Cousins

[FreeBalling]

To put it in perspective:

Robert Griffin has 17 interceptions in his career and Kirk Cousins has 15 interceptions in his career.

RGIII has started in 30 games.

Kirk has started 6.

One issue that needs to be taken into account is that RG-III would have more interceptions if he could pass the ball into a catchable area for the defender or receiver. His passes suck so bad at times NO ONE can catch the ball. His #1 target has been vocal about RG-III ability to throw strikes.

Cousins has limited time with the starting WR's on timing plays, if you are expecting him to be in tip top shape, then I'd say you are not being objective. It's almost like he is a rookie.

I think the Baltimore game must have sent fear into Gruden in regards to RG-III ability to throw passes at the NFL level.

[Wizardspride]

To put it in perspective:

Robert Griffin has 17 interceptions in his career and Kirk Cousins has 15 interceptions in his career.

RGIII has started in 30 games.

Kirk has started 6.

One issue that needs to be taken into account is that RG-III would have more interceptions if he could pass the ball into a catchable area for the defender or receiver. His passes suck so bad at times NO ONE can catch the ball. His #1 target has been vocal about RG-III ability to throw strikes.

Cousins has limited time with the starting WR's on timing plays, if you are expecting him to be in tip top shape, then I'd say you are not being objective. It's almost like he is a rookie.

I think the Baltimore game must have sent fear into Gruden in regards to RG-III ability to throw passes at the NFL level.

I have to disagree with you. Robert is known for his accuracy. Particularly with the deep ball.

And the stats bear that out.

fwiw, Garcon hasn't been vocal about Robert's inability to throw strikes, though he has expressed on-the-field frustration at times. Pretty much like any WR.


Also, I really don't get this comment: "I think the Baltimore game must have sent fear into Gruden in regards to RG-III ability to throw passes at the NFL level"

[doclinkin]

I just want the Wiz to start fast and siphon away attention from the misery that is Redskin fandom. So tired of the stranglehold this losing franchise has on the area's sports/media market. Every year its the same gol-danged thing. Weeks of face-scratching wailing and moaning about dashed hopes and desperation. Oohhh, woe is Redskins.

The Wiz playing well out of the gate, at the same time the Nats play well (knock wood) might help break the addiction of abuse and recovery of the team under that smug lil' punk Snyder's watch. Get some excitement in the building, get a rowdy and loyal fanbase and get a little more respect, well earned and durable.

As for the most recent pigskins game: offensive line, offensive line, offensive line. You're going to need a new quarterback every couple of years if you don't invest where the knuckles hit the turf. Build from the inside out. O-line, then D-line, then add razzle dazzle and sizzle elsewhere. At its base this game is about big strong dudes smacking into each other trying to claim ground. If you win that battle every time, you win the rest. Doesn't really matter who is back there if they are getting jumpy knowing that levee is leaking and the flood's about to burst in.

[FreeBalling]

Also, I really don't get this comment "I think the Baltimore game must have sent fear into Gruden in regards to RG-III ability to throw passes at the NFL level

O-Yea, come on... 5/8 passing sounds great right?

For 20 yards

One pick (INT)

2.5 avg per pass.

3 sacks for 15 yards. 20-15 = 5 yards down field.

27.1 RTG


What part were you confused on? I fail to see the down field passing. Has Robert made long passes. Yes. Is he skilled at it at the NFL level. Not in the last two years. Maybe he will return back to year one passer in year four.

[W. Unseld]

RG3 was definitely more accurate than people gave him credit for in 2012. And certainly no one expected him to come back as fast after injury, but this is the Redskins so there had to be some tragic twist--he didn't just come back slower, he somehow came back less accurate as well.


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[DCZards]

Also, I really don't get this comment "I think the Baltimore game must have sent fear into Gruden in regards to RG-III ability to throw passes at the NFL level

O-Yea, come on... 5/8 passing sounds great right?

For 20 yards

One pick (INT)

2.5 avg per pass.

3 sacks for 15 yards. 20-15 = 5 yards down field.

27.1 RTG


What part were you confused on? I fail to see the down field passing. Has Robert made long passes. Yes. Is he skilled at it at the NFL level. Not in the last two years. Maybe he will return back to year one passer in year four.

I wouldn't put too much stock in stats from a preseason game.

[Dat2U]

Also, I really don't get this comment "I think the Baltimore game must have sent fear into Gruden in regards to RG-III ability to throw passes at the NFL level

O-Yea, come on... 5/8 passing sounds great right?

For 20 yards

One pick (INT)

2.5 avg per pass.

3 sacks for 15 yards. 20-15 = 5 yards down field.

27.1 RTG


What part were you confused on? I fail to see the down field passing. Has Robert made long passes. Yes. Is he skilled at it at the NFL level. Not in the last two years. Maybe he will return back to year one passer in year four.

Continuing to grind that axe huh? I really never understood the RG3 hate that a small chunk of the fan base has embraced. It would seem like most Redskins fans would want the 'franchise QB' to succeed, but I guess that would be asking for too much. I bet you'll now figure out a way to prop up Colt McCoy as a option since your boy Kirk got exposed.

[Dat2U]

RG3 was definitely more accurate than people gave him credit for in 2012. And certainly no one expected him to come back as fast after injury, but this is the Redskins so there had to be some tragic twist--he didn't just come back slower, he somehow came back less accurate as well.


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I think not stepping into & finishing his throws has a lot to do it. He's been hesitant to do it since he initially came back from injury.

That's a lack of confidence. That's a sign of a QB that's afraid of getting hurt.

[hands11]

RG3 was definitely more accurate than people gave him credit for in 2012. And certainly no one expected him to come back as fast after injury, but this is the Redskins so there had to be some tragic twist--he didn't just come back slower, he somehow came back less accurate as well.


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I think not stepping into & finishing his throws has a lot to do it. He's been hesitant to do it since he initially came back from injury.

That's a lack of confidence. That's a sign of a QB that's afraid of getting hurt.

The team has been under sanctions for the last couple years. RG3 injured.

They are a couple years away still but I feel better about them now then over the last 10 years. It might be another bad season but that ok. They need picks so they can keep building out the talent level. RG3 and Cousins need reps to get better.

[lastemp3ror]

I want both RG3 and Cousins to succeed, as any fan should. That way we have two viable options and one potential trade chip.

In regards to Cousins last performance, it sucked. However I am not going to say, like some on here, that this performance shows us what we should expect of him. Just like I am not going to say that since RG3 sucked all of last season, that he can't be a great QB.

What I am scared of is that both may not be viable starting QB's going forward. Cousins due to decision making like Rex Grossman and RG3 due to be injured all the time.

Here is a question for all of you. If you could go back in time, would you still make that trade with St. Louis to get RG3? Now knowing what you know? For me, as much as I want RG3 to succeed, I wouldn't make that trade. This is his third major surgery in 4/5 years.

[Induveca]

Three major surgeries in a 5 year period is Arenas part 2.

There is just a point where upside is washed away by recurring injury/surgeries in the same region.

He was a phenom based on his ultra athleticism, that is now gone.

[Higga]

Cousins makes more challenging throws, that's why he throws picks. If he can learn his limits he could still be a good one. I like that when we're down late though, he actually tries to make throws to get the team back into it. RG3 just completes easy passes to pad his stats but give the team no chance to actually win.

Knowing what we know now, there is no way we make that RG3 trade again. I would instead trade down, shore up the OL and secondary, and draft Russ Wilson in the 2nd or early 3rd round.

[Wizardspride]

Three major surgeries in a 5 year period is Arenas part 2.

There is just a point where upside is washed away by recurring injury/surgeries in the same region.

He was a phenom based on his ultra athleticism, that is now gone.

Personally, I don't think this has been proven...yet.

[Wizardspride]

Cousins makes more challenging throws, that's why he throws picks. If he can learn his limits he could still be a good one. I like that when we're down late though, he actually tries to make throws to get the team back into it. RG3 just completes easy passes to pad his stats but give the team no chance to actually win.

Cousins makes "more challenging throws with an average arm, that's why he throws picks".

[Dat2U]

Cousins makes more challenging throws, that's why he throws picks. If he can learn his limits he could still be a good one. I like that when we're down late though, he actually tries to make throws to get the team back into it. RG3 just completes easy passes to pad his stats but give the team no chance to actually win.

Cousins gives you NO chance to win turning the ball over like he does.

And guys like Peyton & Tom B. have made a career of making easy passes and Eli made a whole bunch of easy passes last week against us.

[Ruzious]

I want both RG3 and Cousins to succeed, as any fan should. That way we have two viable options and one potential trade chip.

In regards to Cousins last performance, it sucked. However I am not going to say, like some on here, that this performance shows us what we should expect of him. Just like I am not going to say that since RG3 sucked all of last season, that he can't be a great QB.

What I am scared of is that both may not be viable starting QB's going forward. Cousins due to decision making like Rex Grossman and RG3 due to be injured all the time.

Here is a question for all of you. If you could go back in time, would you still make that trade with St. Louis to get RG3? Now knowing what you know? For me, as much as I want RG3 to succeed, I wouldn't make that trade. This is his third major surgery in 4/5 years.

The one thing about him I would change if I could is the Shannys leaving him in the Seattle game when it was clear he was injured. This was actually before he threw the 2nd TD pass, imo, but it was painfully obvious by halftime, and absurd in the second half. Competitive players aren't going to want to come out of the biggest game of their lives. Coaches have to protect them. When they don't, you sever the coach/player relationship and end up needing surgery.

[DCZards]

Cousins makes more challenging throws, that's why he throws picks. If he can learn his limits he could still be a good one. I like that when we're down late though, he actually tries to make throws to get the team back into it. RG3 just completes easy passes to pad his stats but give the team no chance to actually win.

In Seattle's overtime win over Denver a couple of Sundays ago the Seahawks got the ball in OT and basically marched down the field and into the end zone on the basis of three 10-12 yard runs by Russell Wilson. That's what gives you the best chance to win---a QB who can make plays with his legs when the play breaks down or no one is open. RG3 can do that. Cousins has yet to prove that he can.

[lastemp3ror]

Cousins makes more challenging throws, that's why he throws picks. If he can learn his limits he could still be a good one. I like that when we're down late though, he actually tries to make throws to get the team back into it. RG3 just completes easy passes to pad his stats but give the team no chance to actually win.

In Seattle's overtime win over Denver a couple of Sundays ago the Seahawks got the ball in OT and basically marched down the field and into the end zone on the basis of three 10-12 yard runs by Russell Wilson. That's what gives you the best chance to win---a QB who can make plays with his legs when the play breaks down or no one is open. RG3 can do that. Cousins has yet to prove that he can.

I have also seen several plays where RG3 couldn't make the play either. An elite QB isn't measured by their speed on the ground. Yes RG3 is a better athlete than Cousins, but that doesn't necessarily mean he is the better QB. There are instances where an athlete is too explosive for his own good. A great example of that is Derrick Rose.

If RG3 has a relatively healthy career ahead of him, I would rather have RG3 as my QB. However it would be stupid to bet that he would be relatively healthy going forward.

The larger issue here is Snyder. He doesn't respect his draft picks and building through them. He either trades them for some guy at the end of his career, or trades all of them for one rookie. He put all of his eggs in one basket, and now because of it we have a QB who hasn't had a fully healthy season yet. Partly because we don't have the draft picks to get offensive lineman to keep RG3 upright.

[Kanyewest]

Redskins went last week from being maybe one of the better teams in the NFC East to without question the worst team in the NFC East. it is one game for Cousins, but the defense has shown itself to be horrendous. Funny that after the Redskins have cut Rambo and Merriwether has returned, the defense has returned to form as the putrid one that we have known the past couple of years. Of course, losing DeAngelo Hall doesn't help either.

[DCZards]

The larger issue here is Snyder. He doesn't respect his draft picks and building through them. He either trades them for some guy at the end of his career, or trades all of them for one rookie. He put all of his eggs in one basket, and now because of it we have a QB who hasn't had a fully healthy season yet. Partly because we don't have the draft picks to get offensive lineman to keep RG3 upright.

I find this 20/20 hindsight remarkable. Were you opposed to giving up those picks for RG3 at the time? If RG3 had stayed healthy and played like he did his rookie season would you be complaining about the draft picks the Skins gave up to get him? Football is a brutal sport. Guys get hurt. I'm no fan of Danny Boy but I can't blame him for that.