Simmons(theCelticfanboy) says Bosh for Bynum Deal is Done?

[Gerald3Wallace]

You know that there are a lot of rumors about Bosh having knee issues. A poster on the Raps board also said that there was a max deal on the table but was suddenly pulled off when the team learned of Bosh's knees getting worse. Some fans are saying that it won't even matter if they got Bynum and his "bad knees" because Bosh's knees are getting bad.

at the end of the day...Bosh's knees > Bynum's knees

Bosh > bynum

[Rapsobsessed7]

You know that there are a lot of rumors about Bosh having knee issues. A poster on the Raps board also said that there was a max deal on the table but was suddenly pulled off when the team learned of Bosh's knees getting worse. Some fans are saying that it won't even matter if they got Bynum and his "bad knees" because Bosh's knees are getting bad.

the speculation is that when Bosh was hurt vs the Grizzles he actually hurt his knee not his ankle like we were informed. He missed 2-3 weeks i cant remember the exact time frame but he missed time and people were wondering why he missed all this time if it was just his ankle.

the poster who posted the rumor about Bosh having bad knees was infact PM'd and his source was proved wrong. Not only by Toronto mods but by Chicago and Miami mods as well.

Example:

Re: Rumor: Bosh with degenerative knee condition?

New postby BrooklynBulls on Wed May 05, 2010 8:59 pm
This story is fabricated. The user will be disciplined for spreading false rumors. Lock if you'd like, Miami mods...

The poster (Acer) asked the Mods to delete the information so he wouldnt get in trouble from his source but then he continued spreading the rumor in other threads so it didnt add up.

So hope that clears it up, regardless though even if it was true Bosh would have to pass a medial examination first before the S&T so it could take place so you shouldnt worry about any knee problem. If he does have it, you wont be getting him because he wont pass the examination, if he doesnt have it you might get him and he will be at full strength. Either way win win, right?

[DEEP3CL]

We don't need Bosh at all.......wish you Raptor fans just realize this isn't going to happen. If it did I'm sorry but in all my years of watching ball this trade would be the absolute worse the Lakers could ever make. In reality they'd be DONE period.

The Lakers don't need Bosh.

[Slava]

I don't like this trade at all. I was one of the posters most frustrated by Bynum's health and inconsistencies during the regular season but he's definitely turned a corner off late in terms of activity and tacking responsibility for rebounding and defense.

There's a reason LO isn't averaging the same monster rebounds he used and that's because our two starting bigs have made it a mission to grab every fking board out there. When Drew plays with the kind of activity while providing help defense, we are the most intimidating team in the league and the number of 2nd chance points we've been getting is absolutely ridiculous even while playing against undersized big men.

Bynum with this activity and his skill level could be the 3rd best center in this league behind a healthy Yao and d12 and easily the 2nd best offensive center behind Yao. He could well average 22/10 being in Bosh's situation in Toronto so I think we'll take a step back as a team even while adding Bosh at the expense of Drew.

Drew's development makes us the only contender who can grow internally and just knowing that he is only 22 years old makes me very happy as a fan. Remembering that an all star like Jermaine O'neal only broke out at this age, Drew could be so much more than that.

[Jajwanda]

It's purely health that drives this. Nothing else.

Also averaging 51% as a so-called jump shooter on a terrible team is quite impressive. I can only imagine how high those numbers can go playing in the triangle with open shots all day.

[Esohny]

Simmons is a moron. That is all.

[The Skyhook]

It's purely health that drives this. Nothing else.

Also averaging 51% as a so-called jump shooter on a terrible team is quite impressive. I can only imagine how high those numbers can go playing in the triangle with open shots all day.

Exactly. If Bynum weren't hurt then people would be saying hes worth the money and all because he would be putting up phenomenal numbers. That numbers hes putting up now are still awesome for a 3rd option.

[Mamba Venom]

Do you think MItch is concerned about getting a PF when we have LO & Gasol locked up for the next 3 season.

I think Mitch is trying to get us a PG.

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[Jakay]

I just don't think it's a good deal for the Lakers myself. Unless behind the scenes it's a Pau or Drew situation, which does happen.

I think it's a total fabrication though. Also, Bosh has said, explicitly, he wants to be the man on his team. Make no bones about that. Maybe he wants to go LA as well, but he has said that nonetheless.

Giving up Bynum would mean getting Jack or Calderon though, almost without question. I'd say more likely Jose, who I've always thought would be good in this offense, but Jack is a better defender.

Still... I don't see it.

[Magicontinues]

We don't need Bosh at all.......wish you Raptor fans just realize this isn't going to happen. If it did I'm sorry but in all my years of watching ball this trade would be the absolute worse the Lakers could ever make. In reality they'd be DONE period.

The Lakers don't need Bosh.

By getting a 24 and 11 one of the top big men in the game we'd be "done" ridiculous comment

[El Hardee]

Since the day the Bynum nut riding wagon left the station I have disliked him, but no way I do Bynum for Bosh. Bosh is way too soft for my taste, he puts up big #'s but no thanks. I'd rather holla at Chicago to make deal.

[Dr Aki]

We don't need Bosh at all.......wish you Raptor fans just realize this isn't going to happen. If it did I'm sorry but in all my years of watching ball this trade would be the absolute worse the Lakers could ever make. In reality they'd be DONE period.

The Lakers don't need Bosh.

By getting a 24 and 11 one of the top big men in the game we'd be "done" ridiculous comment

agree and disagree

theres only 1 basketball on the court. lakers have TOO much talent in the starting 5. how else has artest been turned into a virtual spot-up shooter for large periods?

bynum is what we need. bosh is not. if bosh arrived, either he, or gasol would end up being glorified, overpaid role players that put up middling numbers. and he isnt going to earn his pay playing defense

i agree that the lakers won't be done. but its still a further skewing of team balance towards offense away from defense.

by now, we all should know its not bynum thats the problem, its fish and the PG position

[Patterns]

We don't need Bosh at all.......wish you Raptor fans just realize this isn't going to happen. If it did I'm sorry but in all my years of watching ball this trade would be the absolute worse the Lakers could ever make. In reality they'd be DONE period.

The Lakers don't need Bosh.

By getting a 24 and 11 one of the top big men in the game we'd be "done" ridiculous comment

agree and disagree

theres only 1 basketball on the court. lakers have TOO much talent in the starting 5. how else has artest been turned into a virtual spot-up shooter for large periods?

bynum is what we need. bosh is not. if bosh arrived, either he, or gasol would end up being glorified, overpaid role players that put up middling numbers. and he isnt going to earn his pay playing defense

i agree that the lakers won't be done. but its still a further skewing of team balance towards offense away from defense.

by now, we all should know its not bynum thats the problem, its fish and the PG position

Bynum and Fish are the problems. Specifically, Bynum and Pau are problems when they have to play together. That's why it's Odom and Pau to finish games for spacing for Kobe.

We can't continue to rely on Odom and Pau finishing games and have our $16 million star C sitting on the bench.

[The_Trade_Seer]

I think the main thing to understand is that the lakers are the ONLY team that has the stuff to make a deal happen for Bosh. The Raps aren't interested in the garbage other teams will throw at them and are drooling at the thought of putting Bynum next to Bargnani.

However, this does not mean the Lakers will end up with Bosh, merely that we will be involved if Bosh is moved by the Raptors.

What does that mean? it means we could "flip" Bish for whatever we want!

We trade Bynum and Sasha to the Raps for Bosh (and maybe even Jack if we want him or their lottery pick if they are willing to do that) and than flip Bosh to:

Bulls for Hinrich, Noah and James Johnson

Knicks for Lee and Wilson Chandler

Nets for lottery pick (if not #1) or if the Nets land Wall, Devin Harris, Yi Jianlin and late 1st round pick

Thunder for multiple #1 picks, Collison and Kristic or maybe even Jeff Green

Heat for Beasley, Cook, Chalmers, #1 pick and a re-signed JO

Mavs (in this case we'd throw in Luke Walton) for Dirk

[Jajwanda]

I still can't see how the Bynum-Gasol front court is supposed to be better than Bosh-Gasol defensively.

1. The Bosh-Gasol front court is versatile, it's fast and the type of post up big men who would have major success against it are pretty much gone and out of the league. Duncan is a shell of his former self, Shaq will be gone, and Howard is the only post-up threat that you truly have to fear. Any other post-up big man will struggle to stop Bosh-Gasol on the other end.
2. Shot-blocking yes is in Bynum's favor no doubt. However, Gasol is a better shot-blocker at the C position and Bosh is a better weak-side shot-blocker than Gasol due to his speed. Together they will almost be as effective, not quite but almost.

You lose some shot-blocking while you gain speed, help defense.

Offensively IT'S A WORLD of difference. The front court with Bosh's jumper and dribble-drive ability is flat out devastating. Kobe and Artest will be far more effective, posting up at will on smaller, weaker players.

Not to mention that Jarret Jack is an improvement on Fisher. Overall we'd be just as solid defensively, but we will reclaim that offensive edge that we had two years ago before the Boston series. We lost to Boston because Vladimir Radmanovic was guarding a then exceptional Paul Pierce, we lost because our bench was destroyed by Boston, and to further the point there's a world of difference in talent between Chris Bosh and Lamar Odom.

PG- Jarret Jack
SG- Kobe Bryant
SF- Ron Artest,
PF- Chris Bosh, Lamar Odom, Josh Powell
C- Pau Gasol, perhaps a veteran MLE signing as a backup, a true defensive C

Not to mention possible health reasons. I'm not saying Bosh is this rock of health, but Bynum scares the heck out of me.

[Dr Aki]

man, i really wish we made a deal for a quality point guard at the deadline

that way, we'd have enough information by now to see if its fish alone, or its fish AND bynum.

im still with the "our offensive troubles stem from poor outside shooting" camp and the "stick with bynum" camp at this stage.