Wiretap - Bosh includes Lakers on his shortlist of 5 teams

[Jajwanda]

Ok, trade Bynum... I'm done too...

But for Bosh?

For twin-towers to work, one has to be the scoring threat, and one has to be a defensive specialist...

Sampson/Olajuwon, Duncan/Robinson, etc...

Both score, but one is the physical presence inside and the other is the scorer.

Bosh-Pau-Odom would be a scoring trio, who would be standing around looking at each other on D.

No matter what kind of PG talent comes back with Bosh, it just doesn't seem like a Pau-Bosh pairing would work on paper.

He averages a little over a block and around 10 rebounds a game. Understanding that if he played with Gasol, his rebounds are going down, what's the logic behind acquiring Bosh?

Pau's stats are similar but better across the board.

Since when does one have to be a this or a that? They're both all-around players. I think you'll be surprised just how effective a player Bosh can be as a PF next to Pau defensively.

The game has changed. Monster PF post-up threats don't exist, they just don't. There are two Cs in the league capable of posting up Pau and that's a beat up Yao who we'll pick-and-roll to death and Dwight Howard who gets Bynum in foul trouble regardless.

Formulas change. Teams change.

PG- Jack
SG- Bryant
SF- Artest
PF- Bosh
C- Gasol

Is an extremely effective team and what's a bonus is that Pau can bulk if he prefers to knowing that his minutes will be at C likely for the rest of his career. Eventually the man is going to slow and with these high-flying PFs like Derrick Favors coming into the league he's not going to be a PF for very long. He won't be able to keep up effectively.

[Kilroy]

Effective offensively... Not Defensively and maybe not so effective offensively in a set, half-court offense like the Triangle...

Centers are coming back and on every effective team with a top tier PF, they usually have a decent big C to fill the paint and help change shots.

Cleveland has Shaq/Ilgauskas to their Varajao/James
Boston has Perkins/Baby to their KG/Sheed
Dallas has Dampier/Haywood to their Dirk/Thomas
Orlando has Gortat/Foyle/Howard/Anderson... Take your pick...
Portland has Oden/Przybilla to their JHoward/Aldrige/Camby...

Teams without big centers at least have a bunch of physical PFs to throw at us like Denver...

Do you really want Gasol playing any of those Centers in the paint? I think he could score on them but they already push him around on Defense... And without Bynum, we really have no one to push back.

Without Bynum leaning on Howard last year in the finals, it would have been a much longer series.

Gasol is more comfortable playing a F/C role facing the basket. He doesn't respond well to the physical game.

The idea that he could 'bulk up' and play physical center sounds like tunnel vision to me.

[Gerald3Wallace]

^bynum was only playing like 15mpg in last years finals, and he was rather ineffective too..with gasol guarding howard majority of the time.

[Kilroy]

^bynum was only playing like 15mpg in last years finals, and he was rather ineffective too..with gasol guarding howard majority of the time.

In at least two of the wins Bynum was credited with 'doing a really good job on howard.'

He didn't play a lot, but he set the tone on defense.

What I noticed was that when Bynum was in the game he wasn't trying to drive to the basket, he was settling for jump shots.

But I'm not arguing to keep Bynum, I just question the idea that Bosh is a perfect fit.

[Jajwanda]

"Cleveland has Shaq/Ilgauskas to their Varajao/James
Boston has Perkins/Baby to their KG/Sheed
Dallas has Dampier/Haywood to their Dirk/Thomas
Orlando has Gortat/Foyle/Howard/Anderson... Take your pick...
Portland has Oden/Przybilla to their JHoward/Aldrige/Camby..."

Which furthers our point that Gasol can play C.....

Shaq is gone in a year. I'm not game-planning for that fat ass who by the way would get pick-and-rolled to death by Gasol. Perkins? I'm game-planning for him? No. Dampier/Haywood?

There's one C in that list I'd even fear putting Gasol against and that's Dwight Howard. Gasol can post up or attack face-up against almost any C in the game. He can play two spots on the floor, take advantage of his match-up however he chooses. Offensively whether in the fast break or in the half-court that lineup is unbelievable. Simply unbelievable and it's seamless.

Redundancy? Gasol is not Bosh. Bosh is not Gasol. They have very different offensive games, different range on their jumper, different abilities in every sense.

The reason Jackson wants Bosh so badly isn't just because of Bynum's injuries. They know just how effective he'd be playing with Kobe.

[The Skyhook]

Hedo wants out. Him wanting out could give Toronto leverage in any S&T involving Bosh.

[Magicontinues]

Hedo wants out. Him wanting out could give Toronto leverage in any S&T involving Bosh.

Huh? How so?

[The Skyhook]

Hedo wants out. Him wanting out could give Toronto leverage in any S&T involving Bosh.

Huh? How so?

Well they could say if you want Bosh you need to take Hedo and his horrible contract.

[dockingsched]

they can say that all they want, lol. i'm sure they would have been thrilled to get rid of hedo even before he said anything anyway.

[snaquille oatmeal]

irony of all ironies, Hedo to Magic for Carter.

[Patterns]

Hedo wants out. Him wanting out could give Toronto leverage in any S&T involving Bosh.

Huh? How so?

Well they could say if you want Bosh you need to take Hedo and his horrible contract.

No one will be stupid enough to take 30 million salary each year for 2 non-superstar players and give out talent in return. Bosh isn't Lebron.

[frozt]

i think pj is high.

[fongie24]

yeah, dont think theyre going to be able to package hedo and bosh.. they will probably end up doing separate deals for them. bosh has made it clear that he wants to do a sign n trade so toronto gets SOMETHING for him instead of just letting him walk.. and given hedo's sub par performance this year, im not sure they will be able to get for him. especially with his new contract. but the whole bosh to LA speculation is getting a lot of hype and definitely would mix things up for us. if that were to happen we would need a back up bruiser type of guy to hold down the middle and a shooter.. might be able to get that done via MLE. i think we would be pretty set if we did that.

[KingLakers]

I've never understood these rumors I keep hearing about Bosh to the Lakers he is a PF we already have a PF in Pau he's not a very good C which is where he'll be moved if the Lakers bring in Bosh. If the Lakers want Bosh wouldn't it be better to trade Pau for him which I personally don't want to happen.

[Jajwanda]

Pau is probably the 2nd best C in the league when he plays C, soft or not soft.

[fongie24]

we would move pau to the center position and play bosh at the four. pau has shown he can hold his own playing the five and he is often still playing center for us now. thats why we would bring in a big bruiser type of center to back up pau with the MLE

[dockingsched]

today's chat

Craig (PA)

Chad, rumors are flying that no matter what the outcome of the finals Bosh will be a S+T to the Lakers for Bynum. If true, have the Lakers just grown tired of the injuries or does Bosh elevate LA to another level?


Chad Ford
(1:18 PM)

As I wrote last week, they almost had a deal in February. So it makes a lot of sense from the Raptors and Lakers stand point. Bosh is an upgrade over Bynum given Bynum's injury history. And Bynum is the best talent the Raptors are going to get in a sign-and-trade. The thing I don't know ... does Bosh prefer the Lakers to the Bulls, Heat or Knicks?

[LApwnd]

we would move pau to the center position and play bosh at the four. pau has shown he can hold his own playing the five and he is often still playing center for us now. thats why we would bring in a big bruiser type of center to back up pau with the MLE

Pau at C makes the offense more efficient, Bynum can't pass and is horrid at getting anything done when doubled, he doesnt look for cutters he jsut takes the easy pass and sends it back to the guy standing at the 3pt line when shot clock is running down. Only issue is interior defense but what we lack we gain in mobility with Bosh to defend PnR better. Bynum was never much of a intimatdator anyways, you guys see it with your own eyes how often he gives up 3pt plays, guy can't even foul right.

[fongie24]

pau at center will without a doubt create more assists from the center position than with bynum, especially since bosh and lamar will be cutting through the lane consistantly. i think this line up would be fine as long as we got a defensive minded center as a back up that could come in and give solid minutes.. with some decent back up bigs, the more offensive minded starting five would flourish imo.

[rugby-hook]

LA should not trade Bynum; he is simply to big, athletic and mobile to give up on. Defensively, LA funnels the ball to the pivot and Bynum's presence alters shots and makes the other team a jump-shooting team. it also makes Gasol and others better defensively. Bosh cannot do the same things that Bynum does. He is simply not the presence, cannot take the beating nor dish out the punishment needed to win. When comparing 2008 to 2009, the 15 minutes of Bynum changed the series because it made orl do something differently and made Howard work differently. Compare Bynum's impact against Phoenix and game 1 Boston. In a slower game, Bynum is essential.

The only reason this is unders consideration is Bynum's bad luck with injuries. He will outgrow them. He is 22, which makes him a senior in college. When you grow as fast and as much as he has, his bones are soft and muscles stretched to keep up with a constantly changing form. Centers are always injury prone-early, but have longer careers. Look at Okafor; cam out as a senior and played 165+ games his first 3 years. He had back and knee trouble and backs are worse than knees. He has played every game for the next 3 years. Dirk had injuries and grew out of them as well. it is to beexpected especially since Bynum came into the league younger than most. Shaq had issues as well.

On pure talent, Bosh may have a greater career. he is a scorer and a #1 option. He won't do this in LA with Kobe and Gasol. Bynum is a rebounder, defender and presence. He will becoem a scorer at age 25-26 and will play for another 15 years. His agent is a putz, but the most CBA will take away most his antics.