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Post#21 » by Luxury » Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:44 pm

I do see the concept what the OP is trying to present, and I do agree that we need a low post threat that would cause the opposition to collapse, therefore creating an inside/outside game for us that would be actually be the final piece to our offense. Yes 9-1 is a good start, but that 1 loss says more than 9 wins IMO.

Who did we lose to? A great defensive team in the Pistons. They played physical man defense, only to double/triple team Kobe on the PERIMETER only, therefore players like Sheed and Kwame was able to stay home on Pau and/or Bynum. That's the reason why we couldn't get any easy put backs after Kobe takes a tough shot. Include the fact that Pau is soft by nature, great defensive teams don't need to double him. This is a major concern for us and this is the same reason why I still don't think we can beat the Celtics in a 7-game series as of now.

Yeah things could change, and I'll be looking and hoping for when it happens because as of now, it looks like we're still lacking what we we're lacking back in June. We have all season long to work on our flaws but still... it's the same issue from last year.

Ultimately, against great defensive teams, we need someone who has the ability to break the other teams defense eventually opening up Kobe's game. And I've been saying it this whole time, the only players on our roster than can take us over the hump is Bynum and Farmar.

We're 9-1 for a reason. We beat the teams we're suppose to beat and loss to the team that plays physical man defense, and this is only addressing half of the story. The other half is our team defense, which is still in development.

Lastly, there's a reason why we don't do too well during the first quarters, and I have a feeling it has something to do with our twin towers. As of now, we play way better when only one of them is on the floor. Of course, it needs work but just wanted to point it out.
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Re: Sacrifice games for development of Bynum? 

Post#22 » by hermes » Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:01 pm

the NBA where "9-1 isn't good enough anymore dang it!" happens
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Post#23 » by TommyTheCat » Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:33 pm

i think it's time to trade bynum and lo for jo.......................or bynum for kidd
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Post#24 » by El Hardee » Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:46 pm

I think bringing Bynum off the bench for a lttle while would be the best thing for his development. It will take some pressure off him, plus he'll get more touches with the 2nd string. Do this till for the next 10 games and then revisit starting him again.
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Post#25 » by andykeikei » Sat Nov 22, 2008 3:12 am

El Hardee wrote:I think bringing Bynum off the bench for a lttle while would be the best thing for his development. It will take some pressure off him, plus he'll get more touches with the 2nd string. Do this till for the next 10 games and then revisit starting him again.

I don't think he will accept a back-up role though.
Moreover with our trigger happy guards, he will not get touches because Farmar and Vujacic barely look for him, or simply can't produce a good entry pass. I think Bynum is more suitable for a slow tempo game with the 1st unit.

I hope Pau and Bynum try to reverse their role once Drew gets his condition back. Pau has more versatility and he has more skills to play in perimeter than Bynum. I admit that I got frustrated watching him as a non-factor on offense, not because of his limited production, but his confusion and lack of interest that ticks me off. I guess I have to be patient and trust our coaching staff.
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Re: Sacrifice games for development of Bynum? 

Post#26 » by SexyScottish » Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:02 pm

Bynum hasn't proven a thing yet other than he is not as good as the Hall of Famer people made him out to be. He's gonna get eaten up by bigger, more physical centers like Yao, Howard, Perkins, and a healthy Oden. Come playoff time, Bynum will prove that he wouldn't have made one bit of a difference last year. You can't teach toughness.
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Post#27 » by TylersLakers » Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:38 pm

I don't think we'd be sacrificing games getting Bynum an extra couple shots a game. We'd still be winning, he'd be capitalizing more.

Like E said.. this was about his numbers during the month of November last year. As long as he progressively keeps getting better.
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Post#28 » by ReaListik » Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:49 pm

Chubby Chaser wrote:NO. I would not sacrifice ONE GAME to force feed Bynum the ball in the post. It has never been more apparent than now that Home Court Advantage is absolutely HUGE in the playoffs. Last year, the refs blatantly favored the home team and the only series we lost was the one we didn't have home court advantage in. It's already going to be an uphill battle for us to keep pace with the Celtics seeing that they play in the LEASTERN conference while we have to try and beat the big boys in the west every night. Every game is important. I can't remember a time when there was this much emphasis in getting home court advantage. But last years playoffs showed how important it was with the officiating. Kobe realized this, which is why he didn't get surgery on his pinkie. He knew he couldn't miss any games and we needed to finish with the best record in the league.


Yeah you almost have to laugh because no other team's record is close to either the Lakers or Celtics. This is an insane season and I believe this one will go down as one to remember. You can't experiment and half-ass it trying to cater to Bynum. He's got to be ready because the pace of this season for the Lakers is full throttle.
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Post#29 » by Erik Eleven » Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:01 pm

I agree with the sentiment that this is going to be a historic season — a two team sprint to 82 for home court advantage. I also think we're in for the most hard fought finals series in recent history. Lakers in seven, at Staples, second overtime. Kobe will finally be on the short list of the greatest ever.

Bynum is picking up steam. In not so many weeks from now, there will be no complaining about Bynum here. He played a very good game against Denver. What a freaking beast of a team this is to defend against. On one possession last night, Pau set up strong side and got the ball from Fish, he dribbled but was stopped by a double team, he swung the ball out and it was re-entered on the weak side to Bynum where he went to work full force, drawing the rotating double team. He scored regardless by spinning away from the double and making a nice jump hook. Their two big men defended well together against Pau and they were rewarded by both having to rotate to guard and attacking Bynum. This is going to be fun come January. Hopefully come Christmas.
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Post#30 » by SPuL » Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:33 pm

I think we def have to let Bynum play a bigger part in the offense as the season goes on.. We know Gasol isn't going to step up in the finals.. We're going to need someone who isn't so passive to step up & be our second option when the C's put the clamps on Kobe..
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Post#31 » by Erik Eleven » Sat Nov 22, 2008 11:05 pm

SPuL wrote:I think we def have to let Bynum play a bigger part in the offense as the season goes on.. We know Gasol isn't going to step up in the finals.. We're going to need someone who isn't so passive to step up & be our second option when the C's put the clamps on Kobe..


I agree, and I'm sure Phil plans to do just that, as the season goes along.

I am convinced that Bynum is our man — our future second option, maybe first. He will put fear in the Celtics around the ASB, I think. Can you imagine, a gradually peaking eruption of Bynum Domination going into the Finals? There's nothing that worries me about Bynum besides his possibly being slow at recovering from injury and getting back up to game speed.

If healthy all season, I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up averaging 16ppg, 13rpg, 3,5apg, 3,6bpg, 1,5spg. In addition to that, I think he'll be a truly effective defensive anchor big man. One that contests and alters everything around the rim, deflects passes and scares guards away from cutting to the hoop too much, aggressive on the pnr defense and quick at rotating.

He just needs to get back up to speed, in my opinion.

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Post#32 » by SexyScottish » Sun Nov 23, 2008 1:41 am

Chubby Chaser wrote:NO. I would not sacrifice ONE GAME to force feed Bynum the ball in the post. It has never been more apparent than now that Home Court Advantage is absolutely HUGE in the playoffs. Last year, the refs blatantly favored the home team and the only series we lost was the one we didn't have home court advantage in. It's already going to be an uphill battle for us to keep pace with the Celtics seeing that they play in the LEASTERN conference while we have to try and beat the big boys in the west every night. Every game is important. I can't remember a time when there was this much emphasis in getting home court advantage. But last years playoffs showed how important it was with the officiating. Kobe realized this, which is why he didn't get surgery on his pinkie. He knew he couldn't miss any games and we needed to finish with the best record in the league.


The Leastern conference?? UMM, the 2 best teams in the NBA last year were from the East. Boston, Cleveland, and Detroit are all superior teams than anyone the West has to offer, especially come playoff time when toughness counts. And what the hell do you mean about the officiating?? Phil Jackson cried and got every call he wanted. Don't get upset because Leon Powe is more physical than anyone your team had. Hell, Leon Powe would do it again too. Not to mention Perkins is too physically strong for anyone the Lakers have. Lakers fans should be more worried about MAKING the finals than about trying to hang with Boston.
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Post#33 » by TylersLakers » Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:13 am

I disagree with the notion that when we get to the Finals, Pau is gonna become soft and ineffective. I hate that.

Pau Gasol is a POWER FORWARD. He's not a C or a primary defender on the best opposing big man. He made Camby, Boozer, Duncan and Garnett ALL HAVE TOUGH SERIES. Finally, come the finals time, he was worn down.

With Bynum here, that's not going to happen. Gasol will be fresh and instrumental if we win the Championship.
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Post#34 » by SexyScottish » Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:59 am

TylersLakers wrote:I disagree with the notion that when we get to the Finals, Pau is gonna become soft and ineffective. I hate that.

Pau Gasol is a POWER FORWARD. He's not a C or a primary defender on the best opposing big man. He made Camby, Boozer, Duncan and Garnett ALL HAVE TOUGH SERIES. Finally, come the finals time, he was worn down.

With Bynum here, that's not going to happen. Gasol will be fresh and instrumental if we win the Championship.


Become soft?? Gasol has always been soft, is soft, and always will be soft. When Perkins came back after being injured for a game, he got shut down.
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Post#35 » by dockingsched » Sun Nov 23, 2008 3:17 am

his entire point was that pau wouldn't be matched up with centers now that bynum is playing. good reading comprehension there.
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Post#36 » by LLcoleJ » Sun Nov 23, 2008 3:21 am

SexyScottish wrote:
TylersLakers wrote:I disagree with the notion that when we get to the Finals, Pau is gonna become soft and ineffective. I hate that.

Pau Gasol is a POWER FORWARD. He's not a C or a primary defender on the best opposing big man. He made Camby, Boozer, Duncan and Garnett ALL HAVE TOUGH SERIES. Finally, come the finals time, he was worn down.

With Bynum here, that's not going to happen. Gasol will be fresh and instrumental if we win the Championship.


Become soft?? Gasol has always been soft, is soft, and always will be soft. When Perkins came back after being injured for a game, he got shut down.



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Post#37 » by AceFresh » Sun Nov 23, 2008 3:31 am

SpuL ur an L.A fan?
I remember seeing u on a board.
I thought u were a kings or celtics fan.

sorry if I'm wrong
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Post#38 » by Anklebreaker702 » Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:42 am

hermes wrote:why don't we just develop Bynum and still win games?

everyone ok with that, good

done and done
You summed up my quote in a nutshell hermes. He does need more touches but I wouldn't sacrafice losses for anyone. He & Pau had it going in tonight's game (vs NJ) for a good stretch until they called a phantom foul on him the sent him to the bench
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