended up with 367 yards, 3 TDs, and a 111.9 QB rating against New Orleans.

Since Sherman Lewis started calling the plays I really don't see what Campbell has done so poorly.

I don't think QB is the biggest area of need with the Skins.
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Re: Hail To The Redskins 

Post#1336 » by Wizards2Lottery » Wed Dec 9, 2009 6:03 am

CCJ, that was Campbell's best performance EVER. He did that against the other teams 4th and 5th string backups. Franchise QB's have those types of games multiple times a season. Campbell also had multiple chances to lead this team to a last second victory as a Redskin but he's failed each and every time. He has no significant drive of his own where it was HE who lead the team to victory in the dying minutes of an important game.

At the same time, I agree that he's not the biggest problem. I don't think an FA out there can help us more than Campbell. But if the new coaching staff and general manager have faith that a guy in the draft can be a legitimate franchise QB (which Campbell isn't) then in no way you pass on him for a lineman. A franchise QB is the difference between Super Bowl contenders and mediocre teams. We had Chris Samuels and Jon Jansen for years and neither won squat because they were protecting garbage.
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Re: Hail To The Redskins 

Post#1337 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Dec 9, 2009 11:57 pm

The Skins cut Suisham. Dude missed three FGs all year.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=a ... &type=lgns

Suisham made his first 13 field goal attempts this season, but he had vital misses from 39 and 50 yards in the 7-6 loss to Dallas three games ago and was wide right Sunday on a 23-yarder that would have sealed a victory over the unbeaten Saints. New Orleans rallied to win 33-30 in overtime.

Suisham made 18 of 21 attempts this season and 81 of 101 since joining the Redskins in 2006. His 80.2 percent success rate is the best career mark for any Redskins kicker with more than a half-dozen attempts.

We’ve let a good kicker go down the road,” coach Jim Zorn said on his weekly radio show on ESPN980. “Shaun has performed very well. I know he’ll just be upset. He should be, but yet there’s an accountability there. We’ll all end up being accountable for our season, no question about it.”


Snyder is a dumb son of a gun. I know I said fire the kicker in the game thread. Suisham lost the game for sure against New Orleans. The miss against a hated rival Dallas was big.

That said, the Skins will surely go out and sign a worse kicker.

Snyder is a dumbass.

Cut him? Of course. This is what happens in the NFL. Kickers are not treated like the other players. He is lucky they don't get to shoot him.
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Re: Hail To The Redskins 

Post#1338 » by queridiculo » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:24 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Campbell had played as well or better than Brees before the kicker missed. He was terrific the first 58 minutes. He completed the pass that Sellers ended up fumbling on. Jason ended up with 367 yards, 3 TDs, and a 111.9 QB rating against New Orleans.

Since Sherman Lewis started calling the plays I really don't see what Campbell has done so poorly.

I don't think QB is the biggest area of need with the Skins.


Seconded. Based on what I've seen in '08 with a healthy OL and in '09, now that the OL play has settled over the past month, it would appear to me that Campbell can be very productive given the right circumstances.

Is he ever going to be a gun slinger in the mold of Favre that is going to will his team to victory? Probably not , but with protection and a strong running game I don't see how he couldn't be a difference maker.

Of course we'll never find out because Snyder and his racket buddy Cerrato are already plotting on whom to bring it next.

... and so the cycle starts again.
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Re: Hail To The Redskins 

Post#1339 » by VictorPage44 » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:32 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:The Skins cut Suisham. Dude missed three FGs all year.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=a ... &type=lgns

Suisham made his first 13 field goal attempts this season, but he had vital misses from 39 and 50 yards in the 7-6 loss to Dallas three games ago and was wide right Sunday on a 23-yarder that would have sealed a victory over the unbeaten Saints. New Orleans rallied to win 33-30 in overtime.

Suisham made 18 of 21 attempts this season and 81 of 101 since joining the Redskins in 2006. His 80.2 percent success rate is the best career mark for any Redskins kicker with more than a half-dozen attempts.

We’ve let a good kicker go down the road,” coach Jim Zorn said on his weekly radio show on ESPN980. “Shaun has performed very well. I know he’ll just be upset. He should be, but yet there’s an accountability there. We’ll all end up being accountable for our season, no question about it.”


Snyder is a dumb son of a gun. I know I said fire the kicker in the game thread. Suisham lost the game for sure against New Orleans. The miss against a hated rival Dallas was big.

That said, the Skins will surely go out and sign a worse kicker.

Snyder is a dumbass.

Cut him? Of course. This is what happens in the NFL. Kickers are not treated like the other players. He is lucky they don't get to shoot him.
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yet two of the three were absolute choke jobs, on chip shots. 12 of his 18 made field goals are from 35 yards or less. then he has 38, 40, 42, 45, 47, 48 yarders. So he's only made three long field goals all year and has cost the team almost as many games (2).
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Re: Hail To The Redskins 

Post#1340 » by Rafael122 » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:35 am

Yep. Blame Suisham. I think he got an XP blocked this year as well IIRC.
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