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NBA's Bad officiating rep. 

Post#1 » by TonyMontana » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:43 pm

First of all, Im giving props to the Spurs for their win last night against the Lakers.
They played a hell of a game, and they deserved the win. The earned the W and props goes out to them for a good game.

Im not here complaining or crying about last nights officiating.
I think for the most part the reffs did a good job until the last few minutes on both end of the court.
And again Im not complaining about the calls or the reffs, Im only addressing the officiating of this league and the way the reffs can basically take over the game at any givin time, all the flopping and the bad calls they miss or make.
Also I do realize that the reffs are humans and they make mistakes and my question is that how or what does this league have to do to improve the officiating?

We accept unbelievable, mediocre and bad officiating of games everynight, but I think this league needs to take a better look at the way the officials are handling bad calls or missed calls.
The deterioration of the refereeing that has allowed this to go undetected and unpunished by the league.
In the past years the officiating has has gone downhill for the worst.
We can look at the games like the Bulls against the Jazz when Joradn clearly pushed off on Russell.
We can look at the Lakers Kings W/C finals where there were some controversial calls that were bad.
We can look at the Heat Mavs game in the finals.
Joey Crawford ejecting Duncan for him laughing.
The Phoenix Suns game 3 against the Spurs in San Antonio and it appeared as it they were playing five on eight for most of the game. :lol:
We can look at the Lakers Cs finals game 2 and 4.
We can look at the Cs Portland game with 6 players on the court.
The dirt and the garbage Donahy brought to this league with his gambeling.
Flopping has seriously gotten out of hand and the calls are judged very poorly.
K.Gs taunting and crawling on his hands and knees.
Lebron crab dribble that finally has been addressed by the Reffs.
The list goes on and on.

I have seen a lot of bad refereeing in the NBA, who hasn’t but lately it has been one of the worst examples of bad officiating I have seen in years.
Is Stern blind or is this something that the league is cool with and they see no problem with?

Again Im not upset at our loss last night against the Spurs, they played a hell of a game and it came down to the last second. I loved watching it more than the Cs/Lakers Christmas game.
Props on the Spurs for the W and THEY EARNED IT, but how bad of a call was it at the end with Fisher when Mason threw out his legs and Fish was called for a foul?
I have watched the Ariza last second call of traveling many many times and I cant believe that the Crab dribble or Wades hippity hop doesnt get calls at times, BUT Ariza was called for traveling with a few seconds on the clock.

Now the league and the reffs review last minute shots before the clock runs out to determine if the shot was realeased before the clock expired, but should they add reviews to controversial last minute shots like last nights game.
Should they review flopps and offensive fouls.
Should there be a system the same way as the NFL, where a team can dispute a call by giving up a time out if they were wrong?
Should there be another reff added to the three that we do have?
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Post#2 » by vinnycorleone » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:51 pm

I couldn't agree more.

its like we've accepted bad calls in basketball but we complain about it in every sport. I guess the only argument for that is that in the NBA you don't win or lose the game on 1 possession. You have about 80 possessions in a game PER team.

but you are right. there should be instant replays in basketball. But just like you can't review Personal fouls (holding, facemask, horse collar) you can't review personal fouls.

But things like goaltending. Ball going out of bounds. feet in restricted circle. Those should be reviewable.
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Post#3 » by fareweatherfan » Thu Jan 15, 2009 7:05 pm

Instant replay is NOT the solution. Basketball is a game of rhythm, perhaps moreso than any other sport.

Any proposal that involves stopping the game for review is a bad idea.

Adding another Ref is not a bad idea, though.
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Post#4 » by Sedale Threatt » Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:28 pm

vinnycorleone wrote:I couldn't agree more.

its like we've accepted bad calls in basketball but we complain about it in every sport. I guess the only argument for that is that in the NBA you don't win or lose the game on 1 possession. You have about 80 possessions in a game PER team.

but you are right. there should be instant replays in basketball. But just like you can't review Personal fouls (holding, facemask, horse collar) you can't review personal fouls.

But things like goaltending. Ball going out of bounds. feet in restricted circle. Those should be reviewable.


Not only that, but the vast majority of calls in an NBA game are judgement calls.

Not so much for violations, but when to call a foul and when not to. Was there too much contact? Was the defender set? Did a defender get the ball or the hand? Was progress impeded enough to call a hand check? It is an extremely difficult sport to call, in my opinion the most difficult by far of any of the major professional sports.

Bringing instant replay into the game any deeper than it already is would result in completely unwatchable games.

This all seems to be triggered by the Mason call. (I'm not even going to acknowledge the "foul" on Ariza; anybody who expects to get a hip check, on the final play of the game, on the road, needs to have their head examined.)

Isn't that the type of "foul" Kobe has sold about 1,000 times in his career? I thought it was an obvious call myself -- it appeared that Fisher got hung up on Mason's leg. Only with the benefit of numerous relays can we see that there wasn't much there.

If this had been a case of Dwyane Wade falling down on the way to the rim and getting a big call, that would be one thing. But in this instance, it was just the breaks of the game. You win some and you lose some.

I don't know how else you can treat it, especially not with the fact that if we played even decent defense, we win that game going away and it isn't even a factor.
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Post#5 » by TonyMontana » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:06 pm

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This all seems to be triggered by the Mason call. (I'm not even going to acknowledge the "foul" on Ariza; anybody who expects to get a hip check, on the final play of the game, on the road, needs to have their head examined.)

Isn't that the type of "foul" Kobe has sold about 1,000 times in his career? I thought it was an obvious call myself -- it appeared that Fisher got hung up on Mason's leg. Only with the benefit of numerous relays can we see that there wasn't much there.

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Ya but the last call on Ariza was bit hard to swallow, I mean not only he didnt get the call but they called it a travel.
You made a no call on the blocking but you took that call and made it worst by giving the ball to the other team.
If anything it shouldve been a no call and let the clock run out, but it was the same reff that made the call on Fish and Mason. How odd.
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Post#6 » by Sedale Threatt » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:21 pm

But the travel didn't even impact the play. Trevor threw up a brick that didn't come close to going in, and there was nobody there to put the ball back. It was a moot point. We either lose on the miss, or we lose on the travel. Either way, we still lose.
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Post#7 » by TonyMontana » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:41 pm

Sedale Threatt wrote:But the travel didn't even impact the play. Trevor threw up a brick that didn't come close to going in, and there was nobody there to put the ball back. It was a moot point. We either lose on the miss, or we lose on the travel. Either way, we still lose.

Sure it was, Ariza heard a whistle, so he just threw it up.
Heres a link from dimemag and you can also see what others think about it.

http://dimemag.com/2009/01/did-trevor-a ... ent-111233
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Post#8 » by Sedale Threatt » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:51 pm

C'mon. There was less than a second less. He had no other choice but to throw it up, and Duncan was right there for the rebound. I don't see how the whistle had any impact on his concentration.

And even if it did, I hardly see this as the breaking point to expand instant replay or add a fourth official. Breaks of the game.

EDIT -- watch the clip, and it CLEARLY shows that the ball was out of Ariza's hands when the whistle blew. That's conclusive proof right there that it had absolutely no bearing on the outcome of the play.
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Post#9 » by Gus McCrae » Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:26 am

yeah, I think we just got punished since Kobe threw him the ball with like 5 seconds on the clock and the only thing Ariza could do was break for the hoop and hope to make a layup. It didn't work out and the refs weren't going to reward us for a bad play.


i thought Manu might've tripped him, haven't watched the replay though
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Post#10 » by fareweatherfan » Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:32 am

Manu absolutely tripped him and he didn't travel, but who cares after the fact.

Whining gets us nowhere on the court, and will get us nowhere here.
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Post#11 » by lakersfanatic » Fri Jan 16, 2009 6:19 am

yup i agree.. they need to revamp the officiating. I'm not b*tchin about the yesterdays' calls.. ok i am lol but if we had the replay at least we could had a fear decision. I mean this would mean that last years' playoff controversial foul on barry could be reversed but still... at least the players decide and not the refs.

Maybe they should just let it be between the players to call it LOL. Imagine the many hockey fights we would see on court HAHA.

Anyways, my two cents is fisher didn't foul him. The league should know reggie millers old stick out your leg trick by now. And if they called fisher for that foul, they should have called manu for that block..

tough close game.
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Post#12 » by Killua » Sat Jan 17, 2009 6:30 am

lakersfanatic wrote:yup i agree.. they need to revamp the officiating. I'm not b*tchin about the yesterdays' calls.. ok i am lol but if we had the replay at least we could had a fear decision. I mean this would mean that last years' playoff controversial foul on barry could be reversed but still... at least the players decide and not the refs.

Maybe they should just let it be between the players to call it LOL. Imagine the many hockey fights we would see on court HAHA.

Anyways, my two cents is fisher didn't foul him. The league should know reggie millers old stick out your leg trick by now. And if they called fisher for that foul, they should have called manu for that block..

tough close game.

your right it would have been reviewed and he would of been called for a travel the lakers still win.
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Post#13 » by Cammo101 » Sat Jan 17, 2009 7:04 am

I mean this with the utmost respect, but LA has gotten enough calls in the last 15 years to where they should have to wait until 2025 to complain.

That call against Ariza was bad, but Kobe and Shaq got/get tons of iffy calls.
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Post#14 » by snaquille oatmeal » Sat Jan 17, 2009 7:16 am

Cammo101 wrote:I mean this with the utmost respect, but LA has gotten enough calls in the last 15 years to where they should have to wait until 2025 to complain.

That call against Ariza was bad, but Kobe and Shaq got/get tons of iffy calls.
thats like saying that just because you were breast fed as a baby you should not get to s*** your girlfriends t**.
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Post#15 » by TonyMontana » Sat Jan 17, 2009 5:02 pm

The PAU tech was B.S........ I mean straight B.S.
Sorry fellas, I can sit here and say oh we did this and that.
We got Screwed big times in last 2 games. BIG TIME.
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