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Re: Darvin Ham hired as coach. update: Sheed Wallace not joining 

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Re: Darvin Ham hired as coach. update: Sheed Wallace not joining 

Post#123 » by Jedi32 » Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:29 pm

Smh was looking forward to having sheed on the staff.
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Re: Darvin Ham hired as coach. update: Sheed Wallace not joining 

Post#124 » by tamaraw08 » Mon Jul 25, 2022 9:05 pm

Jedi32 wrote:Smh was looking forward to having sheed on the staff.


Can't help but wonder why he is not coming. Jeannie probably offered him too much money. :banghead: :nonono:
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Re: Darvin Ham hired as coach. update: Sheed Wallace not joining 

Post#125 » by Kilroy » Wed Jul 27, 2022 3:21 pm

However, with LeBron James he would make a special concession that would allow the King to be the only Laker allowed to disobey him.

"I don't really know what sacrifice means for LeBron James on this Lakers team because if it means giving the ball up to other people, I'm not sure that's a good idea. I kind of want LeBron to have the ball basically all the time, every possession, run the show", stated Ham according to ESPN via Fade Away World.


So more stale, predictable offense is the answer...

Atta boy Darvin...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/lebron-james-special-allowance-on-the-lakers-not-given-to-russell-westbrook-and-anthony-davis/ar-AA100rsp?cvid=39944211565b43a990d26c92a1d98eb5
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Re: Darvin Ham hired as coach. update: Sheed Wallace not joining 

Post#126 » by sonnyhill » Thu Jul 28, 2022 8:26 pm

Kilroy wrote:
However, with LeBron James he would make a special concession that would allow the King to be the only Laker allowed to disobey him.

"I don't really know what sacrifice means for LeBron James on this Lakers team because if it means giving the ball up to other people, I'm not sure that's a good idea. I kind of want LeBron to have the ball basically all the time, every possession, run the show", stated Ham according to ESPN via Fade Away World.


So more stale, predictable offense is the answer...

Atta boy Darvin...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/lebron-james-special-allowance-on-the-lakers-not-given-to-russell-westbrook-and-anthony-davis/ar-AA100rsp?cvid=39944211565b43a990d26c92a1d98eb5


Let's give Darvin Ham a chance to implement his "system" and then evaluate.

Having the offense initiated by LeBron works, but only if LeBron is surrounded by shooters.

If the offense is again "stale, predictable," then, yes, the team has a serious problem.
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Re: Darvin Ham hired as coach. update: Sheed Wallace not joining 

Post#127 » by Ball so hard » Thu Jul 28, 2022 8:42 pm

Kilroy wrote:
However, with LeBron James he would make a special concession that would allow the King to be the only Laker allowed to disobey him.

"I don't really know what sacrifice means for LeBron James on this Lakers team because if it means giving the ball up to other people, I'm not sure that's a good idea. I kind of want LeBron to have the ball basically all the time, every possession, run the show", stated Ham according to ESPN via Fade Away World.


So more stale, predictable offense is the answer...

Atta boy Darvin...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/lebron-james-special-allowance-on-the-lakers-not-given-to-russell-westbrook-and-anthony-davis/ar-AA100rsp?cvid=39944211565b43a990d26c92a1d98eb5


I said shortly after his introductory press conference that I wasn’t impressed. I didn’t get the impression we’ll see anything new. I hope he’s successful, but for now I remain skeptical.
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Re: Darvin Ham hired as coach. update: Sheed Wallace not joining 

Post#128 » by Kilroy » Thu Jul 28, 2022 9:32 pm

sonnyhill wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
However, with LeBron James he would make a special concession that would allow the King to be the only Laker allowed to disobey him.

"I don't really know what sacrifice means for LeBron James on this Lakers team because if it means giving the ball up to other people, I'm not sure that's a good idea. I kind of want LeBron to have the ball basically all the time, every possession, run the show", stated Ham according to ESPN via Fade Away World.


So more stale, predictable offense is the answer...

Atta boy Darvin...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/lebron-james-special-allowance-on-the-lakers-not-given-to-russell-westbrook-and-anthony-davis/ar-AA100rsp?cvid=39944211565b43a990d26c92a1d98eb5


Let's give Darvin Ham a chance to implement his "system" and then evaluate.

Having the offense initiated by LeBron works, but only if LeBron is surrounded by shooters.

If the offense is again "stale, predictable," then, yes, the team has a serious problem.


Surrounding LeBron with shooters no longer works, because he's not drawing double and triple teams on the perimeter anymore. He's not a major shooting threat from behind the arc so defenders can camp out on him and be prepared to collapse if he drives.

By nature an "LeBron having the ball basically, all the time" offense, no matter how it's implemented, is predictable and stale... We've seen so much of that over the last 3 years and it's getting less and less effective with age.
leBron dribbles with his back to the basket at the 3 pt line for 15secs and then shoots, or if he can't break free, throws a pass to anyone close and hopes they're free enough to hit a 3 or pass it back to him...

It's ugly and it's stale, and it slows the game way down... Which isn't good because he's also a terrible defender at this point...

You have to 'surround LeBron' with defenders at this point first... Then find a shooter or 2 in the mix for him to panic-dump the ball to at the last second.

That's why guys like KCP, Caruso, and AD when he was in the conversation for DPY, all looked like superstars on our LeBron teams... Because they could defend AND hit the occasional 3.
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Re: Darvin Ham hired as coach. update: Sheed Wallace not joining 

Post#129 » by tamaraw08 » Fri Jul 29, 2022 3:08 pm

Kilroy wrote:
sonnyhill wrote:


Let's give Darvin Ham a chance to implement his "system" and then evaluate.

Having the offense initiated by LeBron works, but only if LeBron is surrounded by shooters.

If the offense is again "stale, predictable," then, yes, the team has a serious problem.


Surrounding LeBron with shooters no longer works, because he's not drawing double and triple teams on the perimeter anymore. He's not a major shooting threat from behind the arc so defenders can camp out on him and be prepared to collapse if he drives.

By nature an "LeBron having the ball basically, all the time" offense, no matter how it's implemented, is predictable and stale... We've seen so much of that over the last 3 years and it's getting less and less effective with age.
leBron dribbles with his back to the basket at the 3 pt line for 15secs and then shoots, or if he can't break free, throws a pass to anyone close and hopes they're free enough to hit a 3 or pass it back to him...

It's ugly and it's stale, and it slows the game way down... Which isn't good because he's also a terrible defender at this point...

You have to 'surround LeBron' with defenders at this point first... Then find a shooter or 2 in the mix for him to panic-dump the ball to at the last second.

That's why guys like KCP, Caruso, and AD when he was in the conversation for DPY, all looked like superstars on our LeBron teams... Because they could defend AND hit the occasional 3.

I don't disagree. If Ham have the guts to show Lebron a collection of game film on how ineffective their offense was when he dribbles too much, hand him that stat sheet, then they have a chance. I heard Lue got James' respect when he did that to him in Cleveland. The only player with a full contract I know right now who can shoot is Nunn, unless Rob can indeed find another shooter or 2 or they promote Swider.
The hope is that they play great defense by forcing turnovers via deflections etc, switch to shooters on time then run and get transition baskets utilizing their 5-7 young athletic recruits. The problem I see is how they react when opposing teams really pack it in and dare these non shooters to make any move with VERY CLOGGED driving lanes.
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Re: Darvin Ham hired as coach. update: Sheed Wallace not joining 

Post#130 » by sonnyhill » Fri Jul 29, 2022 5:04 pm

tamaraw08 wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
sonnyhill wrote:
Let's give Darvin Ham a chance to implement his "system" and then evaluate.

Having the offense initiated by LeBron works, but only if LeBron is surrounded by shooters.

If the offense is again "stale, predictable," then, yes, the team has a serious problem.


Surrounding LeBron with shooters no longer works, because he's not drawing double and triple teams on the perimeter anymore. He's not a major shooting threat from behind the arc so defenders can camp out on him and be prepared to collapse if he drives.

By nature an "LeBron having the ball basically, all the time" offense, no matter how it's implemented, is predictable and stale... We've seen so much of that over the last 3 years and it's getting less and less effective with age.
leBron dribbles with his back to the basket at the 3 pt line for 15secs and then shoots, or if he can't break free, throws a pass to anyone close and hopes they're free enough to hit a 3 or pass it back to him...

It's ugly and it's stale, and it slows the game way down... Which isn't good because he's also a terrible defender at this point...

You have to 'surround LeBron' with defenders at this point first... Then find a shooter or 2 in the mix for him to panic-dump the ball to at the last second.

That's why guys like KCP, Caruso, and AD when he was in the conversation for DPY, all looked like superstars on our LeBron teams... Because they could defend AND hit the occasional 3.

I don't disagree. If Ham have the guts to show Lebron a collection of game film on how ineffective their offense was when he dribbles too much, hand him that stat sheet, then they have a chance. I heard Lue got James' respect when he did that to him in Cleveland. The only player with a full contract I know right now who can shoot is Nunn, unless Rob can indeed find another shooter or 2 or they promote Swider.
The hope is that they play great defense by forcing turnovers via deflections etc, switch to shooters on time then run and get transition baskets utilizing their 5-7 young athletic recruits. The problem I see is how they react when opposing teams really pack it in and dare these non shooters to make any move with VERY CLOGGED driving lanes.


Great analysis, Kilroy and Tamaraw08. I do not disagree with either of you on what you have posted.

What are the alternatives to what Coach Ham is advocating?

Play LeBron on the wing?

Play LeBron on the block?

Both will then require Westbrook to go back to being a ball distributor.

The roster, as it is currently constructed, just seems to odd-and-ill fitting.
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Re: Darvin Ham hired as coach. update: Sheed Wallace not joining 

Post#131 » by stan francisco » Sat Jul 30, 2022 4:01 am

Play LBJ in the post as a passing PF. Run a few simple triangle sets. Use Davis as a wing. Scream at rest of team until they move off the ball.
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Re: Darvin Ham hired as coach. update: Sheed Wallace not joining 

Post#132 » by stan francisco » Tue Aug 2, 2022 11:36 pm

I wonder why Sheed left. I don’t like it. He’s a no nonsense kind of guy. Tells me there’s nonsense going on.
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