Some quick Bron vs Kobe math

[supaflash]

Kobe:
31 shots 20 ft attempts 3 assists 2 turnovers = 46 possesions resulting in 67 points (2 pts per assist)

67/46 = 1.46 pts per possesion

+/- +19

Bron:
33 shots 19 ft attemps 11 assists 3 turnovers = 56 possesions resulting in 74 points (2 points per assist)

74/56 = 1.34 pts per possesion

+/- +7

Overal Kobe had the more efficient and effective night. What about the rebounds? Yes Lebron pulled down those 10 boards boards but take a closer look and you will see that they were out rebounded by NY meaning he as a forward HAD to get as many as possible. The Lakers on the other hand outrebounded NY by a wide margin and the forwards were gobbling up nearly as many as Cle had as a team. With Pau and Lamar getting 14 apiece there wasn't much for Kobe to grab. It was a strange night for him not to grab any but with LA getting 52 total and a +10 margin, he didn't have to at all.

Another thing I noticed is that LA had 25 assists total to 20 for the Cavs which tells me that despite all the assists he got, he was somewhat stagnating the offense and dominating the ball. Kobe on the other hand was getting his points in the flow of the offense, off ball movement and getting to his spots. I think that showed in the +/- and the closeness of the game.

Both were rediculously amazing performances, but I beg to differ with Spike Lee. Kobe had the better game, individually and team wise.

[magic1fan]

Kobe:
31 shots 20 ft attempts 3 assists 2 turnovers = 46 possesions resulting in 67 points (2 pts per assist)

67/46 = 1.46 pts per possesion

+/- +19

Bron:
33 shots 19 ft attemps 11 assists 3 turnovers = 56 possesions resulting in 74 points (2 points per assist)

74/56 = 1.34 pts per possesion

+/- +7

Overal Kobe had the more efficient and effective night. What about the rebounds? Yes Lebron pulled down those 10 boards boards but take a closer look and you will see that they were out rebounded by NY meaning he as a forward HAD to get as many as possible. The Lakers on the other hand outrebounded NY by a wide margin and the forwards were gobbling up nearly as many as Cle had as a team. With Pau and Lamar getting 14 apiece there wasn't much for Kobe to grab. It was a strange night for him not to grab any but with LA getting 52 total and a +10 margin, he didn't have to at all.

Another thing I noticed is that LA had 25 assists total to 20 for the Cavs which tells me that despite all the assists he got, he was somewhat stagnating the offense and dominating the ball. Kobe on the other hand was getting his points in the flow of the offense, off ball movement and getting to his spots. I think that showed in the +/- and the closeness of the game.

Both were rediculously amazing performances, but I beg to differ with Spike Lee. Kobe had the better game, individually and team wise.

spike's just mad that knick fans were chanting mvp for kobe.

[tayzer]

Overall, I think Kobe had a better game. Sure Bron Bron had more assist and rebounds, but that goes to show that he needed his teammates to hit shots because he knew he had a low chance of forcing shots.

Kobe could have pass too, but he knew no double team can stop him, so he kelp at it. If LeBron force is shots the Cavs might have lost. Kobe offense was so strong that the other team just gave in to his will power.

[doozyj]

Here is some even quicker Bron vs. Kobe Math

LBJ Rings=0
Kobe=3

/thread.

[Sedale Threatt]

Notching 10 assists while you're scoring 52 points is a phenomenally productive evening. That simply can't be marginalized.

Otherwise,

Kobe -- sets the arena scoring record in the mecca of basketball.
LBJ -- notched the first 50-point triple double since Kareem in 1975.

How you pick one over the other is totally beyond me. I don't think you can, frankly.

[LoveThemCavs]

Congrats on beating Boston tonight first. Great game.

It's kind of annoying that most fans can't enjoy performances of other players not on their favorite team. LeBron and Kobe, I think we all know they're in a league of their own. Both had games that I'm not sure any other player in today's game can match this season. Wade might be the only one with a chance to do it. Looking forward to your team coming to Cleveland on Sunday.

[B_Y_N_U_M]

Notching 10 assists while you're scoring 52 points is a phenomenally productive evening. That simply can't be marginalized.

Otherwise,

Kobe -- sets the arena scoring record in the mecca of basketball.
LBJ -- notched the first 50-point triple double since Kareem in 1975.

How you pick one over the other is totally beyond me. I don't think you can, frankly.

I agree with you.........100%

I will say this though, I am not sure we should be like everyone else and make this a KOBE against Lebron game like everyone is going to.....................this is gonna be LAKERs vs CAVs........yeah the 2 best players in the NBA will be playing. But we need a solid team effort to break their 20 game or 21 game home win streak .....however long it is. This is gonna be hyped Kobe vs Lebron, but I personally dont wanna hear all that Jazzzzzzzzzz.......................LA will win this by a total team effort and it should be discussed as such. Just my opinion.

[LLcoleJ]

I am not a fan of this thread. I dont see the need to compare these games as they dont mean anything in the grand scheme of things.

I will hope we dont get caught up in a ... Kobe is this.. Lebron is that type thread. If we do, we will have to lock it up.

Appreciate the greatness these 2 players are showing.

[B_Y_N_U_M]

I am not a fan of this thread. I dont see the need to compare these games as they dont mean anything in the grand scheme of things.

I will hope we dont get caught up in a ... Kobe is this.. Lebron is that type thread. If we do, we will have to lock it up.

Appreciate the greatness these 2 players are showing.

I am pretty sure that is what I stated in my post....................ummmmmmmmmm yeah. Pretty sure I did.........well except for the locking part.

[LLcoleJ]

I am not a fan of this thread. I dont see the need to compare these games as they dont mean anything in the grand scheme of things.

I will hope we dont get caught up in a ... Kobe is this.. Lebron is that type thread. If we do, we will have to lock it up.

Appreciate the greatness these 2 players are showing.

I am pretty sure that is what I stated in my post....................ummmmmmmmmm yeah. Pretty sure I did.........well except for the locking part.

whats your point?

[supaflash]

Whoa! I definitely appreciate both games, what Lebron did was insane, I'm just sayin Kobe's might have been just a bit better Its just a response to Spike Lee's statement and a couple articles I saw. Raw stats never quite tell the whole story (one reason why I hate how Hollinger can't see past them at all)

I'm also trying to point out that its wrong for people to get on Kobe for only scoring when they don't really understand the whole picture. People always think that a lot of assists was better for the team but not necessarily. Kobe's solo scoring spree since it was so efficient and in such a good flow with the offense and game seemed to help the team flow more then Bron dominating the ball.

Its all in fun, I love watching both these guys, such truly special athletes. Its funny though I am going to throw out a quick comparison... to Jordan for both guys

Bron has always reminded me of Jordan in his first 4-5 years. Simply, bigger, faster and more athletic then anyone at his position at the time. His outside shot wasn't the greatest or most consistent, and his game wasn't as refined, but no one could stop him getting to the rim and finishing over and around everyone. He dominated from the point of attack getting lots of assists and rebounds along the way. Kobe on the other hand has always reminded me of Jordan in his later years, better shot, expert at picking his spots on the floor and in the triangle. His touch and skill was unmatched and he began to trust his teammates more, picking his spots to take over and always owning the late 4th quarter.

Trust me, I appreciate both guys, but right now Bron may be the king, but Kobe is the emperor.

[DubaLakers]

Actually Lebron only pulled down 9 boards, he got miscredit for one. I gotta see if I can find the vid now. It's funny. It's on Yahoo, "the ball doesn't Lie" segment. That JP Skeets guy's page.

[wizardg]

Notching 10 assists while you're scoring 52 points is a phenomenally productive evening. That simply can't be marginalized.

Otherwise,

Kobe -- sets the arena scoring record in the mecca of basketball.
LBJ -- notched the first 50-point triple double since Kareem in 1975.

How you pick one over the other is totally beyond me. I don't think you can, frankly.

How? You can't be a LAker fan. lol

Great games on both fronts.

[Gremlin]

Both players had incredible games, but if Kobe had played nearly the whole game like LeBron, rather than just 35 minutes he could have dropped another 80+ game

[ronnymac2]

They both were awesome. Those poor Knicks were helpless. It was basically Lebron vs. Kobe, playing a competitive game of "Who can dominate the Knicks more?" for public viewing.

[hermes]

Here is some even quicker Bron vs. Kobe Math

LBJ Rings=0
Kobe=3

/thread.

i like it simple and easy to remember


but seriously math?? heck with that

[magic1fan]

Both players had incredible games, but if Kobe had played nearly the whole game like LeBron, rather than just 35 minutes he could have dropped another 80+ game

see that's the thing i think alot ofpeople are not taking into consideration. kobe basically played three quarters of ball. think of how insane it would have been if he had played 44 minutes like lebron?

[hermes]

the triple double has been removed! (wiretap)

so it's obvious now, kobe's was the better game

[Gus McCrae]

I don't think Phil Jackson will allow Kobe to rack up stats the way Lebron can. What's his name, Mike Brown?, the Cavs coach will let Lebron do whatever he wants (as he should, Lebron IS the Cleveland Cavaliers.) Phil will sit Kobe more often.

As stated a million times, they're different systems and anybody that discredits either game is just hating. I'm probably screwing up the stats now, but scoring as much as they did, shooting at 60% +, why would they stop scoring?

[The Skyhook]

I wish Kobe played the full game. At his pace it could have been going to a 75+ point game.