Ronny signs offer sheet with GSW. 4yr/17mil

[Italianhanger]

carl landry
i know hl shouldnt judge a player but the man is big at a legit 6'9 muscular frame

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Wh-bPQBWWs

[That Nicka]

LOL at people who just assume we will be able to pick up Landry, Thomas or Zo... First of all Landry is restricted and was one of the better subs in the entire league when he got PT... Houston will match...

And why do people just assume we will be able to pry Thomas and Zo from San An or Miami??? I'd rather have a 25 year old than a 35 year old anyway

Amd when we dont get either of them we will have to settle for Vladimir as our backup PF... that'll be fun

[Italianhanger]

Oo the caveman would be an awesome backup pf, i bet
pfft
i guess a sign and trade is what the lakers have to look at...
since a quality player isnt available on the market anymore for what we are offering...

posey is the only player people are hyping up... 2rings in 3years but he's always been playing for a contract but now he's going big

who else is out there?

[dockingsched]

so, ronny's deal is reportedly front loaded with a 1st year salary of 5 million. the article says it makes it more complicated to match but i think the opposite is true. his salary will be declining by the time bynum gets his extension. turiaf will be on a 3yr/12mil deal once bynum gets his extension.

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/ ... ntloaded/#

Ronny Turiaf's deal is structured in a "slightly frontloaded" manner, according to agent Mark Bartelstein, which will make matching the deal even more problematic for the Lakers.

Assuming Turiaf's salary for next season is around $5 million, the Lakers would effectively be paying $10 million for a backup who would receive limited playing time behind Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum.

Bartelstein said the Lakers have not given him any indication on whether they will match the Warriors' offer, which includes a player option for the fourth year.

[hermes]

well thats a lot more reasonable of a deal, so we shouldn't be so quick to dismiss ronny yet

[Lost Angel]

the Lakers will take the full 7 days to decide.


if the Artest rumors hold any weight at all, then expect to see SAR or Kenny Thomas backing up Gasol, meaning Turiaf is out of here.

is Turiaf really worth 34.6 million over four years? because thats what Buss would have to pay, and I'm thinking Jerry isn't opening his wallet for Ronny.

[iQon]

Pretty disappointed to see Ronny skip town on us, but it won't hurt so much if we can get some production from Mihm... finally.

Can anybody enlighten me as to whether Kupchak has so much as to OFFERED Sasha a contract? He's leaving the door open to a contending team to undercut us for him as well. I think losing him to a team like the Spurs will haunt us sooner than later.

[MikeyMike]

Pay him.
he is a defensive presence at a great age. He is probably worth 3 mil plus but raising prices
and the NBA raising the tax threshold helps some. Lakers are rich 17mil for a Contender in
this market is not much.

The intangilbles of his bench energy is so valuable.

Enthusiam counts so much. When others are down he is up. Not sure what he smokes but whocares he has ENTHUSIAM which is contagious. He loves the game loves the Lakers and is happy and positive and can surpriseling block shots pretty good.

he is still developing and learning with more playing time he is well worth paying for a team
making championship runs over the next 3 to 6 years. Keep him.

Kurt Thomas is short term help, Kwame is awful, Mihm sucks and is out of rythym and will never be as good as he once was. Mbenga is not quite an energy player.

Stay Ronny sign him. He is a fan favorite who will get better. He is short but Bynum and Gasol are long. We need a big w/energy. They are rare to find. What big has his kinda energy that the lakers will be able to sign at 4 mill or less

This is an excellent post.

I wanted to trade Ronny at first, but after finding out his contract is front loaded, I realized it seems much more reasonable now.

He did pretty well in the regular season, but he choked in the playoffs.

Still, he's improved his game every year and he does a lot for chemistry on this team.

As fans, we just watch the games. But a regular season is a long long time to be out there on the road. If you have a guy that's so much fun and positive like Ronny around all the time, it rubs off on you. Having a guy like that can really improve comradery and unity of a team off the court, which can translate to on the court.

I say keep Ronny....also, I think Kobe and Ronny are best friends. Kobe has that special hug and shake he does with Ronny before every game. That's a level of affection I usually don't see Kobe display to his teammates too much. Ronny also appeared alongside Kobe in that jump over car commercial.

If Kobe tells the management he doesn't want to see Ronny go, I think Buss will do the right thing and keep him.

[CX44]

Why do people only double Ronny's salary? Don't focus on his contract because all of the contracts on the team contribute to the salary cap situtation. Is Vlad worth 10 million, Fisher 10 million, Lamar at 28 million, how about Farmar at close to 5 million? You could go up and down the roster and point blame at each players contract. The Lakers are in this situation because of good drafting, trading, and poor free agent signings. Nice to problem to have having to extend one of your younger players who is seen as a valauble commodity around the league.

[dockingsched]

yeah, im not sure why a new player's contracts get doubled when discussing luxury tax. when discussing a player's impact on the luxury tax they should use whatever percentage their salary contributes to the team payroll. if ronny's salary is 10% of the payroll, then his contract is responsible for 10% of the luxury tax.

[DEEP3CL]

yeah, im not sure why a new player's contracts get doubled when discussing luxury tax. when discussing a player's impact on the luxury tax they should use whatever percentage their salary contributes to the team payroll. if ronny's salary is 10% of the payroll, then his contract is responsible for 10% of the luxury tax.

Really it's the whole thing of paying a mil for every mil your over in the tax, which I know you knew. To me it's really irrelevant, our luxury tax problems are a result of the bad contracts given to Mihm, Walton,Radmonovich and of course the over bloated contract Riley desperately gave Lamar.

[That Nicka]

It will really piss me off if Turiaf's offer isnt matched... He's probably my 3rd favorite player on the team (Kobe, Bynum)... Many of us dont think that Odom will be here after this year, whether he is traded or walks after the season, but he makes 14 million this season, and without it we wouldnt be in the luxury threshold, so IMO its like we have to pay him for a year knowing he's not gonna be on the team much longer instead of retaining a glue guy, a great teammate/locker room presence, fan favorite, hard worker...

I would honestly trade Lamar to GSW for a freakin trade exception so we wouldnt be a the luxury threshold and just keep all our players... dump Radman somewhere -- anywhere I honestly think this is enough to win the title

Fisher/Farmar
Kobe/Sasha
Luke/Ariza
Gasol/Turiaf
Bynum/Mihm/Mbenga

We were so close this year... Luke as a full time starter can return to 06/07 form.. Bynum will be much improved and much better than Odom overall

[microfib4thewin]

yeah, im not sure why a new player's contracts get doubled when discussing luxury tax. when discussing a player's impact on the luxury tax they should use whatever percentage their salary contributes to the team payroll. if ronny's salary is 10% of the payroll, then his contract is responsible for 10% of the luxury tax.

Really it's the whole thing of paying a mil for every mil your over in the tax, which I know you knew. To me it's really irrelevant, our luxury tax problems are a result of the bad contracts given to Mihm, Walton,Radmonovich and of course the over bloated contract Riley desperately gave Lamar.

Because Kobe's 20 mil contract doesn't have as much of an impact as a 2 mil, a 5 mil, and a 6 mil contract? Even if Mihm, Walton, and Vlad are 'reasonably' paid, the Lakers are still looking to be way over the tax threshold in the future because we took on Gasol's contract. I don't expect Kobe to opt out and sign for less because he treats basketball like a business and he does work very hard for his contract, but the reality is, as long as Kobe is around with his 15-20 mil on the payroll avoiding tax is close to impossible without letting go of players Phoenix style.

[Danny Darko]

I guess the question is:

A- how much is chemistry and spirit worth(because the production can be replaced at a fraction of the cost)

B- How much does that contract preclude us from getting players we need(prolly not much due to the fact that we are already riding the cap, but collectively a ton when you look at what would be Ronny, Luke, and Vlad)

[That Nicka]

(because the production can be replaced at a fraction of the cost)

Name a player that can play PF/C off the bench THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY GET for 2 mil that will give us the same production as Turiaf during the regular season (6ppg, 4rpg, blk, 18 min)

B- How much does that contract preclude us from getting players we need(prolly not much due to the fact that we are already riding the cap, but collectively a ton when you look at what would be Ronny, Luke, and Vlad)

BS... Like the poster above said... Kobe makes 24 mil, Pau makes 16 mil, Odom is gonna make 14 mil this year, Bynum is about due for an extension... Our role players are not stopping us from getting an impact player... We are basically at the cap with just our starters

[dockingsched]

lakers have to match by tomorrow correct?

edit: according to the ocregister they have to match by friday afternoon

http://lakers.freedomblogging.com/2008/ ... on-turiaf/

The clock is ticking…

Less than 48 hours remain before the Lakers either match the four-year, $17 million offer Ronny Turiaf got from the Golden State Warriors or let him walk. Team officials had seven days from when they first received the offer sheet to decide.

The Lakers need to notify Turiaf and/or his agent by Friday afternoon of their intentions, and as of 4 p.m. Wednesday there wasn’t anything to announce.

“No decision yet,” agent Mark Bartelstein said in an email.

“Nothing to report,” said Lakers spokesman John Black.

[DEEP3CL]

I think Ronny needs to start learning the streets of Oakland.