vs Grizzlies, 01/13 6:30PM PST, FSN, AM570

[tayzer]

Odom isn't a second option, and when the coaching staff asks him to be a 2nd option, he just plays like cr2p. Let him do what he does best, being a role player. I rather have him rebound a defer to Kobe, then shooting brick layups. Hopefully, Fisher or someone else can step up while Bynum is gone.

[Slava]

My biggest knock on Odom will always be his inconsistency rather than anything else. How else can you explain the mistakes he made today after he gave a stellar performance against a much tougher opposition like the Hornets while pitted against David West?

[SashAlex]

My biggest knock on Odom will always be his inconsistency rather than anything else. How else can you explain the mistakes he made today after he gave a stellar performance against a much tougher opposition like the Hornets while pitted against David West?

This is Odom !

[jimmywolfrey]

i hope bynum's injury is not that serious 'cause we're in big trouble with kwame at the Center position.

yeah kinda like the last two years...with Kwame at Center..lakers were in trouble

Bynum definitely can take the lakers to the next level..this simply keeps the Lakers on the same level as they were before. Fisher is a major upgrade at the PG position and Ariza brings something that Evans/Cook couldn't length & defense at the same time. I think even without Bynum the Lakers are still better than they were last year and the year before.

[jimmywolfrey]

Damn, Kwame did everything he could to get the Grizzlies a win.

Like what? he played great when he was in there. He actually gave the Lakers a defensive lift.

[jimmywolfrey]

For all the people who think that Kobe makes everything so easy for Bynum, I hope they realize you have to have a guy that can take advantage of it. The Lakers are not the same without Bynum period end of story. Without Bynum the offense and defense was terrible. I hope he gets healthy fast because the Lakers need him badly.

you mean the defense was excellent with Kwame and the offense was terrible.

[jimmywolfrey]

It's kinda funny when Kwame missed the dunk, he grabbed his eyes but he never got hit.. LMAO He couln't believe how ugly it was either..

um he got poked in the eye..

[jimmywolfrey]

This is very bad day for Lakers. With out Bynum, we are worse than last year. Kwame has regressed and we should look to make a trade for Ben if he is out for extended time.

Um Kwame is coming back from an injury..he looked good last night especially defensively. I mean he got poked in the eye on the dunk.. i guess a blind man could have dunked that though .

[jimmywolfrey]

My take from the game is that Memphis can score in bunches. They have the recipe to do it. They just need Conley to improve his shooting. He is so young though its going to be interesting if Gasol is happy enough to wait until Conley grows up a little bit. Mike Miller is an interesting player who would be an excellent 3rd option on a team with a superstar and a dominant low post player. Hmmm.... Navarro and Miller are definitely top 15-20 in the league in shooting.. it looks so natural and effortless out there.

Lakers scored well in the first half due to their bench playing well along with the starters. Farmer is a sparkplug. Odom likes to float on his jumpers which probably why he is so inconsistent shooting. Its like throwing a baseball while running and while standing still.

The biggest problem with bynum's injury is that he gives us so many easy baskets by just being tall and long. That will kill any runs that the other teams go on. Kwame makes everything a choir when things are supposed to be easy putting the ball in the basket.

Much like how Kwame's injury opened the door for Bynum's coming out party, it will give Kwame the minutes he needs to get himself back into the swing of things. So if Bynum's injury isn't that bad, they might both be firing on all cylinders come playoff time.

[semi-sentient]

Was it really a bad call at the end of the game? Check out what the rules state, and if I'm not mistaken, Kwame stood his ground. He had position, and he jumped vertically.

Posted on the in the General section game thread:

Not saying it was the correct call just throwing this out there for the Lakers-Grizzlies game

VERTICALITY-Verticality applies to a legal position. The basic components of the principle of verticality are:
Legal guarding position must be established and attained initially, and movement thereafter must be legal;
From this position, the defender may rise or jump vertically and occupy the space within his or her vertical plane;
The hands and arms of the defender may be raised within his or her vertical plane while the defender is on the floor or in the air;
The defender should not be penalized for leaving the floor vertically or having his or her hands and arms extended within the vertical plane;
The offensive player whether on the floor or airborne may not clear out or cause contact that is a foul;
The defender may not "belly up" or use the lower part of the body or arms to cause contact that is a foul outside his or her vertical plane.

http://www.hoopsvibe.com/basketball-coa ... ar419.html

[Slava]

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Like what? he played great when he was in there. He actually gave the Lakers a defensive lift.

Bricking easy lay ups.

Missing wide open dunks and acting like someone poked in his eyes.

Fouling jump shooters.

Clanking FTs.

Yeah he sure did give us a lift.

[jimmywolfrey]

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Bricking easy lay ups.

Missing wide open dunks and acting like someone poked in his eyes.

Fouling jump shooters.

Clanking FTs.

Yeah he sure did give us a lift.

Right now your prejudice is just showing..... yes he missed the dunk but he definitely got poked in the eye.

yup fouling jump shooters...is the reason why he played bad. Not like anyone else does that now and then.

The one free throw he made won the game.

Yes his 3 blocks and other altered shots didn't help the team win. The Lakers played well when he was in the game. I mean he was +7

[jimmywolfrey]

Was it really a bad call at the end of the game? Check out what the rules state, and if I'm not mistaken, Kwame stood his ground. He had position, and he jumped vertically.

Posted on the in the General section game thread:

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According to the rules it wasn't a foul but if it was iverson doing the same thing against Kwame..you better believe the ref would have called the foul. It was actually good defense but more times than not they'd normally call that a foul.

[incontrol__]

Ehh. There's been tons of times that Kobe's not gotten a less arguable foul.

We deserved this win, Memphis didn't. Simple as that, IMO.

[commadoor 64]

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According to the rules it wasn't a foul but if it was iverson doing the same thing against Kwame..you better believe the ref would have called the foul. It was actually good defense but more times than not they'd normally call that a foul.

I'm biased but, I totally disagree, it was a foul.

Besides Kwame was camped out in the restricted area for the entire 7.5 seconds left on the clock, not guarding anyone. Odom was on Pau outside the lane. How about at least the defensive three second violation technical freethrow.

just watch.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=280113013

[jimmywolfrey]

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I'm biased but, I totally disagree, it was a foul.

Besides Kwame was camped out in the restricted area for the entire 7.5 seconds left on the clock, not guarding anyone. Odom was on Pau outside the lane. How about at least the defensive three second violation technical freethrow.

just watch.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=280113013

actually no... Kwame was on Pau... great way to twist what you see...lol

nice try.

He was in the restricted area that is a given..but he didn't hack lowry on the arm or head..didn't poke him in the eye... lowry simply jumped into Kwame..Kwame jumped straight up... thats it. I mean thats always a good play by the offensive player since the refs only will call a blocking or nothing.

[Slava]

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Right now your prejudice is just showing..... yes he missed the dunk but he definitely got poked in the eye.

yup fouling jump shooters...is the reason why he played bad. Not like anyone else does that now and then.

The one free throw he made won the game.

Yes his 3 blocks and other altered shots didn't help the team win. The Lakers played well when he was in the game. I mean he was +7

I would give credit to Kwame when he plays good but he was bad yesterday and I'm not going to refrain from pointing it out.