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Re: Best shooter in Laker history... 

Post#21 » by tkb » Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:58 am

milesfides wrote:and his shooting blows Rice's out of the water


Woah, I'd wait a bit until I start going that far, especially if you're talking about Rice's entire career.

He shot 40+% from 3 several season while jacking up 5 3s a game AND being the clear cut first option on his team, meaning he got a lot more defensive attention than Sasha does at this point of his career. It's a lot harder for Kobe to shoot 40+% from 3 than it is for Sasha on this team because of that defensive attention for instance. Let's see Sasha be as efficient as he is when he isn't a mere role player compared to a 20+ ppg player.

Sasha might turn out to be one of those epic shooters, but he's only done it for a couple of years while Rice shot 40% over 15 years and nearly 4000 attempts.

milesfides wrote:I think he'll challenge Kapono as the best spot-up shooter in the league. He's got too much passion, man.


Could happen, but he's going to have to improve a LOT to get there. Kapono is the most efficient 3p shooter in the history of the NBA. We all think Sasha's 43.7% from behind the arc last year was extremely impressive, but now we're talking about a guy who shoots 46.4% from 3 for his career.
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Post#22 » by TruSkool » Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:51 pm

GLEN RICE aka g-money by a wiiiiiideeeeeeeee margin...

no one was ever close to glen rice...if anything, i think kobe is the 2nd best shooter..

1. glen rice
2. kobe bryant
3. eddie jones
4. sasha vujacic
5. nick van exel
6. derek fisher
7. jerry west
8. robert horry
9. anthony peeler
10. brian shaw
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Re: Best shooter in Laker history... 

Post#23 » by milesfides » Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:56 pm

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milesfides wrote:and his shooting blows Rice's out of the water


Woah, I'd wait a bit until I start going that far, especially if you're talking about Rice's entire career.


I meant as a Laker. Rice shot around 43% overall, and 38% from three as a veteran who averaged more than 30 mpg. Those are below his career averages. On the other hand, Sasha last year shot 45% overall and 44% from three last season, as a developing player who has just begun to establish a key role and see consistent minutes. Imo, that does blow Rice's shooting out of the water.

He shot 40+% from 3 several season while jacking up 5 3s a game AND being the clear cut first option on his team, meaning he got a lot more defensive attention than Sasha does at this point of his career. It's a lot harder for Kobe to shoot 40+% from 3 than it is for Sasha on this team because of that defensive attention for instance. Let's see Sasha be as efficient as he is when he isn't a mere role player compared to a 20+ ppg player.


But that's irrelevant, since we're talking about who the best shooter is in Laker history. It's safe to say that Vujacic will never be the first option on any team, but again, that's irrelevant.

Sasha might turn out to be one of those epic shooters, but he's only done it for a couple of years while Rice shot 40% over 15 years and nearly 4000 attempts.


But Rice was merely very good with the Lakers. While Sasha was elite last year.

milesfides wrote:I think he'll challenge Kapono as the best spot-up shooter in the league. He's got too much passion, man.


Could happen, but he's going to have to improve a LOT to get there. Kapono is the most efficient 3p shooter in the history of the NBA. We all think Sasha's 43.7% from behind the arc last year was extremely impressive, but now we're talking about a guy who shoots 46.4% from 3 for his career.


Sure, but the fact that Sasha shot 44% last season shows that he's approaching Kapono's level - if only for a season (Kapono's career shooting is 46%). But considering he's 3 years younger, considering last year was the first time Vujacic was given a consistent role and minutes, considering that Sasha's role will undoubtedly expand considering the need for another shooter with Bynum back, I would say Vujacic is in great position for continued success.

I don't think any other shooter would have it so easy. Bynum in the low post, Gasol in the high post, Kobe handling the ball, everybody a willing passer...

The stars are aligned for Vujacic to do some special things.
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Re: Best shooter in Laker history... 

Post#24 » by monk302 » Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:22 pm

Byron Scott!
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Post#25 » by Luxury » Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:03 pm

That is in fact relevant in those aspects as tkb has pointed out but it is the premise of the argument that has been used obliviously.

So what is the basis of the argument?
- Sasha's prime vs Glen's Prime? Which won't be determine till later, but like you said, Sasha has the opportunity to do big things.
- Sasha's emerging year vs Glen's declining year?
- Role player vs 1st option.
- Spot up shooter playing alongside a superstar and an allstar vs lone ranger?
- Sasha's Laker career vs Glen Rice's laker career?

Entire career-wise, Glen Rice is the better pure shooter (for now at least) and IMO will still be the better pure shooter at the end of Sasha's career when being respectively compared. Glen was putting up crazy shots at a high percent while being decently defended. Sasha on the other hand, he only spots up and he gets good looks because of the triangle spacing and having Kobe and Pau/Bynum in the mix.

In terms of Laker history, Glen Rice was on the decline and the tail-end of his career while Sasha had finally emerged and stil has room for improvement. It's because of that, that gives Sasha the edge for this topic... Best shooter in Laker history.
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Post#26 » by dockingsched » Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:27 pm

sasha best shooter in lakers history. damn. he's come a long way.
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Post#27 » by CX44 » Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:35 pm

Michael was a good spot up 3pt shooter even though his % was not very good. Jamal Wilkes was a career 50% shooter.
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Post#28 » by Patterns » Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:04 pm

Jerry West anyone?

But as far as a pure shooter goes, it may very well be Sasha even though he's only done it for 1 year.
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Re: Best shooter in Laker history... 

Post#29 » by 3-Pt_Shooter » Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:05 am

Well, its hard to zero in on just one shooter... but IMO it would have to be either The Logo - Jerry West (even though he played prior to the 3-pt line being put in), Nick the Quick - Van Exel, or Byron Scott. Others can be thrown in the mix for sure, but these guys made perimeter shot after perimeter shot in the respective careers.

Sasha Vujacic will also be right up there when his career is all said and done. Especially, if he can continue to shoot like he did last year.

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Re: Best shooter in Laker history... 

Post#30 » by digcom99 » Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:02 am

jamaal wilkes. chick hearn used to call his jumpers "20 foot layups".
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Post#31 » by tkb » Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:18 am

Let's label Sasha a better shooter than Larry Bird now while were at it. I think Sasha has become rather overrated to be honest. Sure, he's a solid shooter and all that, but he isn't even the 4th best player on his team. When he does it as the best player on his team with first option type defensive attention, I'll start moving him up the charts. Until then, he's still a developing role player.

Personally I rate Nash higher than Kapono as a shooter, because while their percentages aren't that far off, the level of defensive attention they draw is.
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Post#32 » by theFRANCHISE » Fri Sep 12, 2008 9:53 am

Byron Scott
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Post#33 » by Chubby Chaser » Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:04 am

iki4life wrote:GLEN RICE aka g-money by a wiiiiiideeeeeeeee margin...

no one was ever close to glen rice...if anything, i think kobe is the 2nd best shooter..

1. glen rice
2. kobe bryant
3. eddie jones
4. sasha vujacic
5. nick van exel
6. derek fisher
7. jerry west
8. robert horry
9. anthony peeler
10. brian shaw



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Post#34 » by Chubby Chaser » Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:04 am

I'd also like to add Terry Teagle for consideration.
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Post#35 » by derrek » Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:01 pm

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Post#36 » by B-Scott » Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:53 am

1. Jerry West
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Byron Scott
4. Glen Rice
5. Brad Holland
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Post#37 » by Sedale Threatt » Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:26 pm

I can probably come up with at least 10 guys I had more confidence in, but from the standpoint of pure aesthstics, Byron Scott had to have one of the prettiest jumpers in history -- great form, great elevation. A work of art. Especially compared to those ugly-ass set shots Magic and Coop took, or the way Worthy used to stick his ass way out when he shot. Ghastly.

Glen Rice -- one of the few Lakers I've ever had absolute confidence that the shot was going down if he was open. Sasha's not quite there yet, but he's very, very close.

Van Exel -- all-time streak shooter. He used to put up as many 3-for-17s as he did good games. It was always feast or famine.

Derek Fisher -- a bit more consistent than Van Exel, but not enough to earn a top spot. I respect him so much that I'm willing to forgive his streaky tendencies.

West -- never saw him play, but the accounts speak for themselves. Just for the volume of shots and defensive attention they got, it has to be either him or Kobe, whose mid-range shot is about as good as it gets. If only he would curb his infatuation with jacking up contested 3s...
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Post#38 » by nesta » Sun Sep 14, 2008 4:45 am

Jerry West
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Post#39 » by Anklebreaker702 » Sun Sep 28, 2008 5:36 am

The logo & i'm not sure about the best 3 point shooter
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Post#40 » by andykeikei » Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:19 am

Gail Goodrich?
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