Trade ideas using Beverly, Nunn, and smaller contracts

[tamaraw08]

Don't give up any picks on any trades with AD out with an indefinite return... At least a month, puts us at the end of Jan, that doesn't leave a whole lot of time to figure it out again...

What does not giving up on any picks and waiting until end of January accomplish? They make no moves, for the next 30 games, and they go 10 wins and 20 losses, they would be definitely out of the playoffs.
They do everything possible and help this team bolster the lineup like getting a legit big who patrols the middle like Turner and a certified shooter like Hield and they have a chance to go like 16-14, AD comes back rested and hopefully healthy, then they have a chance at the playoffs.

Meanwhile other superstars like Doncic, Giannis, SGA and taking notice at theIR FULL COMMITMENT to help Lebron the best chances to win. You don't make a move and no superstar in their right mind would consider joining this team.
I understand those 2 picks are important but it's not like they have ZERO PICKS the next 5-7 years. They have a low FRP coming and still either '24 or '25, '26 and '28 and ALL 2nd round picks where they hopefully find the next Clarkson, Hart, Kuz, even undrafted ones like Caruso and Reaves and BTW, their payroll would be clean by 2025.

Without AD, there's no available talent that will make this team a legit championship contender.... So it's not smart to burn future assets in what amounts to virtue signaling...

Wait, Without AD...for how long? Do you have inside info that he's out for the whole season?

[DanishLakerFan]

Don't give up any picks on any trades with AD out with an indefinite return... At least a month, puts us at the end of Jan, that doesn't leave a whole lot of time to figure it out again...

What does not giving up on any picks and waiting until end of January accomplish? They make no moves, for the next 30 games, and they go 10 wins and 20 losses, they would be definitely out of the playoffs.
They do everything possible and help this team bolster the lineup like getting a legit big who patrols the middle like Turner and a certified shooter like Hield and they have a chance to go like 16-14, AD comes back rested and hopefully healthy, then they have a chance at the playoffs.

Meanwhile other superstars like Doncic, Giannis, SGA and taking notice at theIR FULL COMMITMENT to help Lebron the best chances to win. You don't make a move and no superstar in their right mind would consider joining this team.
I understand those 2 picks are important but it's not like they have ZERO PICKS the next 5-7 years. They have a low FRP coming and still either '24 or '25, '26 and '28 and ALL 2nd round picks where they hopefully find the next Clarkson, Hart, Kuz, even undrafted ones like Caruso and Reaves and BTW, their payroll would be clean by 2025.

Without AD, there's no available talent that will make this team a legit championship contender.... So it's not smart to burn future assets in what amounts to virtue signaling...

Several of the proposed/rumored trades would enable the Lakers to stay afloat until AD returns, and just about all teams in the west are struggling right now.
But who the **** are they hoping suddenly becomes available for Westy? Beal or LaVine? Two of the most toxic contracts in the league? The front office is such a **** show.

And why are those picks so valuable? For a team that refuse to tank and can plan their way out of the missing picks, who cares.

[Kilroy]

What does not giving up on any picks and waiting until end of January accomplish? They make no moves, for the next 30 games, and they go 10 wins and 20 losses, they would be definitely out of the playoffs.
They do everything possible and help this team bolster the lineup like getting a legit big who patrols the middle like Turner and a certified shooter like Hield and they have a chance to go like 16-14, AD comes back rested and hopefully healthy, then they have a chance at the playoffs.

Meanwhile other superstars like Doncic, Giannis, SGA and taking notice at theIR FULL COMMITMENT to help Lebron the best chances to win. You don't make a move and no superstar in their right mind would consider joining this team.
I understand those 2 picks are important but it's not like they have ZERO PICKS the next 5-7 years. They have a low FRP coming and still either '24 or '25, '26 and '28 and ALL 2nd round picks where they hopefully find the next Clarkson, Hart, Kuz, even undrafted ones like Caruso and Reaves and BTW, their payroll would be clean by 2025.

Without AD, there's no available talent that will make this team a legit championship contender.... So it's not smart to burn future assets in what amounts to virtue signaling...

Wait, Without AD...for how long? Do you have inside info that he's out for the whole season?

No inside info, but I'd bet even if he does come back, he's not nearly the player he was before he went down... Players who are "out at least a month" rarely come back anywhere near what they were, in the same season... If they're down that long, they usually need a summer off to get fully healthy... And we've seen over the last few seasons, that not fully healthy AD is rather unimpressive...

Honestly, I'd be shocked if AD came back and looked anything like what he looked before the injury...

And almost worse than that... When AD's out, LeBron goes into full-iso mode... He's been shown to have a really hard time turning that off once he turns it on... He doesn't usually go back to pass-first mode until ha also has some time off...
So even if AD does come back healthy this season, it's going to be tough for LeBron and Westbrook to relearn how to feed him first again.

So yeah... Making a trade now, with the intent of improving the pieces around LeBron and AD is fine, as long as you're not leveraging your future on a pipe dream about this years championship run.

[Landsberger]

WITH AD there was no real shot at a title this year. The elephant in the room is Bron's game isn't what it used to be and he still thinks it is.... just like all aging superstars it seems.

[DanishLakerFan]

Without AD, there's no available talent that will make this team a legit championship contender.... So it's not smart to burn future assets in what amounts to virtue signaling...

Wait, Without AD...for how long? Do you have inside info that he's out for the whole season?

No inside info, but I'd bet even if he does come back, he's not nearly the player he was before he went down... Players who are "out at least a month" rarely come back anywhere near what they were, in the same season... If they're down that long, they usually need a summer off to get fully healthy... And we've seen over the last few seasons, that not fully healthy AD is rather unimpressive...

Honestly, I'd be shocked if AD came back and looked anything like what he looked before the injury...

And almost worse than that... When AD's out, LeBron goes into full-iso mode... He's been shown to have a really hard time turning that off once he turns it on... He doesn't usually go back to pass-first mode until ha also has some time off...
So even if AD does come back healthy this season, it's going to be tough for LeBron and Westbrook to relearn how to feed him first again.

So yeah... Making a trade now, with the intent of improving the pieces around LeBron and AD is fine, as long as you're not leveraging your future on a pipe dream about this years championship run.

First of all, it isn't just this year. The 20-some million in cap room this summer isn't enough to acquire anyone in free agency that's worth waiting for. Trading for quality pieces now would allow the Lakers to resign those guys using bird rights instead.

Second of all, for a team that refuse to tank (because they are run by muppets) i dont think those picks are all that important that far out in the future because you can easily work your way around being bad those seasons. I know there is an opportunity cost. But that goes both ways. Myles Turner and Buddy Hield would have given the Lakers a lot more wins by now and enough of a cushion that perhaps AD wouldn't have to play himself into the ground. Given how we looked against the Bucks and how bad the west has been, who knows how the playoffs turn out. In the summer, resign Myles and use MLE on best available wing and we'd be good to go.

Also, pick any of those proposed deals - Indy, Chicago, Utah, SA, Washington etc. They all would allow the Lakers to have max cap space in 2025, 2026 etc. in order to retool around AD/Lebron. OR build around new FAs. Giannis and Tatum are available in 2025. Just saying.

[tamaraw08]

Without AD, there's no available talent that will make this team a legit championship contender.... So it's not smart to burn future assets in what amounts to virtue signaling...

Wait, Without AD...for how long? Do you have inside info that he's out for the whole season?

No inside info, but I'd bet even if he does come back, he's not nearly the player he was before he went down... Players who are "out at least a month" rarely come back anywhere near what they were, in the same season... If they're down that long, they usually need a summer off to get fully healthy... And we've seen over the last few seasons, that not fully healthy AD is rather unimpressive...

Honestly, I'd be shocked if AD came back and looked anything like what he looked before the injury...

And almost worse than that... When AD's out, LeBron goes into full-iso mode... He's been shown to have a really hard time turning that off once he turns it on... He doesn't usually go back to pass-first mode until ha also has some time off...
So even if AD does come back healthy this season, it's going to be tough for LeBron and Westbrook to relearn how to feed him first again.

So yeah... Making a trade now, with the intent of improving the pieces around LeBron and AD is fine, as long as you're not leveraging your future on a pipe dream about this years championship run.

Your prognosis are very bleak but I must admit that they are very plausible. AD also went down 2 seasons ago but he also came back very strong and dominated the Suns in the playoffs....until he got injured again. so it's not impossible that he can get play well but yes, it's going to take some time and it's just a matter of time that he'll get injured again but the question is when again.
Yes, Lebron has been in those ugly iso mode and I really believe that it has something to do with his type of teammates he has. Give him shooters and he'll dish it out just like he did in Cleveland. Cavs were like top 5 in ORTG from 2014-'18.
Very hard to give up the rock to Russ who makes very stupid decisions like jacking up 17 footers early in the shot clock clunking them 80% of the time. Schroder is not a reliable shooter either.