LeBron VS. Kobe: There's no comparison

[kobethegoat]

To this topic, DUH

4 rings vs 0 rings

[Mamba Venom]

The only thing I'm not happy about is Kobe thrives when people think he is 2nd best.

Kobe shouldnt be on top until after another win. Stay pissed Mamba. An angry Mamba wins the title. A happy Mamba comes up just short.

[Optms]

Coaches and teammates have more to do with a players 'greatness' than vengeance. Lebron is still the best player in the NBA. The overreaction to his last few games have been nothing short of shocking.

I disagree. Considering Cleveland is the consensus favorite to win it all, were the heavily favorite to beat Boston with supposedly the best player on the planet, no. The spot light is justifiable to the caliber of team everyone believes they are. To lose at home the way they've lost is simply inexcusable for any playoff team, let alone one of their magnitude.

Hence Coach and players help define a players greatness.


People are ripping Lebron for this or that but his numbers in this series against the Celtics are better than a majority of Kobe's playoff series. That is how good this guy is. Lebron has plenty of time to win. He is in his 7th season. Jordan didn't win his first until his 7th season. Shaq didn't win his first until his 8th season. Until Lebron can get a decent coach and teammates, it is Kobe time.

Wow, did you seriously mention numbers?

Okay, so James stat line at the end of the series isn't exactly horrid by most standards, but you expect us to walk away from this series and look only at his numbers and give him the same exact excuses everyone handed him last year? No, because there is more to the game then just numbers. I guess you can make an argument he was there for a few games. Had a couple good games early in the series which he did show and sort of resembled a leader, even coming out like a cannon for game 3 but only to half ass in his own building proceeding that. I disregard numbers when looking at this series or any series he's lost in the last couple of seasons. Looking at the boxscore and stat sheet are one thing but they don't define what actually transacted in the series at all.

Furthermore, as far as numbers go, the comparisons can be made. Beyond that, don't mention this guy's name with Jordan's until he's earned it. You believe it was the coaching staff and players around him that spelled the demise for Cleveland, I blame the entire team, and James is no exception. Hell, he is the leader of that team, all the blame rightfully so should befall his shoulders. No excuses.

[JimMurray]

Coaches and teammates have more to do with a players 'greatness' than vengeance. Lebron is still the best player in the NBA. The overreaction to his last few games have been nothing short of shocking.

Lebron led teams are great in the regular season...but you can't be that loose, that unfocused in the playoffs. He had the keys to the best team in the league two years in a row and couldn't even muster a finals appearance. Call me crazy, but Lebron has been exposed. He's not a leader. Give me Kobe in the playoffs over Lebron every time. At the very least, you know Kobe's teams are coming to play.

Eff photo shoots...
Eff dancing on the court....
Eff clowning around during the games....

Keep your game face on or GTFO. Those are Kobe's teams to a T. It's the main reason he and Shaq didn't get along, and it's the main reason he's poised to claim his 5th ring this year.

[fareweatherfan]

I would like to formally welcome back all of the flip-floppers to this board. We realize you will come back now because Kobe has once again proven to the fickle believers that he is the BEST BASKETBALL PLAYER IN THE WORLD and the heir apparent has dismally crashed and burned.

We are a passionate, but forgiving, fanbase, and you may reclaim your seat on the bandwagon.

[BallAboveAll]

Personally I'm tired with the whole Bron v. KB talk. All I know is that I'd rather have Kobe. Simple as that becuase I know Kobe will lay it all on the line. And I've seen him throughout his whole career play hard, fierce, and competitive which is all you can ask at the end of the day. And regardless of what happens this year I've gained more repsect since he's played most of the season battered and worn down.

[daddyfivestar]

Once there is 10 yrs played and at least 1 ring... then the comparison can begin.

[magic1fan]

look lebron is a great player but for my tastes kobe has always been better. alot of people look at stats and say well add that to the fact the he can jump higher and he must be the better player. not me. lebron looks like the type of guy that is more worried about his stats then his team winning. lebron does put up ice video game numbers but i would rather have the guy with great stats and a ring than just off the chart stats and at home watching the finals.

[stu_sutcliffe]

where was kobe when the celtics came back from a 25 pt hole or whatever it was in game 4 of the finals? didn't see the mvp step up there.

kobe didn't quit in game 7 vs suns? lol...8-13 24pts 1st half, right? 0-3 0pts 2nd half lol. nice

kobe fans

[magic1fan]

where was kobe when the celtics came back from a 25 pt hole or whatever it was in game 4 of the finals? didn't see the mvp step up there.

kobe didn't quit in game 7 vs suns? lol...8-13 24pts 1st half, right? 0-3 0pts 2nd half lol. nice

kobe fans

lol i knew it was just a matter of time before you come in and try to put down kobe for lebron. fact is only idiot's who follow barkley believe kobe quit in game 7 against the suns. it is widely known that phil went to kobe and told him to scale back his shooting. despite kobe being 8-13 we were still down 15! lying to make excuses for lebron don't change reality.

the game against boston was bad,no excuse.

the only difference is when kobe asked for help he went to two finals and won a ring. lebron asked for help got it and has lost to two lower seeds back to back seasons. sooner or later people are going to have to call it what it is. lebron quit in game 5 and put up a stinker in game 6.

lol at lebron fans i guess they just can't handle the truth. lebron might be a great second option somehwere next year...lol

[stu_sutcliffe]

where was kobe when the celtics came back from a 25 pt hole or whatever it was in game 4 of the finals? didn't see the mvp step up there.

kobe didn't quit in game 7 vs suns? lol...8-13 24pts 1st half, right? 0-3 0pts 2nd half lol. nice

kobe fans

lol i knew it was just a matter of time before you come in and try to put down kobe for lebron. fact is only idiot's who follow barkley believe kobe quit in game 7 against the suns. it is widely known that phil went to kobe and told him to scale back his shooting. despite kobe being 8-13 we were still down 15! lying to make excuses for lebron don't change reality.

the game against boston was bad,no excuse.

the only difference is when kobe asked for help he went to two finals and won a ring. lebron asked for help got it and has lost to two lower seeds back to back seasons. sooner or later people are going to have to call it what it is. lebron quit in game 5 and put up a stinker in game 6.

lol at lebron fans i guess they just can't handle the truth. lebron might be a great second option somehwere next yr...lol

where was kobe game 4 of the NBA FINALS? you ignored that one, buddy.

kobe stopped shooting game 7 for his own selfish reasons, we've seen it before...he quit.

[snaquille oatmeal]

where was kobe game 4 of the NBA FINALS? you ignored that one, buddy.

kobe stopped shooting game 7 for his own selfish reasons, we've seen it before...he quit.

what exactly were those selfish reasons? that he thought Kwame, Walton, Evans, Cook, Smush, and 18 year old Bynum were not good enough and the Lakers needed to upgrade? how selfish of him and me because I thought the same thing. what did Kobe have to gain for himself only that was so selfish other than ask his own way what we were all screaming for? please refresh my memory.

[stu_sutcliffe]

where was kobe game 4 of the NBA FINALS? you ignored that one, buddy.

kobe stopped shooting game 7 for his own selfish reasons, we've seen it before...he quit.

what exactly were those selfish reasons? that he thought Kwame, Walton, Evans, Cook, Smush, and 18 year old Bynum were not good enough and the Lakers needed to upgrade? how selfish of him and me because I thought the same thing. what did Kobe have to gain for himself only that was so selfish other than ask his own way what we were all screaming for? please refresh my memory.

you forgot odom...

he was 8-13 with 24pts in the 1st half, 0-3 0pts in the 2nd half...yes they were down 15 still, but what will not shooting help? its not like he started playing lock down D in the 2nd half. he wanted everyone to see how bbad the team was as if we didn't already know. he should have played the 2nd half the way he played the 1st..and then once the season was over he could have asked management to make some moves the right way.

why do u think he stopped shooting?

[mike-]

Why do you think Kobe stopped shooting in the second half of game 4 in that same series? No one complained then. The lakers were playing team basketball and got themselves back into the game. (which they did the vast majority of the phoenix series, which no one really expected.. Remember all the analysts predicting kobe to break scoring records only for the lakers to come out and attack the suns in the post?)

The lakers weren't going to get back in the game against the suns by having kobe shoot a ton in the second half. They needed to get everyone involved to have a chance, and it didn't happen. If Kobe would have came out in the second half shooting he would have just been criticized for not getting his teammates involved to win the game or he was just playing to get his stats up.

[stu_sutcliffe]

where was kobe game 4 of the NBA FINALS? you ignored that one, buddy.

kobe stopped shooting game 7 for his own selfish reasons, we've seen it before...he quit.

what exactly were those selfish reasons? that he thought Kwame, Walton, Evans, Cook, Smush, and 18 year old Bynum were not good enough and the Lakers needed to upgrade? how selfish of him and me because I thought the same thing. what did Kobe have to gain for himself only that was so selfish other than ask his own way what we were all screaming for? please refresh my memory.

you forgot odom...

he was 8-13 with 24pts in the 1st half, 0-3 0pts in the 2nd half...yes they were down 15 still, but what will not shooting help? its not like he started playing lock down D in the 2nd half. he wanted everyone to see how bbad the team was as if we didn't already know. he should have played the 2nd half the way he played the 1st..and then once the season was over he could have asked management to make some moves the right way.

why do u think he stopped shooting?

[magic1fan]

lol come on stu did you not read in my post where i said game four was bad and there was no excuse? sorry buddy but you are fighting a losing battle. it is well documented that phil asked kobe to stop shooting. now you can use that as an excuse to try and dog kobe all you want but like i said it doesn't change the facts are the reality.

now as far as you bringing odom into the conversation come on now. you mean the same odom who missed a rebound and was the primary reason we had to go to a game 7?


like i said earlier kobe asked for help got it and went to two finals,on his way to three while winning one last year and more than likely this year too.

lebron is playing with four current or former all stars. he had the coach of the last year along with a deep team and the best regular season record going on two years in a row. everyone was raving about how they beat all the good teams this year like us,boston,and the magic. yet when it counted most lebron shrunk! he is slowly but surely taking dirk's place as the league's biggest choker. it is one thing to lose but to continue to lose to lower seeds is choking period! he is 25 but his window is going to start closing after next season. once kobe and pau get completely healthy the lakers will be good for atleast another 2-3 years. you have durant,.wade,melo,howard,and rose. if lebron doesn't start winning soon he will be right next to his biggest cheer leader(barkley) soon doing tnt inside the nba.