Does anybody think Fisher should be starting?

[Sedale Threatt]

Everybody in this thread has already spelled out, in very logical fashion, why we should stay the course and keep our rotation as is. There's nothing more I can add, other than to say this isn't NBA Live. It's the real world where things like chemistry and comfort level matter tremendously. If you understood that, you'd understand why most of us are saying ain't broke, don't fix. Fish is happy, Jordan is happy, team is playing well...what's the problem?

[Dexmor]

I think you are taking it the wrong way. I am not saying for us to win they need to bench Fisher. I am not saying Fisher is overrated. I am just saying Farmar imo is the superior player and even though this Laker team is incredible they would be better with Farmar getting more minutes and gelling more with the starting lineup.

[history2b]

But playing all of your "best" players to start is not necessarily the way to go just because.

Isn't Odom better than Radmanovic?

There is a balance in the lineup as it stands right now. There is nothing to change with that. Farmar will continue to play more and more minutes as he continues to earn them and what matters most is maintaining that balance. The first unit is very deliberate in the way they run the offense; pounding it inside to our two 7 footers. Swapping out our slower veteran jumpshooting PG with our quick, aggressive spark plug PG is not necessary. If anything it completely ruins our 2nd unit balance that runs extremely well with Farmar.

How great would that speed lineup be with Fisher at the helm?

[hermes]

didn't the spurs play manu off the bench last season

now that guy's good
probably good enough to be a starter

[Dexmor]

Well I said it's different with Radman because they need to space the floor.
Also they have Odom off the bench to run the point with Fish.
It's funny how things change yet remain the same. Last year I kept screamig they need to start Bynum over Kwame yet you guys disagreed, Fisher is no Kwame and you guys do have points unlike the aarguement of last year were you who thought Kwame starting was the right call were plain brain dead.

[lifejuice]

our second unit, as an uptempo unit, is probably better than the starters on other running teams like the warriors and the knicks

[Dexmor]

Our starting lineup isn't exactly slow. They also don't use the triangle every play like last year either.
I think Farmar and Bynum can be a hell of a 1-5 combo.
Fisher isn't exactly Cassell either espially if only playing 20 minutes.

[Dexmor]

Idealy I would like Ariza to perfect the outside jumper and maybe get his 3 point % to like 35 or 36 and have him and Farmar start with Odom off the bench.

[Erik Eleven]

Point well taken, eh?

The mistakes that Farmar still makes are less costly against second units than starting units. He did it again, yesterday. You have to dig the luxury of having Farmar dominating other teams' second units, Dexmor. He couldn't do that as easily against better opponents. You also have to consider his defensive shortcomings compared to Fisher. Like PJ said, "Fisher is like a solid block". Farmar just isn't quite there yet. He might be soon, but not just yet, in my opinion. It's not just about the offense.

[Dexmor]

No its not just about offense. It would be nice though if he was rewarded for being the better player with the starting job. Also again it would take some playmaking responsibities off Kobe because he is the only ballhandler playmaker in the starting 5 and he would make some easy baskets for Bynum. Plus his D is not exactly bad.
Plus if he were playing with the starting unit maybe they could help him with some of those mistakes.

[Erik Eleven]

Patience.

[Patterns]

No its not just about offense. It would be nice though if he was rewarded for being the better player with the starting job. Also again it would take some playmaking responsibities off Kobe because he is the only ballhandler playmaker in the starting 5 and he would make some easy baskets for Bynum. Plus his D is not exactly bad.
Plus if he were playing with the starting unit maybe they could help him with some of those mistakes.

1. Kobe isn't the only play maker. The offense runs through Gasol just as much as Kobe.

2.You keep saying that Jordan's D "isn't bad", his 3pt shot "isn't bad", his mistakes "aren't bad". What exactly are you trying to say? Why can't we have a player who is a better defender, a better pt shooter, a player who makes less mistakes in our starting lineup?

3. Why can't you acknowledge that Fisher is almost perfect for our starting lineup? A PG who shoots much better than Farmar from the 3, spreads the floor better, passes the ball to superior play makers, doesn't allow other PGs to muscle him....

4. Why can't you acknowledge that Farmar is almost perfect for our 2nd unit? A PG who makes place for inferior play makers, palces adequate defense against backup PGs, plays extremely well with Ariza, pushes the ball with our fast 2nd unit lineup?

I will say no more. This is ridiculous. If you don't get it by now, you'll never get it. Farmar will start when the time is right but he's not ready yet.

[ronnymac2]

^^^I agree. Just based on the rotation of players we have with the first and sceond units, farmar is better suited coming off the bench, with fisher being the starter. Kobe and Pau ARE the primary playmakers (as they should be). Farmar is a better playmaker than fisher, but that isn't necesary in the starting lineup right now.

Dexmor, I do like the idea of at some point (most likely NOT this season though) having ariza and farmar as the starters, with the caveat that ariza develop a very strong outside shot. The defensive playmaking of kobe, ariza,and farmar would be great when paired with the inside presense of the 7 footers, and we'd have enough shooting, too. Not yet though, imo. Patience lol. (edit..as Erik said...I saw it after i posted lol)

[Anklebreaker702]

i don't think farmar would be any where near as effective playing with the starters where he has to defer and basically become a spot up shooter. farmar's success has come from pushing the ball with ariza/odom and controlling the ball in the half court.

Dcash you couldn't have said that any better, that is a perfect analysis. Fish is a very solid guard & can guard the bigger guards like Deron Williams

[b shaw20]

No, he's pretty much always done it. A buddy and I have been joking about it for years.

Dude,

I was about to send you a text after a couple of those..

"vintage fish"

Only my cell was out of reach and I was not about to get up for that.
The boy just needs to play within himself. Lead by example, that's all.

Btw sending NBA pass pw or call.

[Sedale Threatt]

The split second he puts his head down I'm like, FFFFF. I'm still surprised any of them go in.

I'll give you a call in the next few days. I'm working on Saturday during the Denver game, so I won't need it until next week. Appreciate the help, again. Who'd have thought -- Mexicans can actually serve a purpose!!!

[b shaw20]

Appreciate the help, again. Who'd have thought -- Mexicans can actually serve a purpose!!!

You'd be surprised what other "service" jobs I can perform, ask your mom.

"Sedale, I AM your faaaaather"

later son

[Dexmor]

Was that correcting spelling for me?
Farmar is just a good of shooter as Fisher.
Farmar only seems like he makes more mistakes because he makes more plays. I am sure Redd has less turnovers then Kidd but it doesn't mean he is a better playmaker or makes less mistakes.
If Farmar just shot the ball or FIsher tried to make plays then it would be different.

[hermes]

farmar has the game, but probably a good question is whether he has it mentally
can he handle being the starting point guard night in and night out for a top Western Conference team, if the going got tough how would he react, will he be able to perform at a high level still
what about the playoffs could he handle the pressure of the starting job when the world is watching?
we know fisher can do that so thats why he's starting, farmar will get his chance when he's ready
no need to rush him in there, he's still young